(07-20-2017 06:19 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 05:30 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 04:34 PM)otown Wrote:  I said it before and I will say t again.............. regardless of product on the field/court/etc......... just what have the other conferences been doing outside of embracing the status quo. You don't hear a peep from any of the other commissioners. Why are they not out their marketing their product? Why is it only Aresco that consistently get press about his plans for the conference? I get the frustration that others feel toward him when talking about fans of the other conferences........but I do believe their venting is misplaced on the wrong person. This is marketing 101. If you have a product to sell, you must market it.

because the others know that running around trying to act like you are in the club will not make you get in the club

ignoring the facts of:

1. the same number of NCAA votes as every other G5 conference

2. not having a NY6 bowl guarantee for $27.5 to $40 million per year

3. not having a large TV contract for $20+ million per year per team

4. sharing the G5 part of the NCAA football playoff instead of getting $50 million per year for being a P5 member

is not going to make any of that change

saying that "well most years we are the best of the G5 so we are P6 is not going to change any of the above

the AAC homers act like the P5 conferences are called that because the causal fan of college football or the "opinion makers" simply call them that because they feel like calling them that for no marked reason to do so

when the reality is the above list of factors is why EVERYONE calls the P5 the P5 and the G5 the G5

and the only one that is likely (not really all that likely) to change and become remotely differentiating from the other G5 COULD be the TV contract

simply running around selling P6 golf balls and thongs on customink.noinfo is not going to make ESPN rush out and make a NY6 bowl with a payout of $27.5 to $40 million per year for the AAC neither is "well sometimes we occasionally finish better and get the G5 auto bid to the NY6 bowl game in the years that another conference does not get it"

until the AAC starts to make actual progress on differentiating themselves from the other G5 by making ANY progress on several of the above 4 things then their efforts to prove they are somehow different really mean nothing in terms of anything meaningful

So commissioners shouldn't talk up and sell their product? I find that an interesting concept that you are advocating from a business point of view.

selling your conference generally does not pay off all that well

and when you sell something you have to be realistic

when you run a Chuck E Cheese no one is going to believe that you have Disneyland in the back of the store simply because both have a rodent for a mascot, appeal to kids, sell over priced bad food and have some amusements

(07-20-2017 07:42 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 06:19 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 05:30 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 04:34 PM)otown Wrote:  I said it before and I will say t again.............. regardless of product on the field/court/etc......... just what have the other conferences been doing outside of embracing the status quo. You don't hear a peep from any of the other commissioners. Why are they not out their marketing their product? Why is it only Aresco that consistently get press about his plans for the conference? I get the frustration that others feel toward him when talking about fans of the other conferences........but I do believe their venting is misplaced on the wrong person. This is marketing 101. If you have a product to sell, you must market it.

because the others know that running around trying to act like you are in the club will not make you get in the club

ignoring the facts of:

1. the same number of NCAA votes as every other G5 conference

2. not having a NY6 bowl guarantee for $27.5 to $40 million per year

3. not having a large TV contract for $20+ million per year per team

4. sharing the G5 part of the NCAA football playoff instead of getting $50 million per year for being a P5 member

is not going to make any of that change

saying that "well most years we are the best of the G5 so we are P6 is not going to change any of the above

the AAC homers act like the P5 conferences are called that because the causal fan of college football or the "opinion makers" simply call them that because they feel like calling them that for no marked reason to do so

when the reality is the above list of factors is why EVERYONE calls the P5 the P5 and the G5 the G5

and the only one that is likely (not really all that likely) to change and become remotely differentiating from the other G5 COULD be the TV contract

simply running around selling P6 golf balls and thongs on customink.noinfo is not going to make ESPN rush out and make a NY6 bowl with a payout of $27.5 to $40 million per year for the AAC neither is "well sometimes we occasionally finish better and get the G5 auto bid to the NY6 bowl game in the years that another conference does not get it"

until the AAC starts to make actual progress on differentiating themselves from the other G5 by making ANY progress on several of the above 4 things then their efforts to prove they are somehow different really mean nothing in terms of anything meaningful

So commissioners shouldn't talk up and sell their product? I find that an interesting concept that you are advocating from a business point of view.

selling your conference generally does not pay off all that well

and when you sell something you have to be realistic

when you run a Chuck E Cheese no one is going to believe that you have Disneyland in the back of the store simply because both have a rodent for a mascot, appeal to kids, sell over priced bad food and have some amusements

How do you come to that conclusion that it generally does not pay off? With what historical context? As far as I have seen none of the other non autonomy conferences have even lifted a finger to sell their brand.
The rest of your post is simply nonsense. Even Chuck E. Cheese does viral marketing and pours money into marketing. Where a kid can be a kid....ring a bell?
Most importantly, I have to disagree with you about their pizza....... am I the only one who loves their pizza?

Aresco and the American are in a tough spot. The only was to earn the respect of the Power 5 is to play them and beat them. The Power 5 do their best to try to avoid American schools so they don't risk their reputations. Once you start being known as a Power 5 killer that plays outside of the cartel suddenly no one wants to schedule you any more.

If I were Aresco I would push for a 12 team playoff that gives the top G5 conference winner guaranteed access.

From a bowl game standpoint all the American is trying to do is leverage themselves into a spot against a decent power conference team in a region in which the American already a concentration of schools. I do believe Aresco will get it done as the American's top team can probably land a spot against a 7 or 8 win team power conference team.

Eventually the the playoff is going to go 8 team in which the power conferences an get automatic births and the top G5 to earns a spot with two other at-larges. It might not happen in the next five years but there is too much money on the table for the playoff not to expand. Play the round of 8 at the highest rated team and the G5 team never sniffs a major bowl game unless they upset the top seed.

The 13 game schedule with 10 conference games will eventually be the new normal. Once again the money will talk and the additional game will allow for the big money makers to play to 7 to 8 home games a year. The little guys will play 5 to 6 home games and take they extra road game for the buy money. Everyone in between will probably alternate between 6 to 7 home games year with neutral site game mixed in.

The American's next media deal will probably be in the 5 to 8 million range. Its the range needed to keep the former Big East school even when the realignment fund runs dry. Honestly if you look at the ratings for the American the conference probably should be able get the low end from ESPN or the high end by breaking the rights apart and selling it to multiple networks and streaming services.

(07-20-2017 08:49 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From a bowl game standpoint all the American is trying to do is leverage themselves into a spot against a decent power conference team in a region in which the American already a concentration of schools. I do believe Aresco will get it done as the American's top team can probably land a spot against a 7 or 8 win team power conference team.

Eventually the the playoff is going to go 8 team in which the power conferences an get automatic births and the top G5 to earns a spot with two other at-larges. It might not happen in the next five years but there is too much money on the table for the playoff not to expand. Play the round of 8 at the highest rated team and the G5 team never sniffs a major bowl game unless they upset the top seed.

The 13 game schedule with 10 conference games will eventually be the new normal. Once again the money will talk and the additional game will allow for the big money makers to play to 7 to 8 home games a year. The little guys will play 5 to 6 home games and take they extra road game for the buy money. Everyone in between will probably alternate between 6 to 7 home games year with neutral site game mixed in.

The American's next media deal will probably be in the 5 to 8 million range. Its the range needed to keep the former Big East school even when the realignment fund runs dry. Honestly if you look at the ratings for the American the conference probably should be able get the low end from ESPN or the high end by breaking the rights apart and selling it to multiple networks and streaming services.

Who told you this?

(07-20-2017 08:49 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From a bowl game standpoint all the American is trying to do is leverage themselves into a spot against a decent power conference team in a region in which the American already a concentration of schools. I do believe Aresco will get it done as the American's top team can probably land a spot against a 7 or 8 win team power conference team.

Eventually the the playoff is going to go 8 team in which the power conferences an get automatic births and the top G5 to earns a spot with two other at-larges. It might not happen in the next five years but there is too much money on the table for the playoff not to expand. Play the round of 8 at the highest rated team and the G5 team never sniffs a major bowl game unless they upset the top seed.

The 13 game schedule with 10 conference games will eventually be the new normal. Once again the money will talk and the additional game will allow for the big money makers to play to 7 to 8 home games a year. The little guys will play 5 to 6 home games and take they extra road game for the buy money. Everyone in between will probably alternate between 6 to 7 home games year with neutral site game mixed in.

The American's next media deal will probably be in the 5 to 8 million range. Its the range needed to keep the former Big East school even when the realignment fund runs dry. Honestly if you look at the ratings for the American the conference probably should be able get the low end from ESPN or the high end by breaking the rights apart and selling it to multiple networks and streaming services.

The fallacy of the 8 team arguement is that it will guarantee autobids. The CFP will still take the top 8 teams not the conference champion. Thus you will see 8 p5 teams and likely odds the Conference champs will be included.

1 Alabama 13-0 Champ
2 Clemson 12-1 Champ
3 Ohio State 11-1 Non Champ
4 Washington 12-1 Champ
5 Penn State 11-2 Champ
6 Michigan 10-2 Non Champ
7 Oklahoma 10-2 Cham
8 Wisconsin 10-3 Non Champ


Money will go even more to the power conferences than it does now. G5 will get even further behind than ever with the demise of the bowl system.

(07-20-2017 08:59 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 08:49 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From a bowl game standpoint all the American is trying to do is leverage themselves into a spot against a decent power conference team in a region in which the American already a concentration of schools. I do believe Aresco will get it done as the American's top team can probably land a spot against a 7 or 8 win team power conference team.

Eventually the the playoff is going to go 8 team in which the power conferences an get automatic births and the top G5 to earns a spot with two other at-larges. It might not happen in the next five years but there is too much money on the table for the playoff not to expand. Play the round of 8 at the highest rated team and the G5 team never sniffs a major bowl game unless they upset the top seed.

The 13 game schedule with 10 conference games will eventually be the new normal. Once again the money will talk and the additional game will allow for the big money makers to play to 7 to 8 home games a year. The little guys will play 5 to 6 home games and take they extra road game for the buy money. Everyone in between will probably alternate between 6 to 7 home games year with neutral site game mixed in.

The American's next media deal will probably be in the 5 to 8 million range. Its the range needed to keep the former Big East school even when the realignment fund runs dry. Honestly if you look at the ratings for the American the conference probably should be able get the low end from ESPN or the high end by breaking the rights apart and selling it to multiple networks and streaming services.

The fallacy of the 8 team arguement is that it will guarantee autobids. The CFP will still take the top 8 teams not the conference champion. Thus you will see 8 p5 teams and likely odds the Conference champs will be included.

1 Alabama 13-0 Champ
2 Clemson 12-1 Champ
3 Ohio State 11-1 Non Champ
4 Washington 12-1 Champ
5 Penn State 11-2 Champ
6 Michigan 10-2 Non Champ
7 Oklahoma 10-2 Cham
8 Wisconsin 10-3 Non Champ


Money will go even more to the power conferences than it does now. G5 will get even further behind than ever with the demise of the bowl system.

Then that's the point that it probably become prudent to file an anti-trust suit. A dozen years with the top G5 winning the access bowl against a top 10 team an average of 2/3rds of the time--yet no G5 ever having been ranked in the top ten by a committee stacked to the gills with P5 reps. I think they'd probably have a pretty good case---expecially since they will file in a place where the judge is most likely to be sympathetic. That's probably after the P5 has been humbled by several other losses in court cases against players. At some point, throwing a bone (1 slot out of eight) to the G5 will be a the easiest move. A court is likely to structure the selection committee in a 1 conference 1 vote set up and require a more equitable cash split. Multiple G5's might start making the playoff With a 1 conference 1 vote selection committee. Giving the G5 one slot is cheap insurance. The G5 would never rock the boat if they are given reasonable access--too much to lose. One slot is reasonable.

(07-20-2017 07:26 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  It sounds like it will be every "G" for themselves when bowl negotiations are up.

I think a consolidated effort would be better....4 good bowl games for the conference champions of the G that do not get the autobid.

Holiday
Sun
Liberty
Independence

G against Top 25 ranked P competition. In stadiums not suitable for hosting CFP bowls since they aren't NFL (Holiday about to become a baseball stadium).

Just my guess but only one of these bowls are even possible.

- Holiday - (Doubtful)I think moves to LA and stays B10/P12

- Sun - (Doubtful) P12 and ACC only bowl matchup and CBS, doubtful that matchup goes away

- Liberty - Doubtful B12 vs SEC, doubt that goes away

- Independence (Most Likely that could lose P5s)- ACC vs SEC. This one could be interesting. I think the ACC would like this to move up to the SEC over Birmingham. Otherwise, I could see the ACC try to replace the AAC to have the SEC vs ACC more likely picked over Indy.

One think Aresco and the AAC act likes there are no other conferences that will be looking to improve or add bowls with the AAC. P12 probably wants to increase their bids by one. ACC is looking to improve bowls, may drop St. Pete or Indy. MWC will be looking for bowls since they lost Ponsettia.

To think bowls are primarily about attendance is living 10 years ago. Bowls are more about TV ratings and matchups than fans attending. I think it will be hard to get bowls not to want P5 vs P5 matchups than P5 vs G5 or G5 vs G5. Sorry, if you not in a NYE/NYD bowl, your G5. I agree P5 is not an official designation but G5 is an official designation. AAC, SB, CUSA, MWC and MAC are the G5.

The advantage Aresco has nothing to lose. He'd be happy to play the Big-10 in a 6 million dollar payout game where the Big10 gets 5 million and the AAC gets one. I don't think the ACC would do that. But they might pass on the Big10 bowl and play in another game with a similar split with the AAC. I think that's the strategy Aresco plans to deploy. Might work...might not. I think it's best chance to work is not important if he is working directly with a network or streamer to create a new Bowl for the AAC champ.

The 4 bowls I am talking about for the G5 (Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Independence) have a lot of tradition with the G5 with all 5 of those conferences represented at one point.

Sun Bowl x20
Cincinnati x2
Houston
Miami U.
New Mexico
North Texas
Ohio
SMU x2
South Florida
Southern Miss x2
Utah State
UTEP x7

Liberty x28
Air Force x4
Boise State
Central Florida x2
Cincinnati
Colorado St. x3
East Carolina x4
Houston x2
Fresno State
Navy
Rice
Southern Miss x3
Tulane x3
Tulsa x2

Independence x17
Air Force x3
East Carolina
Louisiana Tech x4
Miami U.
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Southern Miss x2
ULM
Wyoming x3

Holiday x9
Colorado St. x3
Hawaii
Navy
San Diego St.
SMU
Wyoming x2

(07-20-2017 08:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Aresco and the American are in a tough spot. The only was to earn the respect of the Power 5 is to play them and beat them. The Power 5 do their best to try to avoid American schools so they don't risk their reputations. Once you start being known as a Power 5 killer that plays outside of the cartel suddenly no one wants to schedule you any more.

If I were Aresco I would push for a 12 team playoff that gives the top G5 conference winner guaranteed access.

Totally false. USF, for one, is having zero problems getting home and homes with P6 schools. Look at their past and future schedules if you don't believe me.

For the Holiday/Sun/Liberty/Independence to work I think you'd have to make them the first pick after CFP.

Using 2016 results.

Holiday-PAC #2
#10 Colorado vs. San Diego St.

Sun-B12 #2
#12 Oklahoma State vs. #24 Temple

Independence-ACC #2
#13 Louisville vs. Western Kentucky

Liberty-B1G #2
Penn State vs. Arkansas St.

Good regional pairings for the G champs.

(07-19-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  [i]
https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

5 of 7 Bowls against G5 and before Christmas. (went 1-4 against "inferior" conferences); 2 games after Christmas against 6-6 P5 schools (went 1-1, win was in OT). Their 2 ranked schools got beat pretty solid. This is not the resume of a superior than other G5 conferences.

Saturday, Dec. 17, 2016
Las Vegas Bowl
San Diego State (11-3) 34, Houston (9-4) 10
Sam Boyd Stadium , Las Vegas, NV 3:30pm ET / ABC

Saturday, Dec. 17, 2016
AutoNation Cure Bowl
Arkansas State (8-5) 31, UCF (6-7) 13
Camping World Stadium, Orlando, FL 5:30pm ET / CBSSN

Monday, Dec. 19, 2016
Miami Beach Bowl
Tulsa (10-3) 55, Central Michigan 10
Marlins Park, Miami, FL 2:30pm ET / ESPN

Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2016
Boca Raton Bowl
WKU (11-3) 51, Memphis (8-5) 31
FAU Stadium, Boca Raton, FL 7pm ET / ESPN

Friday, Dec. 23, 2016
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl
Louisiana Tech (9-5) 48, #25 Navy (9-5) 45
Amon G. Carter Stadium, Fort Worth, TX 4:30pm ET / ESPN

Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2016
Military Bowl
Wake Forest (7-6) 34, #24 Temple (10-4) 26
Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium, Annapolis, MD 3:30pm ET / ESPN

Thursday, Dec. 29, 2016
Birmingham Bowl
USF (11-2) 46, South Carolina (6-7) 39 (OT)
Legion Field, Birmingham, AL 2pm ET / ESPN

(07-20-2017 08:48 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Val and Aresco, I'm glad the C7/BE ended up with who they did. Aresco, while being dealt a weak hand, clearly was able to add no additional value to the AAC's original contract. He talked a big game back then, and then when the details were announced - especially near the BE's new lucrative deal with Fox - it appeared he back tracked and settled on the exposure route (something he continues to do because I feel he knows he would be setting himself up for disappointment when the next TV deal is announced).

You seem to lack the reasoning why the AAC was given a grossly insulting tv deal... A dead walking conference, won't last after year one, all talking heads were saying.

But go ahead keep your nonsense blah blah blah going

(07-20-2017 10:44 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  [i]
https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

5 of 7 Bowls against G5 and before Christmas. (went 1-4 against "inferior" conferences); 2 games after Christmas against 6-6 P5 schools (went 1-1, win was in OT). Their 2 ranked schools got beat pretty solid. This is not the resume of a superior than other G5 conferences.

Saturday, Dec. 17, 2016
Las Vegas Bowl
San Diego State (11-3) 34, Houston (9-4) 10
Sam Boyd Stadium , Las Vegas, NV 3:30pm ET / ABC

Saturday, Dec. 17, 2016
AutoNation Cure Bowl
Arkansas State (8-5) 31, UCF (6-7) 13
Camping World Stadium, Orlando, FL 5:30pm ET / CBSSN

Monday, Dec. 19, 2016
Miami Beach Bowl
Tulsa (10-3) 55, Central Michigan 10
Marlins Park, Miami, FL 2:30pm ET / ESPN

Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2016
Boca Raton Bowl
WKU (11-3) 51, Memphis (8-5) 31
FAU Stadium, Boca Raton, FL 7pm ET / ESPN

Friday, Dec. 23, 2016
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl
Louisiana Tech (9-5) 48, #25 Navy (9-5) 45
Amon G. Carter Stadium, Fort Worth, TX 4:30pm ET / ESPN

Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2016
Military Bowl
Wake Forest (7-6) 34, #24 Temple (10-4) 26
Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium, Annapolis, MD 3:30pm ET / ESPN

Thursday, Dec. 29, 2016
Birmingham Bowl
USF (11-2) 46, South Carolina (6-7) 39 (OT)
Legion Field, Birmingham, AL 2pm ET / ESPN

Two teams that lost thier HC and had only skelaton staffs---and one school on thier 3rd string QB is honhad literally had to come out of the crowd a few weeks before. So 3 of those losses don't really mean much. Hell---SMU beat Houston worse than SDSU did. Congrats to the MW champ beating the 5th place team in the aac west while Houston was forced to use grad assistants to call plays in the booth.

excuses

(07-20-2017 11:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 10:44 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  [i]
https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

5 of 7 Bowls against G5 and before Christmas. (went 1-4 against "inferior" conferences); 2 games after Christmas against 6-6 P5 schools (went 1-1, win was in OT). Their 2 ranked schools got beat pretty solid. This is not the resume of a superior than other G5 conferences.

Saturday, Dec. 17, 2016
Las Vegas Bowl
San Diego State (11-3) 34, Houston (9-4) 10
Sam Boyd Stadium , Las Vegas, NV 3:30pm ET / ABC

Saturday, Dec. 17, 2016
AutoNation Cure Bowl
Arkansas State (8-5) 31, UCF (6-7) 13
Camping World Stadium, Orlando, FL 5:30pm ET / CBSSN

Monday, Dec. 19, 2016
Miami Beach Bowl
Tulsa (10-3) 55, Central Michigan 10
Marlins Park, Miami, FL 2:30pm ET / ESPN

Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2016
Boca Raton Bowl
WKU (11-3) 51, Memphis (8-5) 31
FAU Stadium, Boca Raton, FL 7pm ET / ESPN

Friday, Dec. 23, 2016
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl
Louisiana Tech (9-5) 48, #25 Navy (9-5) 45
Amon G. Carter Stadium, Fort Worth, TX 4:30pm ET / ESPN

Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2016
Military Bowl
Wake Forest (7-6) 34, #24 Temple (10-4) 26
Navy-Marine Corps. Stadium, Annapolis, MD 3:30pm ET / ESPN

Thursday, Dec. 29, 2016
Birmingham Bowl
USF (11-2) 46, South Carolina (6-7) 39 (OT)
Legion Field, Birmingham, AL 2pm ET / ESPN

Two teams that lost thier HC and had only skelaton staffs---and one school on thier 3rd string QB is honhad literally had to come out of the crowd a few weeks before. So 3 of those losses don't really mean much. Hell---SMU beat Houston worse than SDSU did. Congrats to the MW champ beating the 5th place team in the aac west while Houston was forced to use grad assistants to call plays in the booth.

LOL... I was just thinking the same thing, Attackcoog

I've come to realize now that even the lower 5th, 6th place AAC programs are huge eyeball catchers.

(07-20-2017 11:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  excuses

Ok

(07-21-2017 12:03 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 11:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  excuses

Ok

You act as if no other conferences face coaching changes affecting Bowls. There have been 25 coaching changes in the 130 school FBS. If you are a successful G5 coach you are likely to get nabbed right before your Bowl by a P5 school that failed to make a prestigious Bowl. Every G5 conference faces such things. That the AAC faced that last year is proof they are a G5 conference.

Your record is what it is.

As for the P5 schools playing G5, there is always a question of motivation. The "Access" Bowl usually has a highly motivated G5 school and a P5 school that doesn't want to be there. You hoped for USC or Penn State and instead you get Western Michigan or South Florida. To the P5 school it feel like punishment, "you are a NY6 program ... but not one of the top 10 schools ... you're the 11th." Once the game starts they will give it a real effort, but in the practices leading up, a lot of times it's going through the motions I'm sure.

When you get down to the 6-6 P5 schools, it is strictly an early spring practice game. A lot of NFL bound players develop reasons not to suit up. So I get why Aresco doesn't want these games.

(07-20-2017 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For the Holiday/Sun/Liberty/Independence to work I think you'd have to make them the first pick after CFP.

Using 2016 results.

Holiday-PAC #2
#10 Colorado vs. San Diego St.

Sun-B12 #2
#12 Oklahoma State vs. #24 Temple

Independence-ACC #2
#13 Louisville vs. Western Kentucky

Liberty-B1G #2
Penn State vs. Arkansas St.

Good regional pairings for the G champs.

I see a few blowouts. This wouldn't last.........

(07-20-2017 10:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The 4 bowls I am talking about for the G5 (Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Independence) have a lot of tradition with the G5 with all 5 of those conferences represented at one point.

The bowls do NOT care about their history with G5 teams. They're barely keeping their own names rather than sponsor names--the fact than UTEP or Memphis played their in 1984 isn't something they're focused on.