https://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans...1500229048

Nothing on health care on the first page?????

"...When the voting begins, Republican senators need to ask themselves three questions: How would the result affect you? How would it affect your party? How would it affect the country?

On the first question, if any Republican senator sees voting to uphold ObamaCare as politically safer, think again. Trying to reach across the aisle to protect Medicaid’s rate of growth won’t win you any new Democratic votes. But if you desert the GOP, the base won’t forget or forgive. Republicans care passionately about ending ObamaCare. If you cross them on this vote, large numbers will cut you loose. There’s private polling on this, by the way.

The House Freedom Caucus learned this the hard way. In May, when its members blocked the first House health-care bill from going forward, they expected to be hailed as heroes. They weren’t. When a second bill was offered, they did nothing to stop it. They got behind the team and it passed.

If the Republican Party fumbles the Senate vote, it will suffer—and will deserve to. Having made the death of ObamaCare its overriding concern, a GOP that fails to deliver would shatter its credibility. An important element of the Republican brand is its identity as the conservative party. Fewer would see it that way if ObamaCare survives. GOP voter turnout would fall, and the party’s candidates would feel the difference.

What about the country? It wouldn’t benefit from making ObamaCare permanent. Health care would cost more and heal less. A political comeback by Democrats could lead to a single-payer system. Anyone who has experienced medical treatment at a Veterans Administration hospital would find the new system quite familiar.

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky opposes the Senate bill because it leaves too much of ObamaCare in place. But the alternative is to leave all of it in place.

Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada feels the bill’s Medicaid reforms would hurt thousands of his state’s residents and jeopardize his re-election in 2018. But preserving ObamaCare would hurt millions nationwide and his prospects for winning a second term.

Sen. Susan Collins of Maine says the bill won’t “fix the flaws” in ObamaCare. But the alternative would lock those flaws in place, probably forever.

Messrs. Paul and Heller and Ms. Collins are playing politics as if it’s an individual sport, like golf, boxing or gymnastics. In the Senate, only a team can win."

Haven't seen it mentioned, but the health care vote has been postponed while McCain rests at home from eye surgery. They need every single vote.

Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?
So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

No. Nor under any other plan, including Obamacare. That's part of the problem. Our laws are written by people who are not subject to them. Just like Obamacare was.

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

You know the answer to that question.

(07-17-2017 11:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?
So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

No. Nor under any other plan, including Obamacare. That's part of the problem. Our laws are written by people who are not subject to them. Just like Obamacare was.

Under Trumpcare, I won't be able to purchase a policy AT ANY PRICE that covers me comprehensively for major surgery in Texas. I'll be moving to Long Beach, CA if that happens. I know of many that are looking at California. If you're a portable person with assets, and a business that you can move....and between the ages of 30 and 65, you better move if this passes and the GOP states go with scam 'insurance' policies.

And the GOP just put a rider in the Senate Bill exempting them and their staffs from Trumpcare.

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

Moot point aint it? McCain isn't a mere mortal like us peons.

(07-17-2017 11:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

Moot point aint it? McCain isn't a mere mortal like us peons.

I think that if you're an elected lawmaker, your VA benefits should be replaced with the regular benefits that are open to everyone while youre in office. If youre making laws about others healthcare, you should have the same policies that you think are 'good enough' for others.

BTW, there are many that were ineligible for military service during their active duty years. Many of those restrictions were NOT based upon fitness to serve, but rather on discriminatory metrics (such as being a woman, LGBT, etc.).

Any bill that exempts Congress is crap

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(07-17-2017 11:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?
So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

No. Nor under any other plan, including Obamacare. That's part of the problem. Our laws are written by people who are not subject to them. Just like Obamacare was.

Agreed. Other than perhaps hiring based on political preferences, Congress should be subject to all the laws everyone else is.

(07-17-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

Moot point aint it? McCain isn't a mere mortal like us peons.

I think that if you're an elected lawmaker, your VA benefits should be replaced with the regular benefits that are open to everyone while youre in office. If youre making laws about others healthcare, you should have the same policies that you think are 'good enough' for others.

BTW, there are many that were ineligible for military service during their active duty years. Many of those restrictions were NOT based upon fitness to serve, but rather on discriminatory metrics (such as being a woman, LGBT, etc.).

I don't have any problem with him having the same benefits as anyone else in his position who is not a lawmaker. If that means, VA benefits, fine. If that means ACA, fine. But not special benefits not available to the rest of us. He more than earned those Veteran's benefits.

(07-17-2017 11:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

Moot point aint it? McCain isn't a mere mortal like us peons.

I think that if you're an elected lawmaker, your VA benefits should be replaced with the regular benefits that are open to everyone while youre in office. If youre making laws about others healthcare, you should have the same policies that you think are 'good enough' for others.

BTW, there are many that were ineligible for military service during their active duty years. Many of those restrictions were NOT based upon fitness to serve, but rather on discriminatory metrics (such as being a woman, LGBT, etc.).

I don't have any problem with him having the same benefits as anyone else in his position who is not a lawmaker. If that means, VA benefits, fine. If that means ACA, fine. But not special benefits not available to the rest of us. He more than earned those Veteran's benefits.

That's one view. But remember some were not allowed to serve, even though they were fit to do so.

I argue that if you're making laws for others healthcare, then you should suspend any extra benefits while in office.

(07-17-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

Moot point aint it? McCain isn't a mere mortal like us peons.

I think that if you're an elected lawmaker, your VA benefits should be replaced with the regular benefits that are open to everyone while youre in office. If youre making laws about others healthcare, you should have the same policies that you think are 'good enough' for others.

BTW, there are many that were ineligible for military service during their active duty years. Many of those restrictions were NOT based upon fitness to serve, but rather on discriminatory metrics (such as being a woman, LGBT, etc.).

More making up stuff? There aren't very many women still alive (if any) who were around when no women were allowed in the military. Maybe its just your education that is lacking. Try WACS.

As for the gays, plenty of gays who wanted to be in the military served. They just stayed in the closet.

(07-17-2017 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  As for the gays, plenty of gays who wanted to be in the military served. They just stayed in the closet.

How about banning any VA benefits for any straight soldier that had sex during their time in the service or reserves?

4 Republican Senators (Mike Lee of Utah, Jerry Moran of Kansas are the latest two to join Collins and Rand) are now saying it's a no vote. So this one won't get a vote either. At least not in its present stage.

(07-17-2017 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Would I be able to buy a policy that covers me for 100 percent of a surgery like John McCains under Trumpcare?

So, would John McCain's surgery be covered under the Trump plan, at the same level, based upon McCain's status as a US Senator on Trumpcare policies available to the public at the same price and contribution levels as John McCain's.

Spend 5 years being tortured as a POW and I'm sure the United States of America will take care of you when you are an aging Senator.

(07-17-2017 11:41 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Any bill that exempts Congress is crap

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Congress controlling health care is crap.

(07-17-2017 08:34 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:41 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Any bill that exempts Congress is crap

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Congress controlling health care is crap.

This

(07-17-2017 08:34 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:41 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Any bill that exempts Congress is crap

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Congress controlling health care is crap.

Any branch of the federal government is crap. It's not a Constitutional responsibility.