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(08-03-2017 11:13 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  Michigan State would be crazy to fire Dantonio. They haven't had this much success since the Mid 60's.
I think MD is a good coach and I think he was at MSU at the right time (UM of down). Now that UM is back, I don't see MD being able to be the top dog in Michigan any more. If MSU fans think they can find a better coach for their program, I think they would be mistaken.
 
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(08-04-2017 04:10 PM)bearcat_df Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 11:13 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  Michigan State would be crazy to fire Dantonio. They haven't had this much success since the Mid 60's.
I think MD is a good coach and I think he was at MSU at the right time (UM of down). Now that UM is back, I don't see MD being able to be the top dog in Michigan any more. If MSU fans think they can find a better coach for their program, I think they would be mistaken.

MSU is OK with playing second fiddle in that state as long as it's a respectable second. MD needs to get his squad back to at least .500 in-conference, or he's in trouble.
 
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RE: Kelly, Dantonio and Jones have same odds to be first coach fired
(08-04-2017 05:20 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 04:10 PM)bearcat_df Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 11:13 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  Michigan State would be crazy to fire Dantonio. They haven't had this much success since the Mid 60's.
I think MD is a good coach and I think he was at MSU at the right time (UM of down). Now that UM is back, I don't see MD being able to be the top dog in Michigan any more. If MSU fans think they can find a better coach for their program, I think they would be mistaken.

MSU is OK with playing second fiddle in that state as long as it's a respectable second. MD needs to get his squad back to at least .500 in-conference, or he's in trouble.

And they'd be stupid to panic and fire MD after one crap season. Who knows how long Harbaugh is going to last. Does he finish 3rd in his division again and run off to take the Bears job? Does he have a meltdown on the field or in a press conference that the admin can't ignore and gets fired? Harbaugh could be there for ten years or he could be gone halfway through this season. Dude is not wired right, and he's not built to last.
 
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RE: Kelly, Dantonio and Jones have same odds to be first coach fired
If CLF does the job at UC we all think he's going to and MD gets canned in a few years, anybody worry about MSU coming after CLF? Would he go there?
 
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(08-06-2017 09:29 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If CLF does the job at UC we all think he's going to and MD gets canned in a few years, anybody worry about MSU coming after CLF? Would he go there?

Anything can happen, but I don't think he has any special attachments to Michigan State... So it's not on my "worry list" at the moment. I'd think Notre Dame, Ohio State, and a couple of others would be ahead of Michigan State.
 
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I don't think he'd consider MSU, particularly if Harbaugh stays at Michigan and they're back to being a top 10 program. I honestly think that if he gets UC winning consistently, he becomes heir apparent to Urban. Why risk that by going somewhere new and possibly failing. He just sits tight and waits for the OSU job to open up.
 
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(08-06-2017 02:36 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't think he'd consider MSU, particularly if Harbaugh stays at Michigan and they're back to being a top 10 program. I honestly think that if he gets UC winning consistently, he becomes heir apparent to Urban. Why risk that by going somewhere new and possibly failing. He just sits tight and waits for the OSU job to open up.

I would be just fine with this, esp if its 6-8 yrs down the road and by then we are ranked annually, have won some NY6 bowl games and UC is atop the G5 in terms of prestige.
 
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RE: Kelly, Dantonio and Jones have same odds to be first coach fired
(08-04-2017 08:21 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 05:20 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 04:10 PM)bearcat_df Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 11:13 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  Michigan State would be crazy to fire Dantonio. They haven't had this much success since the Mid 60's.
I think MD is a good coach and I think he was at MSU at the right time (UM of down). Now that UM is back, I don't see MD being able to be the top dog in Michigan any more. If MSU fans think they can find a better coach for their program, I think they would be mistaken.

MSU is OK with playing second fiddle in that state as long as it's a respectable second. MD needs to get his squad back to at least .500 in-conference, or he's in trouble.

And they'd be stupid to panic and fire MD after one crap season.

They didn't fire him after one crap season.
 
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RE: Kelly, Dantonio and Jones have same odds to be first coach fired
(08-06-2017 02:36 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't think he'd consider MSU, particularly if Harbaugh stays at Michigan and they're back to being a top 10 program. I honestly think that if he gets UC winning consistently, he becomes heir apparent to Urban. Why risk that by going somewhere new and possibly failing. He just sits tight and waits for the OSU job to open up.

Honestly, I don't see Notre Dame, MSU or UT hiring a UC coach immediately after firing the previous one. Maybe MSU if Dantonio retired but the fan base would be pissed at Notre Dame or UT if their AD went and hired a coach from the same school that they just fired their last one from.
 
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Each of these schools need a reality check. ND will never again be ND 1960 and prior. MSU has had only a couple big time seasons before MD. TN thinks it can be AL, it cannot.
 
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(08-07-2017 09:40 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(08-06-2017 02:36 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't think he'd consider MSU, particularly if Harbaugh stays at Michigan and they're back to being a top 10 program. I honestly think that if he gets UC winning consistently, he becomes heir apparent to Urban. Why risk that by going somewhere new and possibly failing. He just sits tight and waits for the OSU job to open up.

Honestly, I don't see Notre Dame, MSU or UT hiring a UC coach immediately after firing the previous one. Maybe MSU if Dantonio retired but the fan base would be pissed at Notre Dame or UT if their AD went and hired a coach from the same school that they just fired their last one from.

This.

I'm far more worried about the Pitt or West Virginia jobs coming open in 2 years.
 
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(08-07-2017 08:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 09:40 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(08-06-2017 02:36 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't think he'd consider MSU, particularly if Harbaugh stays at Michigan and they're back to being a top 10 program. I honestly think that if he gets UC winning consistently, he becomes heir apparent to Urban. Why risk that by going somewhere new and possibly failing. He just sits tight and waits for the OSU job to open up.

Honestly, I don't see Notre Dame, MSU or UT hiring a UC coach immediately after firing the previous one. Maybe MSU if Dantonio retired but the fan base would be pissed at Notre Dame or UT if their AD went and hired a coach from the same school that they just fired their last one from.

This.

I'm far more worried about the Pitt or West Virginia jobs coming open in 2 years.

Pitt??? lol no
 
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(08-07-2017 08:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 09:40 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(08-06-2017 02:36 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't think he'd consider MSU, particularly if Harbaugh stays at Michigan and they're back to being a top 10 program. I honestly think that if he gets UC winning consistently, he becomes heir apparent to Urban. Why risk that by going somewhere new and possibly failing. He just sits tight and waits for the OSU job to open up.

Honestly, I don't see Notre Dame, MSU or UT hiring a UC coach immediately after firing the previous one. Maybe MSU if Dantonio retired but the fan base would be pissed at Notre Dame or UT if their AD went and hired a coach from the same school that they just fired their last one from.

This.

I'm far more worried about the Pitt or West Virginia jobs coming open in 2 years.

Pitt??? lol no
 
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(08-07-2017 07:14 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Each of these schools need a reality check. ND will never again be ND 1960 and prior. MSU has had only a couple big time seasons before MD. TN thinks it can be AL, it cannot.

Tennessee is one of the sleeping giants of college football. They completely own one of the biggest states in the South and average over 100,000 fans per game even when they stink.

Historically, Tennessee is the 2nd best SEC school (8th on the all-time wins list and 6 national titles).

But they've made a lot of stupid coaching decisions in recent years:
firing Fulmer
hiring Lane freaking Kiffin
hiring Dooley (who had only 3 years of HC coaching experience, during which he went 17-20 at Louisiana Tech)
hiring Butch Jones (a mediocre coach who did NOT fit their values)
 
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(08-07-2017 08:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 07:14 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Each of these schools need a reality check. ND will never again be ND 1960 and prior. MSU has had only a couple big time seasons before MD. TN thinks it can be AL, it cannot.

Tennessee is one of the sleeping giants of college football. They completely own one of the biggest states in the South and average over 100,000 fans per game even when they stink.

Historically, Tennessee is the 2nd best SEC school (8th on the all-time wins list and 6 national titles).

But they've made a lot of stupid coaching decisions in recent years:
firing Fulmer
hiring Lane freaking Kiffin
hiring Dooley (who had only 3 years of HC coaching experience, during which he went 17-20 at Louisiana Tech)
hiring Butch Jones (a mediocre coach who did NOT fit their values)

Ancient history. Last SEC Championship was 1998.
 
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(08-07-2017 08:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 07:14 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Each of these schools need a reality check. ND will never again be ND 1960 and prior. MSU has had only a couple big time seasons before MD. TN thinks it can be AL, it cannot.

Tennessee is one of the sleeping giants of college football. They completely own one of the biggest states in the South and average over 100,000 fans per game even when they stink.

Historically, Tennessee is the 2nd best SEC school (8th on the all-time wins list and 6 national titles).

But they've made a lot of stupid coaching decisions in recent years:
firing Fulmer
hiring Lane freaking Kiffin
hiring Dooley (who had only 3 years of HC coaching experience, during which he went 17-20 at Louisiana Tech)
hiring Butch Jones (a mediocre coach who did NOT fit their values)

The right guy in there will compete in the SEC. The Vols own Tennessee no matter what Memphis posters might think. It is an Ohio State/Cincinnat situation.
 
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(08-07-2017 11:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 08:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 07:14 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Each of these schools need a reality check. ND will never again be ND 1960 and prior. MSU has had only a couple big time seasons before MD. TN thinks it can be AL, it cannot.

Tennessee is one of the sleeping giants of college football. They completely own one of the biggest states in the South and average over 100,000 fans per game even when they stink.

Historically, Tennessee is the 2nd best SEC school (8th on the all-time wins list and 6 national titles).

But they've made a lot of stupid coaching decisions in recent years:
firing Fulmer
hiring Lane freaking Kiffin
hiring Dooley (who had only 3 years of HC coaching experience, during which he went 17-20 at Louisiana Tech)
hiring Butch Jones (a mediocre coach who did NOT fit their values)

Ancient history. Last SEC Championship was 1998.

100,000 people in the stands is not ancient history. Even when they had 4 losing seasons in a row, Tennessee was top-8 in attendance every year.

Since 2000, only 2 schools have won a national title without being top-15 in attendance (Miami and Florida State).

Of the rest who won titles since 2000, here is their winning percentage before hiring their national-title winning coach:
.814 - OSU in 10 years before hiring Urban (9 top-25 finishes)
.761 - Florida in 10 years before hiring Urban (9 top-25 finishes)
.612 - Clemson in the 10 years before hiring Dabo Swiney (4 top-25 finishes)
.562 - Texas in the 12 years before hiring Mack Brown (4 top-25 finishes)
.556 - USC in the 10 years before hiring Pete Carroll (2 top-25 finishes)
.549 - Alabama in the 10 years before hiring Saban (3 top-25 finishes)
.549 - Oklahoma in the 10 years before hiring Bob Stoops (3 top-25 finishes)
.535 - Tennessee in the last 10 years (3 top-25 finishes)
.471 - LSU in the 11 years before hiring Saban (2 top-top finishes)
(Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Georgia join Tennessee in the group with top-15 attendance that has not won a title since 2000)

As you see, few schools are like Florida and Ohio State, who seem to have success with every coach. But teams with giant fanbases will usually bounce back from a bad coaching hire (or even 2 or 3).
 
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RE: Kelly, Dantonio and Jones have same odds to be first coach fired
I have to think Dantonio is probably safer than the other two.
 
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(08-09-2017 08:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  I have to think Dantonio is probably safer than the other two.

I agree with this. The expectations at ND and Tennessee are higher than at MSU, though, recently MSU has been better than UT. I think, if Dantonio bounces back and competes near the top of his division, he will be safe. If not, his name might be mentioned as one that could get fired this year. I think he has another year or two though. He also doesn't have as much of a goofball personality than the other two. The other two are brash and confident and, though not exactly alike, have the personalities to boast about what they have done or what they are going to do without actually doing it. I think ND and UT alums have them on a short leash, ready to yank (BK might be on a choker right now). Dantonio is MSU family and will be given more leeway.
 
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