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RE: If conferences grow
(07-10-2017 07:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  If the power conferences grow to 16 or more do you think the MAC should follow suit? Maybe some of the power houses of the FCS like North Dakota State, South Dakota State, New Hampshire etc. I was putting together a idea of FBS being 8 conferences of 20 teams each and I came up with this MAC lineup and I actually really loved it and I think it would make an already fun to watch MAC conference that much more exciting. Stretching from New England to the Great Plains.

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Illinois St

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green

I had James Madison in another conference but they could easily replace Maine but I like their rivalry with New Hampshire. Oh and all members would be all in for all sports including UMass.

Long off season, let me know what you guys think.


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(09-05-2017 02:23 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 07:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  If the power conferences grow to 16 or more do you think the MAC should follow suit? Maybe some of the power houses of the FCS like North Dakota State, South Dakota State, New Hampshire etc. I was putting together a idea of FBS being 8 conferences of 20 teams each and I came up with this MAC lineup and I actually really loved it and I think it would make an already fun to watch MAC conference that much more exciting. Stretching from New England to the Great Plains.

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Illinois St

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green

I had James Madison in another conference but they could easily replace Maine but I like their rivalry with New Hampshire. Oh and all members would be all in for all sports including UMass.

Long off season, let me know what you guys think.


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RE: If conferences grow
(09-03-2017 07:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  Liberty has a ton of $$$... If the MAC ever expands, Liberty and James Madison would be a nice doable road trips for most MAC members... Granted, some of that LU ideology would be an issue for some, and that JMU would have to make the move up to FBS... We could do worse, but probably staying at 12 is the safest bet... 04-cheers
There will be a point that some conference will be willing to swallow the liberty pill because of the public interest.

I think it will be the CUSA breakaway willing to swallow that pill if when it ever happens. They dont seem to care as much about Liberty's baggage.

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It appears CUSA has already said no to Liberty membership as recently as last year.

Liberty's request for CUSA membership turned down
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RE: If conferences grow
I hope the G5 breaks off and does its own thing.
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(09-08-2017 10:34 AM)george14 Wrote:  I hope the G5 breaks off and does its own thing.

Id assume about 15 G5 teams would have a winning record in a P5 conference and 15 P5 teams would have a losing record in the G5.

If you brought...
Boise State
Fresno State
SDSU
CSU
WKU
USM
Houston
Memphis
Cincy
Toledo
Ohio
ECU
Temple
Tulsa
Navy
Etc.... Down to another league.... Or seperated further from what it is now? Youd have a riot from the few who do have terrific history and a LOUD voice in the cfb world. Not to mention the NIU's and USF's who enjoy success in pockets and love their football.

It would take away major shots from guys like Kareem Hunt to show their stuff and prove that the team he is on belongs on the field with those who have the large recruiting and money advantage but passed up on them.
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RE: If conferences grow
(09-08-2017 11:14 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Id assume about 15 G5 teams would have a winning record in a P5 conference and 15 P5 teams would have a losing record in the G5.

If you brought...
Boise State
Fresno State
SDSU
CSU
WKU
USM
Houston
Memphis
Cincy
Toledo
Ohio
ECU
Temple
Tulsa
Navy
Etc.... Down to another league.... Or seperated further from what it is now? Youd have a riot from the few who do have terrific history and a LOUD voice in the cfb world. Not to mention the NIU's and USF's who enjoy success in pockets and love their football.

It would take away major shots from guys like Kareem Hunt to show their stuff and prove that the team he is on belongs on the field with those who have the large recruiting and money advantage but passed up on them.

It's just my opinion because it's worthless to have a false sense of hope for G5 schools to win anything major. Sure, we had cinderellas like Boise, TCU, Utah but no current G5 team is ever going to compete in the CFP. The only way that would be possible is if they had a crazy stacked OOC schedule. We are just going to see teams get routinely hosed. WMU was 13-0 last year and ranked what, #13? I know it's cool to say we are "FBS", but in reality many MAC teams are inferior to plenty of FCS teams. So personally, it makes no difference. Last year alone I think the MAC lost to FCS teams 4 times?

I would rather have the P5 be it's own thing, the G5 be it's own thing, and crown champions that way. Then, do like they do in soccer and have some type of promotion/relegation system. I know this will never happen, but it seems fair to me. I don't think it's really a huge difference. I mean can the standard college football fan even name every MAC school? No. It's not really a shot to my pride. I just know my teams place I guess.
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RE: If conferences grow
(09-08-2017 04:00 PM)george14 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 11:14 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Id assume about 15 G5 teams would have a winning record in a P5 conference and 15 P5 teams would have a losing record in the G5.

If you brought...
Boise State
Fresno State
SDSU
CSU
WKU
USM
Houston
Memphis
Cincy
Toledo
Ohio
ECU
Temple
Tulsa
Navy
Etc.... Down to another league.... Or seperated further from what it is now? Youd have a riot from the few who do have terrific history and a LOUD voice in the cfb world. Not to mention the NIU's and USF's who enjoy success in pockets and love their football.

It would take away major shots from guys like Kareem Hunt to show their stuff and prove that the team he is on belongs on the field with those who have the large recruiting and money advantage but passed up on them.

It's just my opinion because it's worthless to have a false sense of hope for G5 schools to win anything major. Sure, we had cinderellas like Boise, TCU, Utah but no current G5 team is ever going to compete in the CFP. The only way that would be possible is if they had a crazy stacked OOC schedule. We are just going to see teams get routinely hosed. WMU was 13-0 last year and ranked what, #13? I know it's cool to say we are "FBS", but in reality many MAC teams are inferior to plenty of FCS teams. So personally, it makes no difference. Last year alone I think the MAC lost to FCS teams 4 times?

I would rather have the P5 be it's own thing, the G5 be it's own thing, and crown champions that way. Then, do like they do in soccer and have some type of promotion/relegation system. I know this will never happen, but it seems fair to me. I don't think it's really a huge difference. I mean can the standard college football fan even name every MAC school? No. It's not really a shot to my pride. I just know my teams place I guess.

P5 conferences are too stable to let MAC or MWC or CUSA move up into their tier. That's a pipe dream. The system is fine. Being ranked 10th and winning a NY6 is a good goal and proves we belong. Having more teams in the G5 compete for that spot is a terrific thing and what we should want. A team like Houston could have had a playoff resume last season. It happens from time to time. ALSO, TCU and Utah moved up.... why can't Colorado State or Boise State or anyone else? Keeping the G5 within the same league as the P5 allows for those jumps to happen! Getting 4 chances at an upset of a P5 allows a school to get recognition and make enough noise to make that jump for big boys every week. IMO TCU got lucky with other sports having a decent tradition, but them as a program NOW.... is nothing like they had back when they played in the MWC. It's not the league that makes a team. It's the coaches, players, culture etc.
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RE: If conferences grow
To increase fan interest and expand into more fertile regional markets, I’d prefer something more like this:

MAC:

North - NIU, CMU, WMU, EMU

South - Missouri St., Arkansas St., Ill. St., Ball St.

Central - Miami, Ohio, Toledo, Marshall

East - Buffalo, Kent, Akron, BG
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(09-09-2017 12:45 PM)Blitz Wrote:  To increase fan interest and expand into more fertile regional markets, I’d prefer something more like this:

MAC:

North - NIU, CMU, WMU, EMU

South - Missouri St., Arkansas St., Ill. St., Ball St.

Central - Miami, Ohio, Toledo, Marshall

East - Buffalo, Kent, Akron, BG

A lot of teams, but I kind of like that setup...04-cheers
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(09-09-2017 03:33 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(09-09-2017 12:45 PM)Blitz Wrote:  To increase fan interest and expand into more fertile regional markets, I’d prefer something more like this:

MAC:

North - NIU, CMU, WMU, EMU

South - Missouri St., Arkansas St., Ill. St., Ball St.

Central - Miami, Ohio, Toledo, Marshall

East - Buffalo, Kent, Akron, BG

A lot of teams, but I kind of like that setup...04-cheers
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RE: If conferences grow
With any of this what are the MAC's weaknesses?

-Bowl games. It doesn't have the right footprint.
-Men's basketball. It could use some help in this department.

UMass/ODU/Charlotte/FIU could help in bowls/basketball.
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(09-11-2017 10:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With any of this what are the MAC's weaknesses?

-Bowl games. It doesn't have the right footprint.
-Men's basketball. It could use some help in this department.

UMass/ODU/Charlotte/FIU could help in bowls/basketball.

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If the MAC is going to expand I think it will take a move to 16 to do something significant enough to change the character of the conference.

UMass (A10)
Illinois St (MVC)
Old Dominion (CUSA)
Charlotte (CUSA)

Take as much value from peer conferences as possible to try and create a better overall conference.

FB-BB divisions would function as almost separate conferences with so many members. This is what we want because West schools don't want to play schools in the East that much ect.

It would at least make the MAC more interesting, a common complaint among fans.
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(09-13-2017 08:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the MAC is going to expand I think it will take a move to 16 to do something significant enough to change the character of the conference.

UMass (A10)
Illinois St (MVC)
Old Dominion (CUSA)
Charlotte (CUSA)

Take as much value from peer conferences as possible to try and create a better overall conference.

FB-BB divisions would function as almost separate conferences with so many members. This is what we want because West schools don't want to play schools in the East that much ect.

It would at least make the MAC more interesting, a common complaint among fans.

I agree with this. Charlotte's kind of far for the MAC, though.
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Created a thread and this is the last post currently. As you can imagine there are all kinds of views.

Quote:Just think we need to be open minded with possible options. Basketball can take the Calipari approach, play anyone any where to compensate for the weaker MAC BB. MAC women's BB is probably stronger than the A10 as well as men's soccer. The main rub is A10 basketball.

Talking a parlay association in 2020-2021, if recruiting drops off. Then see how it works out for both parties when the MAC and Big East are in re-negotiations for their media contracts in 2025 for 2027. The A10 basketball could be weaker with a raid from the Big East. Think with the AAC picking up Wichita State, they go to 4 teams and A10 goes to 2 teams in the big dance as earlier as this year.

http://umass.247sports.com/Board/59480/C...-107262135

PS What was suppose to be a MAC game will be on ESPNU tonight: Temple vs UMass
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(09-08-2017 10:34 AM)george14 Wrote:  I hope the G5 breaks off and does its own thing.

If major conferences for 4 super conferences, they will be breaking off from the NCAA within a decade. Will be interesting to see what G5 does with a little more leverage over the NCAA.
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If the G-5 were to re-organize into 16 team conferences this is what I'd like to see with the MW/AAC/MAC/SUN and IND schools.

1st Notre Dame would become a P-5 team, leaving 64 teams. There would probably be a couple more but let's assume for now they stay the same.

A City School Conference:
East
State University of New York at Buffalo,University of Akron, University of Alabama at Birmingham, University of Arkansas at Little Rock, University of Cincinnati, University of Memphis, University of North Carolina at Charlotte, University of Toledo

West
California State University, Fresno, San Diego State University, San Jose State University, University of Houston, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, University of Texas at Arlington, University of Texas at El Paso, University of Texas at San Antonio

A Regional Schools Conference:
North
Central Michigan University, Coastal Carolina University, East Carolina University, Eastern Michigan University, Middle Tennessee State University, Northern Illinois University, Western Kentucky University, Western Michigan University

South
Florida Atlantic University, Georgia Southern University, University of Central Florida, University of Louisiana at Monroe, University of North Texas, University of South Alabama, University of South Florida, University of Southern Mississippi

A Flagship Conference:
East
Arkansas State University, Ball State University, Florida International University, Georgia State University, Ohio University, Troy University, University of Connecticut, University of Massachusetts Amherst

West
Colorado State University, Louisiana Tech University, Texas State University, University of Hawai'i at Mānoa, University of Nevada, Reno, University of New Mexico, University of Wyoming, Utah State University

An Academy/Private/Best of the Rest Conference
East
Appalachian State University, Bowling Green State University, Kent State University, Marshall University, Miami University, Old Dominion University, Temple University, United States Military Academy (Army)

West
Boise State University, Brigham Young University, Rice University, Southern Methodist University, Tulane University, United States Air Force Academy, University of Louisiana at Lafayette, University of Tulsa

I had to make some choices to balance out the number of teams, however I place teams where I felt they best fit to balance the conferences evenly.
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(09-15-2017 04:24 PM)cashisking884 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:34 AM)george14 Wrote:  I hope the G5 breaks off and does its own thing.

If major conferences for 4 super conferences, they will be breaking off from the NCAA within a decade. Will be interesting to see what G5 does with a little more leverage over the NCAA.

So they break off from the NCAA? That means they are no longer in our division for basketball and olympic sports either.

NCAA march madness there are enough name teams it could survive without the P4 and be successful. More at-large bids for everyone left.
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(09-17-2017 12:07 AM)Rocket_Tree Wrote:  A City School Conference:
East
State University of New York at Buffalo,University of Akron, University of Alabama at Birmingham, University of Arkansas at Little Rock, University of Cincinnati, University of Memphis, University of North Carolina at Charlotte, University of Toledo

They tried that idea already, it was called the Metropolitan Collegiate Athletic Conference07-coffee3
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