(09-12-2017 07:50 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I will note that I started watching college football at the tail end of the Holtz era, his very last season as a matter of fact. Basically speaking, my first impression of Notre Dame came from Bob Davie's teams, so I suppose that clouds my view. Notre Dame hasn't been dominant since then.

To attend a game in South Bend is absolutely a bucket list experience. Notre Dame has a fantastic on-campus game day experience that starts hours before kickoff.

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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(09-12-2017 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 06:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  You can pull the same photo up for the Nebraska game in 2000. Effect? Zero.

Georgia had not played North of the Mason Dixon line since 1965 and were willing to pay up to $1,200 per ticket to make the once in a lifetime trip to ND.

Next....

It was that kind of sentiment oozing from the NBC crew that made me change the channel.

Georgia would have filled the stadium just about anywhere. That wasn't much to do with ND.

That is just plain silly. Georgia fan willingness to pay amazing sums for these tickets had everything to do with it being Notre Dame. Everything.

As SB Nation said:

"And this is where credit goes to Notre Dame. It was not random that Georgia fans decided to pay four-figure sums for tickets and demand-inflated prices for airfare and accommodations. They REALLY wanted to see their team in South Bend because it is a bucket list experience."

Anyone who listened to the comments of Georgia fans before the game knows this.

This

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(09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.

(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.

These are repeat thoughts:

College hoops has dozens of Div-1 Catholic schools, and they're located in most major cities nationwide, and across 8 decades they've had a ton of Final Fours, National Championships, and are always ranked.

College football has 2 FBS Catholic schools choices.
- Boston College.
- Notre Dame.

BC has played in like 2 bowls on New Years Day since after WW2.
BC has finished in the Top 10 only twice since after WW2.

Notre Dame has won 11 National Championships going back to 1924, with 7 Heisman Trophy winners, more All-America players than any school.

BC has never made a Final Four, and has had few NBA'ers, so they can't even get hoops-to-football spillover fans.

Irish hoops isn't a big draw but at least they have a Final-4 with future NBA'ers Tripucka, Woolridge and Laimbeer, plus earlier NBA'ers like Adrian Dantley, John Shumate, and Austin Carr.

Also, with the Irish, in the 6 years just before you started following the sport, Notre Dame went 64-9, playing an extremely difficult schedule, and was 5-1 in New Years Day bowls in those years, with the only loss being due to the ridiculous non-clip on the Rocket Ismail insane punt return. In 93, ND and FSU had 1 loss only, and the Irish had beaten FSU, but FSU was given the title. These are significant factors in capturing Irish fandom for those who are 40 years old and older.

(09-14-2017 12:44 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.

These are repeat thoughts:

College hoops has dozens of Div-1 Catholic schools, and they're located in most major cities nationwide, and across 8 decades they've had a ton of Final Fours, National Championships, and are always ranked.

College football has 2 FBS Catholic schools choices.
- Boston College.
- Notre Dame.

BC has played in like 2 bowls on New Years Day since after WW2.
BC has finished in the Top 10 only twice since after WW2.

Notre Dame has won 11 National Championships going back to 1924, with 7 Heisman Trophy winners, more All-America players than any school.

BC has never made a Final Four, and has had few NBA'ers, so they can't even get hoops-to-football spillover fans.

Irish hoops isn't a big draw but at least they have a Final-4 with future NBA'ers Tripucka, Woolridge and Laimbeer, plus earlier NBA'ers like Adrian Dantley, John Shumate, and Austin Carr.

Also, with the Irish, in the 6 years just before you started following the sport, Notre Dame went 64-9, playing an extremely difficult schedule, and was 5-1 in New Years Day bowls in those years, with the only loss being due to the ridiculous non-clip on the Rocket Ismail insane punt return. In 93, ND and FSU had 1 loss only, and the Irish had beaten FSU, but FSU was given the title. These are significant factors in capturing Irish fandom for those who are 40 years old and older.

I like ND - always have. That said, I think you are leaving something out in comments about 1993. Yes, FSU and ND finished the season each with one loss and ND had beaten FSU, but ND's loss came in their final game, at home, in dramatic fashion. Not the way to close out the season. Do you remember the team that beat them?

British Columbia?

(09-15-2017 01:29 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 12:44 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.

These are repeat thoughts:

College hoops has dozens of Div-1 Catholic schools, and they're located in most major cities nationwide, and across 8 decades they've had a ton of Final Fours, National Championships, and are always ranked.

College football has 2 FBS Catholic schools choices.
- Boston College.
- Notre Dame.

BC has played in like 2 bowls on New Years Day since after WW2.
BC has finished in the Top 10 only twice since after WW2.

Notre Dame has won 11 National Championships going back to 1924, with 7 Heisman Trophy winners, more All-America players than any school.

BC has never made a Final Four, and has had few NBA'ers, so they can't even get hoops-to-football spillover fans.

Irish hoops isn't a big draw but at least they have a Final-4 with future NBA'ers Tripucka, Woolridge and Laimbeer, plus earlier NBA'ers like Adrian Dantley, John Shumate, and Austin Carr.

Also, with the Irish, in the 6 years just before you started following the sport, Notre Dame went 64-9, playing an extremely difficult schedule, and was 5-1 in New Years Day bowls in those years, with the only loss being due to the ridiculous non-clip on the Rocket Ismail insane punt return. In 93, ND and FSU had 1 loss only, and the Irish had beaten FSU, but FSU was given the title. These are significant factors in capturing Irish fandom for those who are 40 years old and older.

I like ND - always have. That said, I think you are leaving something out in comments about 1993. Yes, FSU and ND finished the season each with one loss and ND had beaten FSU, but ND's loss came in their final game, at home, in dramatic fashion. Not the way to close out the season. Do you remember the team that beat them?

I do.......

(09-15-2017 01:29 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 12:44 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.

These are repeat thoughts:

College hoops has dozens of Div-1 Catholic schools, and they're located in most major cities nationwide, and across 8 decades they've had a ton of Final Fours, National Championships, and are always ranked.

College football has 2 FBS Catholic schools choices.
- Boston College.
- Notre Dame.

BC has played in like 2 bowls on New Years Day since after WW2.
BC has finished in the Top 10 only twice since after WW2.

Notre Dame has won 11 National Championships going back to 1924, with 7 Heisman Trophy winners, more All-America players than any school.

BC has never made a Final Four, and has had few NBA'ers, so they can't even get hoops-to-football spillover fans.

Irish hoops isn't a big draw but at least they have a Final-4 with future NBA'ers Tripucka, Woolridge and Laimbeer, plus earlier NBA'ers like Adrian Dantley, John Shumate, and Austin Carr.

Also, with the Irish, in the 6 years just before you started following the sport, Notre Dame went 64-9, playing an extremely difficult schedule, and was 5-1 in New Years Day bowls in those years, with the only loss being due to the ridiculous non-clip on the Rocket Ismail insane punt return. In 93, ND and FSU had 1 loss only, and the Irish had beaten FSU, but FSU was given the title. These are significant factors in capturing Irish fandom for those who are 40 years old and older.

I like ND - always have. That said, I think you are leaving something out in comments about 1993. Yes, FSU and ND finished the season each with one loss and ND had beaten FSU, but ND's loss came in their final game, at home, in dramatic fashion. Not the way to close out the season. Do you remember the team that beat them?

Lol, yes, that was a heartbreaker loss on a last second BC field goal. From what i remember, BC had the lead for much of the game, but the Irish took the lead late with maybe 2 minutes left. At like the BC 40, a Notre Dame LB dropped a potential game-clinching interception when it bounced off his chest. BC continued their last minute drive and kicked the FG. Fantastic game, crushing loss.

And yeah, it was the order of the loss that put FSU above the Irish. Crazy the way it worked back then, very antiquated. Not sure, but it mightve been the year Holtz said something like "we beat the champions of the Big Ten, SEC, PAC-10, ACC, but aren't #1...?"

Thinking about that BC game, i get the same sick feeling as i do when thinking about the 19-0 Patriots Super Bowl loss... Asante Samuel dropping the potential game-clinching interception.

Hey those were great years in college football.

(09-15-2017 01:29 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 12:44 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's not that I don't like it, it's that I'm shocked they're still so popular. I would have figured that popularity would have waned, Notre Dame hasn't even been that good since Holtz. Not everything gets passed down from generation-to-generation and many cultural fads die out over time.

How many state flagships can you say that about?

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State flagships are about regional identity and usually have far more alums than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is hardly the only Catholic school. Then again, as noted, they've been down, relatively speaking, since I've been watching college football, so it clouds my view.

These are repeat thoughts:

College hoops has dozens of Div-1 Catholic schools, and they're located in most major cities nationwide, and across 8 decades they've had a ton of Final Fours, National Championships, and are always ranked.

College football has 2 FBS Catholic schools choices.
- Boston College.
- Notre Dame.

BC has played in like 2 bowls on New Years Day since after WW2.
BC has finished in the Top 10 only twice since after WW2.

Notre Dame has won 11 National Championships going back to 1924, with 7 Heisman Trophy winners, more All-America players than any school.

BC has never made a Final Four, and has had few NBA'ers, so they can't even get hoops-to-football spillover fans.

Irish hoops isn't a big draw but at least they have a Final-4 with future NBA'ers Tripucka, Woolridge and Laimbeer, plus earlier NBA'ers like Adrian Dantley, John Shumate, and Austin Carr.

Also, with the Irish, in the 6 years just before you started following the sport, Notre Dame went 64-9, playing an extremely difficult schedule, and was 5-1 in New Years Day bowls in those years, with the only loss being due to the ridiculous non-clip on the Rocket Ismail insane punt return. In 93, ND and FSU had 1 loss only, and the Irish had beaten FSU, but FSU was given the title. These are significant factors in capturing Irish fandom for those who are 40 years old and older.

I like ND - always have. That said, I think you are leaving something out in comments about 1993. Yes, FSU and ND finished the season each with one loss and ND had beaten FSU, but ND's loss came in their final game, at home, in dramatic fashion. Not the way to close out the season. Do you remember the team that beat them?

IIRC, ND's loss to BC wasn't their last game, they played a bowl game after. But surely ND got robbed of the national title.