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Info for young ACC fans or those new to the ACC
For those of you who think ACC football sucked before adding Florida State, it has become evident that some history is in order.

In 1950 the Southern Conference had continued for 17 years since the 13 SEC schools pulled out of a too large confernece. Duke, Clemson, and UNC went to 2 Rose Bowls, 3 Cotton Bowls, and 3 Orange Bowls in that time period. Hardly small time football.

However in 1950 the small schools in the SoCon voted in West Virginia and set off ticking time bomb.

In 50 Clemson was undefeated and won the Orange Bowl. They had a single tie to SC. MD and Duke had winning and
In 1951 MD was undefeated and won the Sugar Bowl and were national champs
In 1952 The SoCon installed a bowl ban, and put MD on a year's probation for playing in the Orange Bowl. Duke won the SoCon and lost a Gator Bowl Bid due to the ban.
In 1953 Clemson, MD, SC, NCSU, UNC, WF, and Duke pulled out. MD invited UVa. UVa along with MD, Duke, and SC blackballed VT and WVa. VT's president was running the league at the time of the ban and WVa voted with them. MD went to the Orange Bowl that year.
In 1954 Duke went to the Orange Bowl
In 1955 MD went to the Orange Bowl
In 1956 Clemson went to the Orange Bowl
In 1957 Duke took NC State's place in the Orange Bowl due to a basketball related probation engineered by Kentucky.
In 1958 Clemson went to the Cotton Bowl
In 1960 Duke went to the Cotton Bowl
In 1962 The ACC at Duke's behest passed the 800 SAT rule over Clemson and SC's outcry. Duke turned down a Gator Bowl Bid
In 1963, Duke, UNC, NC State, and Clemson had winnng recrods
In 1964 not a SINGLE SCHOOL had a winning record
In 1965 just Clemson and Duke had winning records
In 1966 just Clemson had a winning record
In 1967 just Clemson and NC State had winning records
In 1968 just NC State and UVa had winning records
In 1969 just South Carolina had a winning record

The ACC went from major conference football to second tier in just two years after passing the 800 Rule. That was Duke and Eddie Cameron pushing that (sound familiar Cameron Indoor Stadium) MD went along because they were recruiting smarter kids from the mid-atlantic from better high school and MD was tired of the shenanigans under Tatum. WF and UVa went along. Duke needed one more vote - guess who they got - it wasn't Carolina's.

MD recovered first and by 1976 there were 11-1 and choking in the Cotton Bowl. In 1978 Clemson beat them and cost them the Gator Bowl (A Charlie Pell team that was as crooked as Bill Tatum in his heyday - but Tatum's day was almost two decades past and the ACC was different. In 1982 a loss to Clemson cost MD the real ACC title (even though Clemson was on probation - the loss cost MD a better bowl.

So, when the issue of "who stuck it to Clemson" comes up - the answer is a combination of Maryland, Bob James, and themselves for hiring Charlie Pell on the heels of two sorry coaches and no succession plan for Frank Howard.

When the issue of why ACC football was so far behind other conferences the answer is a Duke, supported by MD.

Every league decision since the hiring of Gene Corrigan in the late 80's was made to promote football - every decision. Even UNC's and Duke's backdoor power play on UVa for VT was a FOOTBALL decision for them and it was the right decision, otherwise VT is likely in the SEC instead of Mizzou. Or worse yet in the B10 with MD
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I had the Ravioli tonight.
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So many errors....


Clemson and Maryland were not put on probation by the SoCon, they were suspended. Both had accepted bowl bids the year before. SoCon teams were prohibited from playing either school so as a result the SC Legislature passed a one time law requiring Clemson and South Carolina play that year. This is the source of the often quoted but false statement that there is a law requiring Clemson to play South Carolina.

The additional probation period added to Clemson in 1984 was at the behest of UNC, not Maryland. Maryland and Wake Forest walked out of the meeting and they were recorded as "NO" votes. Dick Dull and Gene Hooks walked out of the meeting in protest because it was a violation of ACC rules.

And while Charlie Pell was dirty he wasn't any dirtier than Monte Kiffin. Ol' Monte rolled over on Clemson to cover his own ass.
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(07-15-2017 09:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So many errors....


Clemson and Maryland were not put on probation by the SoCon, they were suspended. Both had accepted bowl bids the year before. SoCon teams were prohibited from playing either school so as a result the SC Legislature passed a one time law requiring Clemson and South Carolina play that year. This is the source of the often quoted but false statement that there is a law requiring Clemson to play South Carolina.

The additional probation period added to Clemson in 1984 was at the behest of UNC, not Maryland. Maryland and Wake Forest walked out of the meeting and they were recorded as "NO" votes. Dick Dull and Gene Hooks walked out of the meeting in protest because it was a violation of ACC rules.

And while Charlie Pell was dirty he wasn't any dirtier than Monte Kiffin. Ol' Monte rolled over on Clemson to cover his own ass.



1. Probation/Suspension by the SoCon - call it what you will Kap. Spilt that oh so thin hair. Your as bad as a Fire Chief splitting hairs about NFPA with the ISO folks.

2. Why do perpetuate that lie about UNC?

Seems like you forget that the Commissioner at the time was a MD man. It doesn't matter that Hooks and Dull didn't want to give you an extra year - what matters is that James could have fixed it for you and did not. You could have understood the conference bylaws and acted accordingly and you did not. Plus UNC certainly didn't make you give out so much cash money that everyone knew about it from Tuscaloosa to Raleigh.

3. Sorry that the NCAA came to talk some NC State players about Clemson recruiting tactics and Kiffin didn't tell Ford. That's not rolling over, but believe what you want. Defending Charlie Pell - that's a good one.
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bowl games in which the ACC champion played by year:

[Image: WhereDidACCchampGoBowling.png]

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/...g-way.html
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(07-16-2017 06:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  bowl games in which the ACC champion played by year:

[Image: WhereDidACCchampGoBowling.png]

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/...g-way.html

That a great visual.

The ACC should have taken the Southern Conference records from 1933-1952 like the Pacific 5 did from the old PCAA. They fell apart worse than the ACC/SoCon split, but I have always been told that the reason the ACC left the records behind was because UNC didn't really want them because it showed Duke to be the preeminent power in the Conference.

Duke had the best overall football during the period and the always the second best basketball. NC State has the best basketball after 1946, and UNC the best before 1945 IIRC.
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RE: Info for young ACC fans or those new to the ACC
The 13 SEC teams left in 1933 - leaving the future ACC schools behind.

1936 - Duke - Ranked 11th
1938 - Duke - Ranked 3 - 39 Rose Bowl
1939 - Clemson - Ranked 12th - 40 Cotton bowl
1939 - Duke - Ranked 8th
1941 - Duke - Ranked 12th - 42 Rose Bowl (Played In Durham)
1944 - Duke - Ranked 11th - 45 Sugar Bowl
1945 - Duke - Ranked 13th
1947 - UNC - Ranked 9th - 48 Sugar Bowl
1947 - NC State - Gator Bowl
1948 - UNC - Ranked 9th - 49 Sugar Bowl
1948 - Clemson - Ranked 11th
1948 - Duke - 1950 Gator Bowl
1949 - UNC - Ranked 3rd - 49/50 Cotton Bowl
1949 - MD - Gator Bowl
1950 - Clemson - Ranked 10th
1951 - MD - Ranked 3rd - Sugar Bowl
1952 - MD - Ranked 13th
1953 - MD - Ranked 1 - Orange Bowl
1954 - Duke - Ranked 14th
1954 - MD - Ranked 8th
1955 - MD - Ranked 3rd - Orange Bowl
1956 - Clemson - Ranked 10th - Orange Bowl
1957 - Duke - Orange Bowl
1957 - NC State Ranked 14th
1958 - Clemons ranked 12th - 1959 Sugar Bowl
1959 - Clemson ranked 11th
1960 - Duke ranked 10th - 1961 Cotton Bowl

Over that 25 year span there were only three years where a conference school did not play in a Major Bowl, or was ranked in the top 15. The Bowl Ban that VT passed would not have passed had West Virginia, then newly admitted to the league, not voted for it. VT's president had to propose something due to the massive cheating scandal at William and Mary - he had too much pressure from the Virginia General Assembly, but no one expected WVa to support it and that's why VT and West Va were blackballed when MD, Clemson, SC, and Duke pulled out.

UNC, NC State were just along for the ride. MD had already contacted UVa about rejoining the group (they had left in 1936 - due in part to UNC). NC State and UNC prevailed on Duke to allow WF to join since they were then located just 25 miles from Duke, NC State, and UNC.

UNC tried to get VT back in but their motion failed 4-4 (UVa was admitted before that vote). UNC then made a motion for West Va. and it died for lack of a second.

VT's last real shot came in 1965 as the issue was discussed but MD remained made and UVa did not want them. That's why they dangled another 40 years.

This history is why it's possible for Maryland to come back to the ACC, but don't expect in your lifetime. 2060 at the earliest.
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(07-16-2017 03:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UNC then made a motion for West Va. and it died for lack of a second.

03-lmfao

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(07-16-2017 03:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This history is why it's possible for Maryland to come back to the ACC, but don't expect in your lifetime. 2060 at the earliest.

Well thank God for that.
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(07-20-2017 12:39 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 03:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This history is why it's possible for Maryland to come back to the ACC, but don't expect in your lifetime. 2060 at the earliest.

Well thank God for that.

Well, might have sooner, but only IF they bring Penn State with them. 03-lmfao

Cheers,
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(07-20-2017 01:58 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(07-20-2017 12:39 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 03:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This history is why it's possible for Maryland to come back to the ACC, but don't expect in your lifetime. 2060 at the earliest.

Well thank God for that.

Well, might have sooner, but only IF they bring Penn State with them. 03-lmfao

Cheers,
Neil

Ok, so after conference grow to 24+ and then that breaks apart it will be ok.
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