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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?
UCF is returning 3 at 37 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Teams lose kids every year. We are bringing in more than any other team in the AAC this offseason, again the #1 class in the AAC.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Maybe you should take a break from Tiger basketball until they can meet your standards for entertainment.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 09:29 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?
UCF is returning 3 at 37 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Teams lose kids every year. We are bringing in more than any other team in the AAC this offseason, again the #1 class in the AAC.

Quote:SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Yes, they should be concerned, but they are coming off of 30-5, 25-5, 27-7 and 27-10 seasons. One potentially bad season isn't the end of the world, and even if it is the end for them, they are frigging SMU, so who cares?

I hope you aren't trying to compare a program like SMU with their history, tradition, past accomplishments to our program, because that would be insane. I also hope that you aren't comparing the impact of their concern after 4 successful seasons at a school with low expectations to our last 3 seasons, with our expectations, because that would be insane.

When I compared Pastner's first 5 seasons with the first 5 seasons of very successful coaches, or showed just how few coaches made the tournament 4 seasons in a row, I was often told that what happens at other schools doesn't matter; all that mattered was Memphis.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot we have posters inexplicably trying to defend Tubby with crazy statements, comparing us to schools like SMU and UCF.

We have posters who insisted for years that the AAC was crap and Pastner didn't deserve any credit because making the tournament was easier because we weren't in a P5 league, and now posters are inexplicably beating their chests because we have the top recruiting class in the previously crappy AAC and beating their chests for a class ranked #55 nationally, no less.

Unbelievable.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 09:41 AM)Smith Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.

Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:41 AM)Smith Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.

Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.

Actually, its the players (and those who work for him) to get onboard & support the program..........SMH 01-wingedeagle
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Maybe you should take a break from Tiger basketball until they can meet your standards for entertainment.

My standard for entertainment is for the players to try their best, get good grades and stay out of jail. I have managed to be entertained by teams coached by Larry Porter, Tic Price, Johnny Jones, Fuente's first two teams, and even Tommy West's last couple of teams.

I am bright enough to understand that these are kids playing a game and most of them are good kids that are doing their best and that none of us are entitled to any kind of specific performance from any of them.

I am also bright enough to understand, that when you pay a has been $3 million per year; he can't recruit worth a crap, he is worse as public relations than he is as a recruiter, he hires his useless kid to recruit and he guts the entire roster, that he IS accountable, he should be held to a minimum acceptable standard, and he is open to criticism.

Apparently, you aren't.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 10:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:29 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?
UCF is returning 3 at 37 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Teams lose kids every year. We are bringing in more than any other team in the AAC this offseason, again the #1 class in the AAC.

Quote:SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Yes, they should be concerned, but they are coming off of 30-5, 25-5, 27-7 and 27-10 seasons. One potentially bad season isn't the end of the world, and even if it is the end for them, they are frigging SMU, so who cares?

I hope you aren't trying to compare a program like SMU with their history, tradition, past accomplishments to our program, because that would be insane. I also hope that you aren't comparing the impact of their concern after 4 successful seasons at a school with low expectations to our last 3 seasons, with our expectations, because that would be insane.

When I compared Pastner's first 5 seasons with the first 5 seasons of very successful coaches, or showed just how few coaches made the tournament 4 seasons in a row, I was often told that what happens at other schools doesn't matter; all that mattered was Memphis.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot we have posters inexplicably trying to defend Tubby with crazy statements, comparing us to schools like SMU and UCF.

We have posters who insisted for years that the AAC was crap and Pastner didn't deserve any credit because making the tournament was easier because we weren't in a P5 league, and now posters are inexplicably beating their chests because we have the top recruiting class in the previously crappy AAC and beating their chests for a class ranked #55 nationally, no less.

Unbelievable.

I think your argument is weak. Teams rebuild. Teams like SMU, UCF, and Memphis were running six man rotations last year for a reason.
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(07-13-2017 10:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:41 AM)Smith Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.

Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.

Actually, its the players (and those who work for him) to get onboard & support the program..........SMH 01-wingedeagle

Ok wing nut buddy. Using that logic, it was the players' fault, not Pastner's; correct?
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(07-13-2017 10:25 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:29 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?
UCF is returning 3 at 37 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Teams lose kids every year. We are bringing in more than any other team in the AAC this offseason, again the #1 class in the AAC.

Quote:SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Yes, they should be concerned, but they are coming off of 30-5, 25-5, 27-7 and 27-10 seasons. One potentially bad season isn't the end of the world, and even if it is the end for them, they are frigging SMU, so who cares?

I hope you aren't trying to compare a program like SMU with their history, tradition, past accomplishments to our program, because that would be insane. I also hope that you aren't comparing the impact of their concern after 4 successful seasons at a school with low expectations to our last 3 seasons, with our expectations, because that would be insane.

When I compared Pastner's first 5 seasons with the first 5 seasons of very successful coaches, or showed just how few coaches made the tournament 4 seasons in a row, I was often told that what happens at other schools doesn't matter; all that mattered was Memphis.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot we have posters inexplicably trying to defend Tubby with crazy statements, comparing us to schools like SMU and UCF.

We have posters who insisted for years that the AAC was crap and Pastner didn't deserve any credit because making the tournament was easier because we weren't in a P5 league, and now posters are inexplicably beating their chests because we have the top recruiting class in the previously crappy AAC and beating their chests for a class ranked #55 nationally, no less.

Unbelievable.

I think your argument is weak. Teams rebuild. Teams like SMU, UCF, and Memphis were running six man rotations last year for a reason.

I'm thrilled that we don't agree because if we did, it would mean that I had a complete mental collapse. I'm grateful that you think that a potential bad season at SMU after seasons of 30-5, 25-5, 27-7 and 27-10, is comparable to our last 3 seasons, how last season ended, how our roster was gutted, and how our program has become a punchline.
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(07-13-2017 10:30 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:41 AM)Smith Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.

Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.

Actually, its the players (and those who work for him) to get onboard & support the program..........SMH 01-wingedeagle

Ok wing nut buddy. Using that logic, it was the players' fault, not Pastner's; correct?

Plenty of room on JP's teams for fault & blame. Never black & white - the story has been already told, debated over & over. At least in Tubby's case he cleaned house to get those onboard who will support the program - or so it seems at this point after one season with JP's guys & an extortionist on his staff.
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(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Maybe you should take a break from Tiger basketball until they can meet your standards for entertainment.

My standard for entertainment is for the players to try their best, get good grades and stay out of jail. I have managed to be entertained by teams coached by Larry Porter, Tic Price, Johnny Jones, Fuente's first two teams, and even Tommy West's last couple of teams.

I am bright enough to understand that these are kids playing a game and most of them are good kids that are doing their best and that none of us are entitled to any kind of specific performance from any of them.

I am also bright enough to understand, that when you pay a has been $3 million per year; he can't recruit worth a crap, he is worse as public relations than he is as a recruiter, he hires his useless kid to recruit and he guts the entire roster, that he IS accountable, he should be held to a minimum acceptable standard, and he is open to criticism.

Apparently, you aren't.

I was being serious. If it frustrates you so much, why not focus your energy on something else? It's not like you can change the current situation.
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(07-13-2017 10:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Maybe you should take a break from Tiger basketball until they can meet your standards for entertainment.

My standard for entertainment is for the players to try their best, get good grades and stay out of jail. I have managed to be entertained by teams coached by Larry Porter, Tic Price, Johnny Jones, Fuente's first two teams, and even Tommy West's last couple of teams.

I am bright enough to understand that these are kids playing a game and most of them are good kids that are doing their best and that none of us are entitled to any kind of specific performance from any of them.

I am also bright enough to understand, that when you pay a has been $3 million per year; he can't recruit worth a crap, he is worse as public relations than he is as a recruiter, he hires his useless kid to recruit and he guts the entire roster, that he IS accountable, he should be held to a minimum acceptable standard, and he is open to criticism.

Apparently, you aren't.

I was being serious. If it frustrates you so much, why not focus your energy on something else? It's not like you can change the current situation.

I just explained in plain English that I am always entertained by Tiger teams regardless of the level of performance.

I know that this will be too much to put on your plate for you to handle, but I will give it a try anyway. Over the last 4 seasons SMU has gone 109-27 with 2 NCAA appearances. They got screwed out of a 3rd appearance by the committee and the other season they were sanctioned and finished 25-5.

Our last 3 seasons we are 56-42 with no NCAA appearances; our roster has been gutted and we are going on our 3rd straight recruiting class without a top 100 recruit.

Obviously, SMU fans should be more willing to cut the coach a bit of slack given the quality of their team the last 4 seasons; which is much different than our last 3 seasons and especially the end of last season. The differences seem obvious to everyone on the planet except you, apparently.

I know you are being serious and that is sad. If you have a smart 6 year old child, nephew or niece, ask them to read what I posted and explain it to you.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 09:29 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

SMU is returning 3 at 27 points per game. Should they be concerned?
UCF is returning 3 at 37 points per game. Should they be concerned?

Teams lose kids every year. We are bringing in more than any other team in the AAC this offseason, again the #1 class in the AAC.

Ten and twenty points is a significant variance to overcome when considering offensive points scored is usually in the 70's range.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Maybe you should take a break from Tiger basketball until they can meet your standards for entertainment.

My standard for entertainment is for the players to try their best, get good grades and stay out of jail. I have managed to be entertained by teams coached by Larry Porter, Tic Price, Johnny Jones, Fuente's first two teams, and even Tommy West's last couple of teams.

I am bright enough to understand that these are kids playing a game and most of them are good kids that are doing their best and that none of us are entitled to any kind of specific performance from any of them.

I am also bright enough to understand, that when you pay a has been $3 million per year; he can't recruit worth a crap, he is worse as public relations than he is as a recruiter, he hires his useless kid to recruit and he guts the entire roster, that he IS accountable, he should be held to a minimum acceptable standard, and he is open to criticism.

Apparently, you aren't.

I'm not overly thrilled about the current state of Tiger basketball either. I'm just not sure what good it does to repeat yourself over and over. Do you have an end goal in mind? You sound like a broken record.
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(07-13-2017 10:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:41 AM)Smith Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.

Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.

Actually, its the players (and those who work for him) to get onboard & support the program..........SMH 01-wingedeagle

Partly but not entirely. That isn't just basketball, that is anything in life. The leader (coach, boss, etc.) has to be able to sell their vision and lead in a way to inspire others to follow. That was one of Josh's big problems.
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(07-12-2017 06:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 06:04 PM)jamammy Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 05:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:41 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Once again certain individuals play ignorant to the fact that if we could of hired him like that as an assistant LSU would of done the same thing or another P5 program.

We are blessed with resources to make Tubby among the highest paid coaches in all college basketball and to build a state-of-the-art faculty. We might have the capacity to hire a high caliber, proven recruiter, but it is a moot point because Tubby prefers to promote the interest of his son over the interest of our program.

Here we go again! It's all Saul's fault... blah, blah

Actually, I think he is saying Tubby and whomever hired Tubby are to blame.

cut the UofM a 15 million dollar check to buy out Tubby and y'all can hire whomever you like...til then, y'all will just have to find a way to deal with it.

Dumbest most asinine reply possible. Why do people like you think the above response IS a response? It's not; it's just more of your third grade nonsense.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 10:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:30 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Never seen so much angst after just 1 year of a coaches tenure

I understand that Pastner underachieved with all of the talent he had, understand that he had his shortcomings, but Pastner improved the first 4 years and in year 5 had a team that halfway through the season could make it to the Sweet 16, and we were ranked, and we were beating ranked teams. No matter how inadequate people thought Pastner was, he made the tournament 4 years in a row and there was legitimate hope that he could make a Sweet 16.

Last year Tubby could have added a David Pellom and Calvin Godfrey and there would have been hope. This year he could have recruited at a high level and retained the roster and there would have been hope.

We are returning 2 players and 17 points per game, Tubby doesn't have a top 100 recruit on the roster and doesn't seem to be in on any for this class.

What hope is there? Next to none. I could have predicted this before Tubby was hired based on his record the last 10 years. Zero years was enough and one year is more than enough reason to not have hope. Not much hope anyway.

Maybe you should take a break from Tiger basketball until they can meet your standards for entertainment.

My standard for entertainment is for the players to try their best, get good grades and stay out of jail. I have managed to be entertained by teams coached by Larry Porter, Tic Price, Johnny Jones, Fuente's first two teams, and even Tommy West's last couple of teams.

I am bright enough to understand that these are kids playing a game and most of them are good kids that are doing their best and that none of us are entitled to any kind of specific performance from any of them.

I am also bright enough to understand, that when you pay a has been $3 million per year; he can't recruit worth a crap, he is worse as public relations than he is as a recruiter, he hires his useless kid to recruit and he guts the entire roster, that he IS accountable, he should be held to a minimum acceptable standard, and he is open to criticism.

Apparently, you aren't.

I was being serious. If it frustrates you so much, why not focus your energy on something else? It's not like you can change the current situation.

I guess there isn't a smart 6 year old available.
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(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:30 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 09:41 AM)Smith Wrote:  Tubby's biggest mistake to me was not letting the Lawson's walk year one. This year is more than likely to year one redux.

Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.

Actually, its the players (and those who work for him) to get onboard & support the program..........SMH 01-wingedeagle

Ok wing nut buddy. Using that logic, it was the players' fault, not Pastner's; correct?

Plenty of room on JP's teams for fault & blame. Never black & white - the story has been already told, debated over & over. At least in Tubby's case he cleaned house to get those onboard who will support the program - or so it seems at this point after one season with JP's guys & an extortionist on his staff.

In Tubby's own words, Clergeot was his kind of player. Crawford started the season excited, making public statements about how it was great to play for a coach who was a great teacher and then leaves for Ole Piss.

Neither Tubby's fault I guess. It's amazing how people have no problem at all talking out of both ends.
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RE: Memphis Tigers announce addition of Butch Pierre
(07-13-2017 03:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:30 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Tubby's mistake was not getting along with the Lawsons.

Actually, its the players (and those who work for him) to get onboard & support the program..........SMH 01-wingedeagle

Ok wing nut buddy. Using that logic, it was the players' fault, not Pastner's; correct?

Plenty of room on JP's teams for fault & blame. Never black & white - the story has been already told, debated over & over. At least in Tubby's case he cleaned house to get those onboard who will support the program - or so it seems at this point after one season with JP's guys & an extortionist on his staff.

In Tubby's own words, Clergeot was his kind of player. Crawford started the season excited, making public statements about how it was great to play for a coach who was a great teacher and then leaves for Ole Piss.

Neither Tubby's fault I guess. It's amazing how people have no problem at all talking out of both ends.

Crawford left when the team blew up. It's his last year, who could blame the guy.

Not sure about Clergeot. He really wasn't going to be a really good player so who cares? I'd rather have the open scholarship.. My guess is that he decided to give Tubby the F you when his buddies did...
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