Teachers unions wont support a bill that makes it illegal to have sex with students. And now it has cost them $125,000 in just one case alone.

When are the libturds going to step up and disavow teachers having sex with students?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/25/okl...udent.html

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

If people in Oklahoma don't like it, do something about it. And that starts with the teachers who can stand up and say enough is enough.

Question, when is trump going to support a bill outlawing murder so murders will stop?

But anyway, back to reality. Isn't it already illegal to have sex with someone under age? Yeah...thought so.

And FWIW - I'm not aware of one liberal ever condoning a teacher having sex with an underage student. Perhaps someone can provide an example?

(07-25-2017 12:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Question, when is trump going to support a bill outlawing murder so murders will stop?

We already have a bill on that. Fail on your part.

Quote:But anyway, back to reality. Isn't it already illegal to have sex with someone under age? Yeah...thought so.

Do you spend all of your time thinking up dumb*** strawman arguments? It is currently not illegal to have sex with students in some states. And the teachers union will not support a bill that says it is illegal. And you can see why. That would lead to quick route of being terminated, with teacher credentials revoked. In other words, a union member being removed from the union. Libturds cant have that, so the students will just need to oil up their buttholes and take it.

Wow.

Strawman you say?

1. Nowhere in the article does it mention a teachers's union nor does it cite anywhere that teacher's unions refuse to support a bill making illegal to have sex with a student.

2. This case involved an 8th grade student, which unless they had been held back several years, would constitute a crime already present on the books in EVERY state.

Those are strawmen. Your nonsense about some non-existent bill and your nonsense about sex not being a crime when in this case it was. To refresh your "memory", this is from your link:

Quote:The Oklahoman reported in June that Jennifer Caswell pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and other charges in Harmon County District Court. Sentencing was set for Aug. 31.

The boy was 15 at the time of the crimes. The paper reported that Caswell was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

And no dude, I did not fail. You just are not intelligent enough to understand the point. You're advocating for some law to be put in place that will somehow magically stop the crime it covers from ever occurring again. You see, we have a law against murder, but they still happen. Get it? Do I really need to explain this to you?

And even if I buy your assertion that in some states it's not illegal to have sex with students, would that even be Constitutional? The only way it could not be illegal to begin with would be if the student was at the consenting age in that state.

Finally, the lawsuit was with the school district which had fired the teacher but did not revoke her teaching credentials. That has nothing to do with the union. But again, revoking her credentials and/or having a law against having sex with a student of any age, WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE LADY FROM HAVING SEX WITH THE BOY!

I expect John to be in here any minute considering how pissed he was about the court costs of the woman in Kentucky who did not want to sign gay wedding certificates.

(07-25-2017 02:11 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  I expect John to be in here any minute considering how pissed he was about the court costs of the woman in Kentucky who did not want to sign gay wedding certificates.

And I expect Tom to get even more butthurt when he realizes others knew how this thread was relevant to that thread, and yet he was so clueless about it.

(07-25-2017 12:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 12:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Question, when is trump going to support a bill outlawing murder so murders will stop?

We already have a bill on that. Fail on your part.

Quote:But anyway, back to reality. Isn't it already illegal to have sex with someone under age? Yeah...thought so.

Do you spend all of your time thinking up dumb*** strawman arguments? It is currently not illegal to have sex with students in some states. And the teachers union will not support a bill that says it is illegal. And you can see why. That would lead to quick route of being terminated, with teacher credentials revoked. In other words, a union member being removed from the union. Libturds cant have that, so the students will just need to oil up their buttholes and take it.

Oklahoma Administrative Code already contains two sections explicitly prohibiting sex offenses and sexual misconduct by teachers. It also includes a separate a moral turpitude clause. Commission of a crime is explicitly cause for loss of licensure as well. This is standard practice throughout the country. And the woman worked in a non-union district. You're a moron.

(07-26-2017 01:01 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 12:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 12:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Question, when is trump going to support a bill outlawing murder so murders will stop?

We already have a bill on that. Fail on your part.

Quote:But anyway, back to reality. Isn't it already illegal to have sex with someone under age? Yeah...thought so.

Do you spend all of your time thinking up dumb*** strawman arguments? It is currently not illegal to have sex with students in some states. And the teachers union will not support a bill that says it is illegal. And you can see why. That would lead to quick route of being terminated, with teacher credentials revoked. In other words, a union member being removed from the union. Libturds cant have that, so the students will just need to oil up their buttholes and take it.

Oklahoma Administrative Code already contains two sections explicitly prohibiting sex offenses and sexual misconduct by teachers. It also includes a separate a moral turpitude clause. Commission of a crime is explicitly cause for loss of licensure as well. This is standard practice throughout the country. And the woman worked in a non-union district. You're a moron.

And how does it define "sex offenses and sexual misconduct by teachers"

(07-26-2017 01:01 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 12:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 12:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Question, when is trump going to support a bill outlawing murder so murders will stop?

We already have a bill on that. Fail on your part.

Quote:But anyway, back to reality. Isn't it already illegal to have sex with someone under age? Yeah...thought so.

Do you spend all of your time thinking up dumb*** strawman arguments? It is currently not illegal to have sex with students in some states. And the teachers union will not support a bill that says it is illegal. And you can see why. That would lead to quick route of being terminated, with teacher credentials revoked. In other words, a union member being removed from the union. Libturds cant have that, so the students will just need to oil up their buttholes and take it.

Oklahoma Administrative Code already contains two sections explicitly prohibiting sex offenses and sexual misconduct by teachers. It also includes a separate a moral turpitude clause. Commission of a crime is explicitly cause for loss of licensure as well. This is standard practice throughout the country. And the woman worked in a non-union district. You're a moron.

If you're going to listen to your libturd buddies and come into this forum calling people morons, then you need to read up on the history of some of this. Or, dont, and just remain a clueless numbnut libturd. Your call. It would be a shame to not, as you at least seem willing to do a little research before throwing out an response that completely missed the point. (Which can happen when you come cherry pick what you read and dont read.)

(07-25-2017 11:59 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Teachers unions wont support a bill that makes it illegal to have sex with students. And now it has cost them $125,000 in just one case alone.

When are the libturds going to step up and disavow teachers having sex with students?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/25/okl...udent.html

(07-26-2017 02:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you're going to listen to your libturd buddies and come into this forum calling people morons, then you need to read up on the history of some of this. Or, dont, and just remain a clueless numbnut libturd. Your call. It would be a shame to not, as you at least seem willing to do a little research before throwing out an response that completely missed the point. (Which can happen when you come cherry pick what you read and dont read.)

So to recap: Oklahoma's professional standards do in fact prohibit teachers from having sex with students, no union was involved in the case you mentioned, the teacher was convicted and her license was revoked.

In OK and other states teachers can and have been convicted for having consensual sex with students who are at or above the age of consent which is 16 in OK. That's why states always include moral turpitude clauses in professional standards for teachers. The settlement had nothing to do with the state lacking the ability to legally prohibit teachers from having sex with students or with union interference in that matter which is your initial claim. Face it, you don't know what you're talking about.

As for your libturds supporting teachers having sex with students idiocy ... whatever. I'm not going to waste my time debating your insane conspiracy theories. I just thought it would be fun to take few minutes to point out that your claims regarding this case were so easily verified as completely false.

5 points to lost in space

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(07-25-2017 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow.

Strawman you say?

1. Nowhere in the article does it mention a teachers's union nor does it cite anywhere that teacher's unions refuse to support a bill making illegal to have sex with a student.

2. This case involved an 8th grade student, which unless they had been held back several years, would constitute a crime already present on the books in EVERY state.

Those are strawmen. Your nonsense about some non-existent bill and your nonsense about sex not being a crime when in this case it was. To refresh your "memory", this is from your link:

Quote:The Oklahoman reported in June that Jennifer Caswell pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and other charges in Harmon County District Court. Sentencing was set for Aug. 31.

The boy was 15 at the time of the crimes. The paper reported that Caswell was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

And no dude, I did not fail. You just are not intelligent enough to understand the point. You're advocating for some law to be put in place that will somehow magically stop the crime it covers from ever occurring again. You see, we have a law against murder, but they still happen. Get it? Do I really need to explain this to you?

And even if I buy your assertion that in some states it's not illegal to have sex with students, would that even be Constitutional? The only way it could not be illegal to begin with would be if the student was at the consenting age in that state.

Finally, the lawsuit was with the school district which had fired the teacher but did not revoke her teaching credentials. That has nothing to do with the union. But again, revoking her credentials and/or having a law against having sex with a student of any age, WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE LADY FROM HAVING SEX WITH THE BOY!

This is something you and I are in complete agreement about.

Unfortunately, it has been upheld.

I think that sleeping with a student should get one fired but I do not think it should be a crime as long as the kid has reached the age of consent.

That isn't to say I don't think that teachers that sleep with students aren't scum but I think that an otherwise legal sexual relationship should not be criminalized for such a reason.

(07-26-2017 05:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow.

Strawman you say?

1. Nowhere in the article does it mention a teachers's union nor does it cite anywhere that teacher's unions refuse to support a bill making illegal to have sex with a student.

2. This case involved an 8th grade student, which unless they had been held back several years, would constitute a crime already present on the books in EVERY state.

Those are strawmen. Your nonsense about some non-existent bill and your nonsense about sex not being a crime when in this case it was. To refresh your "memory", this is from your link:

Quote:The Oklahoman reported in June that Jennifer Caswell pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and other charges in Harmon County District Court. Sentencing was set for Aug. 31.

The boy was 15 at the time of the crimes. The paper reported that Caswell was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

And no dude, I did not fail. You just are not intelligent enough to understand the point. You're advocating for some law to be put in place that will somehow magically stop the crime it covers from ever occurring again. You see, we have a law against murder, but they still happen. Get it? Do I really need to explain this to you?

And even if I buy your assertion that in some states it's not illegal to have sex with students, would that even be Constitutional? The only way it could not be illegal to begin with would be if the student was at the consenting age in that state.

Finally, the lawsuit was with the school district which had fired the teacher but did not revoke her teaching credentials. That has nothing to do with the union. But again, revoking her credentials and/or having a law against having sex with a student of any age, WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE LADY FROM HAVING SEX WITH THE BOY!

This is something you and I are in complete agreement about.

Unfortunately, it has been upheld.

I think that sleeping with a student should get one fired but I do not think it should be a crime as long as the kid has reached the age of consent.

That isn't to say I don't think that teachers that sleep with students aren't scum but I think that an otherwise legal sexual relationship should not be criminalized for such a reason.

Right. But don't you have to believe that in most all these cases the teacher is at least fired?

(07-26-2017 04:27 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 11:59 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Teachers unions wont support a bill that makes it illegal to have sex with students. And now it has cost them $125,000 in just one case alone.

When are the libturds going to step up and disavow teachers having sex with students?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/25/okl...udent.html

(07-26-2017 02:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you're going to listen to your libturd buddies and come into this forum calling people morons, then you need to read up on the history of some of this. Or, dont, and just remain a clueless numbnut libturd. Your call. It would be a shame to not, as you at least seem willing to do a little research before throwing out an response that completely missed the point. (Which can happen when you come cherry pick what you read and dont read.)

So to recap: Oklahoma's professional standards do in fact prohibit teachers from having sex with students, no union was involved in the case you mentioned, the teacher was convicted and her license was revoked.

So you are saying that the republicans didnt cost taxpayers $224,000 in the Kim Davis case, right? Because Kim Davis wasnt a republican, right?

Keep talking it out, you will eventually get there.

(07-27-2017 09:04 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 05:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow.

Strawman you say?

1. Nowhere in the article does it mention a teachers's union nor does it cite anywhere that teacher's unions refuse to support a bill making illegal to have sex with a student.

2. This case involved an 8th grade student, which unless they had been held back several years, would constitute a crime already present on the books in EVERY state.

Those are strawmen. Your nonsense about some non-existent bill and your nonsense about sex not being a crime when in this case it was. To refresh your "memory", this is from your link:

Quote:The Oklahoman reported in June that Jennifer Caswell pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and other charges in Harmon County District Court. Sentencing was set for Aug. 31.

The boy was 15 at the time of the crimes. The paper reported that Caswell was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

And no dude, I did not fail. You just are not intelligent enough to understand the point. You're advocating for some law to be put in place that will somehow magically stop the crime it covers from ever occurring again. You see, we have a law against murder, but they still happen. Get it? Do I really need to explain this to you?

And even if I buy your assertion that in some states it's not illegal to have sex with students, would that even be Constitutional? The only way it could not be illegal to begin with would be if the student was at the consenting age in that state.

Finally, the lawsuit was with the school district which had fired the teacher but did not revoke her teaching credentials. That has nothing to do with the union. But again, revoking her credentials and/or having a law against having sex with a student of any age, WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE LADY FROM HAVING SEX WITH THE BOY!

This is something you and I are in complete agreement about.

Unfortunately, it has been upheld.

I think that sleeping with a student should get one fired but I do not think it should be a crime as long as the kid has reached the age of consent.

That isn't to say I don't think that teachers that sleep with students aren't scum but I think that an otherwise legal sexual relationship should not be criminalized for such a reason.

Right. But don't you have to believe that in most all these cases the teacher is at least fired?

Absolutely, the teacher should get fired and never be able to teach again.

(07-27-2017 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 09:04 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 05:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow.

Strawman you say?

1. Nowhere in the article does it mention a teachers's union nor does it cite anywhere that teacher's unions refuse to support a bill making illegal to have sex with a student.

2. This case involved an 8th grade student, which unless they had been held back several years, would constitute a crime already present on the books in EVERY state.

Those are strawmen. Your nonsense about some non-existent bill and your nonsense about sex not being a crime when in this case it was. To refresh your "memory", this is from your link:

Quote:The Oklahoman reported in June that Jennifer Caswell pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and other charges in Harmon County District Court. Sentencing was set for Aug. 31.

The boy was 15 at the time of the crimes. The paper reported that Caswell was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

And no dude, I did not fail. You just are not intelligent enough to understand the point. You're advocating for some law to be put in place that will somehow magically stop the crime it covers from ever occurring again. You see, we have a law against murder, but they still happen. Get it? Do I really need to explain this to you?

And even if I buy your assertion that in some states it's not illegal to have sex with students, would that even be Constitutional? The only way it could not be illegal to begin with would be if the student was at the consenting age in that state.

Finally, the lawsuit was with the school district which had fired the teacher but did not revoke her teaching credentials. That has nothing to do with the union. But again, revoking her credentials and/or having a law against having sex with a student of any age, WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE LADY FROM HAVING SEX WITH THE BOY!

This is something you and I are in complete agreement about.

Unfortunately, it has been upheld.

I think that sleeping with a student should get one fired but I do not think it should be a crime as long as the kid has reached the age of consent.

That isn't to say I don't think that teachers that sleep with students aren't scum but I think that an otherwise legal sexual relationship should not be criminalized for such a reason.

Right. But don't you have to believe that in most all these cases the teacher is at least fired?

Absolutely, the teacher should get fired and never be able to teach again.