(10-11-2017 01:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 10:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:15 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The ACC, without those 4 schools is still a better league than the Big 12 without the Texlahoma 4. I see the ACC raiding the Big 12, possibly taking all 6, as more probable.

About the only way I see ACC schools joining the Big 12 is if Florida St and their likeminded compatriots who are not Big Ten or SEC targets, strike up a deal with the schools who are on those radars in a plan to disband the league and land the major players in higher paying leagues.

As the paradigm shifts away from cable subscribership I think the SEC might some day see the advantage of adding programs like Florida St and Clemson because overall viewership and popularity is more important. in the future I don't think it will matter so much where the fans are just how many of them are there.

The ACC GoR makes this scenario implausible in the next 10 years, but here's how it might look:

ACC
East: Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
South: Baylor, Florida State, Miami-FL, TCU
West: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville

Big Ten
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
North: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
South: Maryland, North Carolina, Rutgers, Virginia
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Pac-16
East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

For this to occur, the Big 12 would have to survive the expiration of their current GoR intact and adopt a new one that lasts until around the time the ACC GoR expires in 2035-36. The NC and VA schools wouldn't defect too far before then, if at all.

The ACC GOR runs through 2036. No ACC schools want to move, nor will they.

Note the other bolded part.

Yep, I saw that well before I posted.

Do you take umbrage at the 10 years part? I would have said 20, but that put us past 2036. Does 17-19 work for you? To be clear, I'm saying it's implausible for any ACC teams to defect until near or at that point. We're already in agreement, so I'm not sure what the problem is. I was merely running with the hypothetical scenario.

(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 10:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:15 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The ACC GoR makes this scenario implausible in the next 10 years, but here's how it might look:

ACC
East: Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
South: Baylor, Florida State, Miami-FL, TCU
West: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville

Big Ten
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
North: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
South: Maryland, North Carolina, Rutgers, Virginia
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Pac-16
East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

For this to occur, the Big 12 would have to survive the expiration of their current GoR intact and adopt a new one that lasts until around the time the ACC GoR expires in 2035-36. The NC and VA schools wouldn't defect too far before then, if at all.

The ACC GOR runs through 2036. No ACC schools want to move, nor will they.

Note the other bolded part.

Yep, I saw that well before I posted.

Do you take umbrage at the 10 years part? I would have said 20, but that put us past 2036. Does 17-19 work for you? To be clear, I'm saying it's implausible for any ACC teams to defect until near or at that point. We're already in agreement, so I'm not sure what the problem is. I was merely running with the hypothetical scenario.

No problems. Your post was ambiguous, is all.

(10-11-2017 02:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 10:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The ACC GOR runs through 2036. No ACC schools want to move, nor will they.

Note the other bolded part.

Yep, I saw that well before I posted.

Do you take umbrage at the 10 years part? I would have said 20, but that put us past 2036. Does 17-19 work for you? To be clear, I'm saying it's implausible for any ACC teams to defect until near or at that point. We're already in agreement, so I'm not sure what the problem is. I was merely running with the hypothetical scenario.

No problems. Your post was ambiguous, is all.

FWIW, I like the ACC and would prefer it to survive. I'm not strongly attached to any school or conference, but I tend to favor the ACC because it's east coast and I'm east coast. Of course, the premise of this thread is making the conference less east coast, which I'm not as fond of.

(08-05-2017 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  To the point Kaplony brought up above, even for DFW and Houston:

- DFW/Houston road distance to Charlotte is roughly 1000mi
- DFW/Houston road distance to Phoenix is roughly 1100mi

I think the point there is that in the ACC they would likely be grouped with Miami (direct flight), Georgia Tech (direct flight), T.C.U. (direct flight), Florida State (I10) Houston (I10) and if they added Tulane (I10)

That grouping could form a fairly easily accessed division for the ACC.

Adding DFW, Houston, and New Orleans would be a lot more impressive than adding Cincinnati (where Notre Dame gives you decent coverage and Louisville has some presence) or Connecticut (where Syracuse and Boston College cover a lot of the peripheral markets, leaving only the state of Connecticut uncovered).

If Notre Dame goes all in you are set. If they remain independent then West Virginia fills in nicely. But the point being that the markets are so much larger with Houston / Dallas / Ft Worth & New Orleans.

So judging the distance from Houston/DFW to Charlotte is moot. The question is Air Time between DFW/Miami/Atlanta none of which would be much over 2 hours. And then the driving time between Tallahassee, New Orleans and Houston.

That makes for a very workable way to get the ACCN oodles more carriage.