When you eventually jump off of the Trump train, which will be your next train?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/us/po...pence.html

They all think quite highly of themselves. Which is pretty amazing for people with such low approval ratings who have proven they can't govern.



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Count me as one who has a huge man-crush on Ben Sasse. I would love for him to run in 2020.

The problem, perversely, is that the media and progressive criticism of Trump is so over-the-top delusional that the American electorate will instinctively rally around him in in 2020. Solid alternatives, such as Sasse, Cotton, Haley, Scott, or even Pence, will be sidelined, and we will yet again be stuck with another four years of an ego-centric, incompetent president.

After 8 years of Obama, I don't know if this nation can survive more than 4 years of Trump. I hope I am wrong.

(08-06-2017 05:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Count me as one who has a huge man-crush on Ben Sasse. I would love for him to run in 2020.

The problem, perversely, is that the media and progressive criticism of Trump is so over-the-top delusional that the American electorate will instinctively rally around him in in 2020. Solid alternatives, such as Sasse, Cotton, Haley, Scott, or even Pence, will be sidelined, and we will yet again be stuck with another four years of an ego-centric, incompetent president.

After 8 years of Obama, I don't know if this nation can survive more than 4 years of Trump. I hope I am wrong.

So Trump's action deserve no criticism?

(08-06-2017 06:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 05:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Count me as one who has a huge man-crush on Ben Sasse. I would love for him to run in 2020.

The problem, perversely, is that the media and progressive criticism of Trump is so over-the-top delusional that the American electorate will instinctively rally around him in in 2020. Solid alternatives, such as Sasse, Cotton, Haley, Scott, or even Pence, will be sidelined, and we will yet again be stuck with another four years of an ego-centric, incompetent president.

After 8 years of Obama, I don't know if this nation can survive more than 4 years of Trump. I hope I am wrong.

So Trump's action deserve no criticism?

Thank you for illustrating my point, swag.

That a right-leaning poster would prefer someone other than first-term President Trump to be the Republican candidate in 2020 would, for most logical thinkers, be an indication dissatisfaction.

But not for the progressive mind. It apparently does not count as criticism unless we are all wearing ****** hats, threatening to burn down the white house, blocking highways in support for those who slander police and labeling anyone who disagrees with us as white supremacists. That's progressive logic for you.

And the result will be another term of Trump.

Congratulations.

(08-05-2017 08:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They all think quite highly of themselves. Which is pretty amazing for people with such low approval ratings who have proven they can't govern.



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Yep.

(08-06-2017 06:51 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 06:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 05:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Count me as one who has a huge man-crush on Ben Sasse. I would love for him to run in 2020.

The problem, perversely, is that the media and progressive criticism of Trump is so over-the-top delusional that the American electorate will instinctively rally around him in in 2020. Solid alternatives, such as Sasse, Cotton, Haley, Scott, or even Pence, will be sidelined, and we will yet again be stuck with another four years of an ego-centric, incompetent president.

After 8 years of Obama, I don't know if this nation can survive more than 4 years of Trump. I hope I am wrong.

So Trump's action deserve no criticism?

Thank you for illustrating my point, swag.

That a right-leaning poster would prefer someone other than first-term President Trump to be the Republican candidate in 2020 would, for most logical thinkers, be an indication dissatisfaction.

But not for the progressive mind. It apparently does not count as criticism unless we are all wearing ****** hats, threatening to burn down the white house, blocking highways in support for those who slander police and labeling anyone who disagrees with us as white supremacists. That's progressive logic for you.

And the result will be another term of Trump.

Congratulations.

That's a small group of people that act in this manner.

(08-06-2017 07:35 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 06:51 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 06:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 05:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Count me as one who has a huge man-crush on Ben Sasse. I would love for him to run in 2020.

The problem, perversely, is that the media and progressive criticism of Trump is so over-the-top delusional that the American electorate will instinctively rally around him in in 2020. Solid alternatives, such as Sasse, Cotton, Haley, Scott, or even Pence, will be sidelined, and we will yet again be stuck with another four years of an ego-centric, incompetent president.

After 8 years of Obama, I don't know if this nation can survive more than 4 years of Trump. I hope I am wrong.

So Trump's action deserve no criticism?

Thank you for illustrating my point, swag.

That a right-leaning poster would prefer someone other than first-term President Trump to be the Republican candidate in 2020 would, for most logical thinkers, be an indication dissatisfaction.

But not for the progressive mind. It apparently does not count as criticism unless we are all wearing ****** hats, threatening to burn down the white house, blocking highways in support for those who slander police and labeling anyone who disagrees with us as white supremacists. That's progressive logic for you.

And the result will be another term of Trump.

Congratulations.

That's a small group of people that act in this manner.

I fully agree.

The difference is that when a right-leaning moron acts out, the media blows it up into a full indictment of the entire conservative ideology and Republicans scurry all about trying to distance themselves from the inappropriate statements/conduct.

But when the bad behavior is from the left, but is generally crickets from the media and nothing but non sequitur statements from Democrats justifying the liberal b.s.

I'm sure you'll deny it. But that's the reality as I see it.

So is Jeff Flake, the left's newest favorite Republican planning on running for president? Or is he just trying to sell his book? He was on NBC this morning.

The two Senators who lost close races in 2016 were the two (NH and NV) who most distanced themselves from Trump. Don't see this helping his reelection. Calls it lies to say better trade deals would save jobs. Didn't seem to be offering solutions, just "Tough luck!"

How quickly people forget Clintons standing in 1994. How'd that work out?

But please, keep ignoring history.

(08-06-2017 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  How quickly people forget Clintons standing in 1994. How'd that work out?

But please, keep ignoring history.

Very fair point. But another important difference:

Bill Clinton was a slug, but he knew the political game and played it better than his opponents.

Donald Trump is a clown -- one who doesn't even try to play the political game but instead attempts to redefine the rules as applied to himself. That has worked for him so far -- first in the primaries because he benefitted from a complicit (with the Clinton campaign) media that gave the presumably weaker Trump cover long enough to knock off more credible candidates. Then second in the general election because Hillary was by far an even worse choice.

Trump no longer has those built-in advantages. Unless the progressives and the media once again manage to make Trump look like the lesser of two evils, I believe we will see a different (and better) Republican nominee in 2020.

Having said that, I'll admit to having underestimated Trump countless times already. I may very well be doing it again.

(08-06-2017 10:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  So is Jeff Flake, the left's newest favorite Republican planning on running for president? Or is he just trying to sell his book? He was on NBC this morning.

The two Senators who lost close races in 2016 were the two (NH and NV) who most distanced themselves from Trump. Don't see this helping his reelection. Calls it lies to say better trade deals would save jobs. Didn't seem to be offering solutions, just "Tough luck!"

He's running for POTUS.

(08-06-2017 08:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 07:35 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 06:51 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 06:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 05:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Count me as one who has a huge man-crush on Ben Sasse. I would love for him to run in 2020.

The problem, perversely, is that the media and progressive criticism of Trump is so over-the-top delusional that the American electorate will instinctively rally around him in in 2020. Solid alternatives, such as Sasse, Cotton, Haley, Scott, or even Pence, will be sidelined, and we will yet again be stuck with another four years of an ego-centric, incompetent president.

After 8 years of Obama, I don't know if this nation can survive more than 4 years of Trump. I hope I am wrong.

So Trump's action deserve no criticism?

Thank you for illustrating my point, swag.

That a right-leaning poster would prefer someone other than first-term President Trump to be the Republican candidate in 2020 would, for most logical thinkers, be an indication dissatisfaction.

But not for the progressive mind. It apparently does not count as criticism unless we are all wearing ****** hats, threatening to burn down the white house, blocking highways in support for those who slander police and labeling anyone who disagrees with us as white supremacists. That's progressive logic for you.

And the result will be another term of Trump.

Congratulations.

That's a small group of people that act in this manner.

I fully agree.

The difference is that when a right-leaning moron acts out, the media blows it up into a full indictment of the entire conservative ideology and Republicans scurry all about trying to distance themselves from the inappropriate statements/conduct.

But when the bad behavior is from the left, but is generally crickets from the media and nothing but non sequitur statements from Democrats justifying the liberal b.s.

I'm sure you'll deny it. But that's the reality as I see it.

Depends who "the media" is. You make good points but if "the media" is a liberal then yeah, however, I see the same on the other side if "the media" is a conservative.

I wonder in history how common is it a party is actively looking to replace their own guy 7 months into his term.

The regret coming from serious republicans is palpable.

(08-06-2017 10:54 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  I wonder in history how common is it a party is actively looking to replace their own guy 7 months into his term.

The regret coming from serious republicans is palpable.

These are the people who really, really didn't want him in the first place.

And a lot of them just don't like him personally (probably pretty easy to do). Most of the Senate has egos that rival not only Trump's, but even Obama's.

I still don't really think he will run again. He will get bored of it. But he might decide to run again just to get back at people, even if he really doesn't want it.

(08-06-2017 10:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 10:54 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  I wonder in history how common is it a party is actively looking to replace their own guy 7 months into his term.

The regret coming from serious republicans is palpable.

These are the people who really, really didn't want him in the first place.

And a lot of them just don't like him personally (probably pretty easy to do). Most of the Senate has egos that rival not only Trump's, but even Obama's.

Exactly.

(08-06-2017 11:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  I still don't really think he will run again. He will get bored of it. But he might decide to run again just to get back at people, even if he really doesn't want it.

I don't think he will run again either but it will not be because he got bored. He has stated before that he didn't realize how hard and how difficult it is running a country. I think he will not be able to handle another 4 years.

(08-06-2017 10:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 10:54 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  I wonder in history how common is it a party is actively looking to replace their own guy 7 months into his term.

The regret coming from serious republicans is palpable.

These are the people who really, really didn't want him in the first place.

And a lot of them just don't like him personally (probably pretty easy to do). Most of the Senate has egos that rival not only Trump's, but even Obama's.

So Obama has a bigger ego than Trump?

(08-06-2017 12:40 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 10:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 10:54 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  I wonder in history how common is it a party is actively looking to replace their own guy 7 months into his term.

The regret coming from serious republicans is palpable.

These are the people who really, really didn't want him in the first place.

And a lot of them just don't like him personally (probably pretty easy to do). Most of the Senate has egos that rival not only Trump's, but even Obama's.

So Obama has a bigger ego than Trump?

Is that a trick question?

Does a cartload of pig manure smell worse than a baby's dirty diaper?