I wouldn't recommend being an intern for psycho joe. Paid or unpaid

(07-12-2017 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:43 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Then don't take part in the market.

If you want the benefits of being in a market you have to deal with your actions and the impact on other participants.

Your idiology isn't a governing theory here.

In other words....If I decide it is in my self interest to contract with someone and not get paid for my labor?...Then you say I should be prohibited from doing so by law. Im sorry...I could never get on board with that...ever.

It's just amazing being in from the wilderness isn't it?

Yes. You are a market participant and are governed by the rules of that market. If you don't like it you are free to not take part.

Just once...Id like to see us "free market" folks actually be "free market" and not bring a gun in the room every time things don't suit our self interests.. What about the self interests of others that want to have their labor valued as they see fit? Do they suddenly not matter because they "choose" to voluntarily contract outside of our proscribed box? At what point does this become nothing more than full out Marxism? Pretty scary schit IMO.

You don't place your own value on goods in a market-the market does.

It's nothing to do with Marxism or anything else idioloical.

Im sorry but Id disagree on both counts. If I choose to work for free or even a wage less than the marketplace standard?...I made that decision voluntarily. There was no coercive force involved. Marxism is ALL governmental coercion and control of the labor market. The minimum wage is quazi Marxist. Not allowing people to work for free?..damn sure is.

(07-12-2017 08:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The very same people that are against paying interns are those in favor of raising the minimum wage. Mind boggling

Not a surprise to me. The love bringing a gun into the room to solve problems that the market could do without coercion. It is just the chicken schit way to address a problem. Bring a government solution in.

(07-12-2017 10:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I wouldn't recommend being an intern for psycho joe. Paid or unpaid

Boom!

(07-13-2017 05:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In other words....If I decide it is in my self interest to contract with someone and not get paid for my labor?...Then you say I should be prohibited from doing so by law. Im sorry...I could never get on board with that...ever.

It's just amazing being in from the wilderness isn't it?

Yes. You are a market participant and are governed by the rules of that market. If you don't like it you are free to not take part.

Just once...Id like to see us "free market" folks actually be "free market" and not bring a gun in the room every time things don't suit our self interests.. What about the self interests of others that want to have their labor valued as they see fit? Do they suddenly not matter because they "choose" to voluntarily contract outside of our proscribed box? At what point does this become nothing more than full out Marxism? Pretty scary schit IMO.

You don't place your own value on goods in a market-the market does.

It's nothing to do with Marxism or anything else idioloical.

Im sorry but Id disagree on both counts. If I choose to work for free or even a wage less than the marketplace standard?...I made that decision voluntarily. There was coercive force involved. Marxism is ALL governmental coercion and control of the labor market. The minimum wage is quazi Marxist. Not allowing people to work for free?..damn sure is.

Do you really believe that? In many industries unpaid interns are the norm. In others it isn't. If you're majoring in one of the industries that typically doesn't pay what choice do you really have to get relevant work experience?

Further you're ******* the kid over who can't afford to work for free. Not everybody's mommy and daddy can foot the bill while they're in college.

(07-13-2017 05:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In other words....If I decide it is in my self interest to contract with someone and not get paid for my labor?...Then you say I should be prohibited from doing so by law. Im sorry...I could never get on board with that...ever.

It's just amazing being in from the wilderness isn't it?

Yes. You are a market participant and are governed by the rules of that market. If you don't like it you are free to not take part.

Just once...Id like to see us "free market" folks actually be "free market" and not bring a gun in the room every time things don't suit our self interests.. What about the self interests of others that want to have their labor valued as they see fit? Do they suddenly not matter because they "choose" to voluntarily contract outside of our proscribed box? At what point does this become nothing more than full out Marxism? Pretty scary schit IMO.

You don't place your own value on goods in a market-the market does.

It's nothing to do with Marxism or anything else idioloical.

Im sorry but Id disagree on both counts. If I choose to work for free or even a wage less than the marketplace standard?...I made that decision voluntarily. There was coercive force involved. Marxism is ALL governmental coercion and control of the labor market. The minimum wage is quazi Marxist. Not allowing people to work for free?..damn sure is.

I think you are letting the Marxist idea backslide too far.

We are just getting barely outside Hobbes' state of nature.

We have rules that govern the market and since we are just fresh in from the wilderness we have rules and those rules protect everybody.

I don't think it's right to view this through the prism of capitalism v. marxism. That's getting a little too far down the road.

(07-13-2017 08:35 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 05:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's just amazing being in from the wilderness isn't it?

Yes. You are a market participant and are governed by the rules of that market. If you don't like it you are free to not take part.

Just once...Id like to see us "free market" folks actually be "free market" and not bring a gun in the room every time things don't suit our self interests.. What about the self interests of others that want to have their labor valued as they see fit? Do they suddenly not matter because they "choose" to voluntarily contract outside of our proscribed box? At what point does this become nothing more than full out Marxism? Pretty scary schit IMO.

You don't place your own value on goods in a market-the market does.

It's nothing to do with Marxism or anything else idioloical.

Im sorry but Id disagree on both counts. If I choose to work for free or even a wage less than the marketplace standard?...I made that decision voluntarily. There was coercive force involved. Marxism is ALL governmental coercion and control of the labor market. The minimum wage is quazi Marxist. Not allowing people to work for free?..damn sure is.

Do you really believe that? In many industries unpaid interns are the norm. In others it isn't. If you're majoring in one of the industries that typically doesn't pay what choice do you really have to get relevant work experience?

Further you're ******* the kid over who can't afford to work for free. Not everybody's mommy and daddy can foot the bill while they're in college.

Im not concerned with but one thing. The use of governmental force inhibiting me from voluntarily choosing to work for free if I choose. It is no one's business but mine.