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RE: Predictions for primetime OOC games on ACC Network to help draw viewers 2019/20
(07-11-2017 05:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 11:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 08:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 07:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Makes sense... Guarantees carriage in GA and SC, and no game the week before so it doesn't put either team at a disadvantage.

SEC Network launched with Texas A+M vs S Carolina... On a Thursday night.

Which we were going to have anyway, so what's the point?

Probably so... I've heard people question if the ACCN would get full distribution in Georgia (South Carolina was a slam dunk when Clemson football started winning consistently about 5 years ago).

I guess I'm not sure what's the problem with this game (if any) being used to kick off the ACC Network. No doubt it will benefit from the added hype.

It's spelled out in the post by GTS that you quoted. In a conference that has a huge lack of honest to God real rivalries because of it's mix of newness combined with the utter lack of effort put into football by all but one of the legacy members and two of the long-term members and the arbitrary divisions it's wasting your best rivalry on opening weekend for minimal gain. Add in the fact that holding a Thursday night game means having to cancel classes for at least part of the day (and after the absolute chaos trying to hold classes half a day then get the reserved lots cleared for tailgaters by 2 PM back in '13 I wouldn't bet against classes being cancelled all day if the ACC ever subjects us to hosting a Thursday night game again) and it's simply not worth it, especially when you are using one of your two best football properties to try and sell the network. You didn't see Alabama vs Ole Miss or LSU vs Florida open the SEC Network did you? No..it was middle of the West aTm vs middle of the East South Carowhina.

I get it. A more appropriate game (if it must be a cross-division match-up) would be Virginia/Louisville.

That said, unless GA Tech is better than expected that year, GT/Clemson wasn't going to get a better TV slot than this, and if you're ever going to host a Thursday night, opening weekend is the time to do it.

I see both sides of the argument. I suppose the intent is to increase the amount of Georgia and South Carolina subscribers in two states that are considered SEC lean states. But the recent history of the series would seem to indicate that with all showings either on ABC or ESPN, the network does place value on the match-up.

2011 - Clemson/GT - ABC - 8:00PM - SAT
2012 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 3:30PM - SAT
2013 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.04 Rating, 2.06M Viewers
2014 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - Noon - SAT - 1.3 Rating, 1.81M Viewers
2015 - GT/Clemson - ABC - 3:30PM - SAT - ABC/ESPN2 Mirror Game
2016 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.1 Rating, 1.813 M Viewers

So even if this were done, I doubt it would be an annual thing as long as one or both are expected to be good.

Cheers,
Neil
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RE: Predictions for primetime OOC games on ACC Network to help draw viewers 2019/20
(07-11-2017 07:32 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 05:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 11:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 08:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Which we were going to have anyway, so what's the point?

Probably so... I've heard people question if the ACCN would get full distribution in Georgia (South Carolina was a slam dunk when Clemson football started winning consistently about 5 years ago).

I guess I'm not sure what's the problem with this game (if any) being used to kick off the ACC Network. No doubt it will benefit from the added hype.

It's spelled out in the post by GTS that you quoted. In a conference that has a huge lack of honest to God real rivalries because of it's mix of newness combined with the utter lack of effort put into football by all but one of the legacy members and two of the long-term members and the arbitrary divisions it's wasting your best rivalry on opening weekend for minimal gain. Add in the fact that holding a Thursday night game means having to cancel classes for at least part of the day (and after the absolute chaos trying to hold classes half a day then get the reserved lots cleared for tailgaters by 2 PM back in '13 I wouldn't bet against classes being cancelled all day if the ACC ever subjects us to hosting a Thursday night game again) and it's simply not worth it, especially when you are using one of your two best football properties to try and sell the network. You didn't see Alabama vs Ole Miss or LSU vs Florida open the SEC Network did you? No..it was middle of the West aTm vs middle of the East South Carowhina.

I get it. A more appropriate game (if it must be a cross-division match-up) would be Virginia/Louisville.

That said, unless GA Tech is better than expected that year, GT/Clemson wasn't going to get a better TV slot than this, and if you're ever going to host a Thursday night, opening weekend is the time to do it.

I see both sides of the argument. I suppose the intent is to increase the amount of Georgia and South Carolina subscribers in two states that are considered SEC lean states. But the recent history of the series would seem to indicate that with all showings either on ABC or ESPN, the network does place value on the match-up.

2011 - Clemson/GT - ABC - 8:00PM - SAT
2012 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 3:30PM - SAT
2013 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.04 Rating, 2.06M Viewers
2014 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - Noon - SAT - 1.3 Rating, 1.81M Viewers
2015 - GT/Clemson - ABC - 3:30PM - SAT - ABC/ESPN2 Mirror Game
2016 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.1 Rating, 1.813 M Viewers

So even if this were done, I doubt it would be an annual thing as long as one or both are expected to be good.

Cheers,
Neil

It's the ACC seeing that GT vs Clemson is an important game to the ACC and conference fans will subscribe in order to watch the game. Same thing with the SEC network.
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RE: Predictions for primetime OOC games on ACC Network to help draw viewers 2019/20
(07-11-2017 07:39 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 07:32 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  I see both sides of the argument. I suppose the intent is to increase the amount of Georgia and South Carolina subscribers in two states that are considered SEC lean states. But the recent history of the series would seem to indicate that with all showings either on ABC or ESPN, the network does place value on the match-up.

2011 - Clemson/GT - ABC - 8:00PM - SAT
2012 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 3:30PM - SAT
2013 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.04 Rating, 2.06M Viewers
2014 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - Noon - SAT - 1.3 Rating, 1.81M Viewers
2015 - GT/Clemson - ABC - 3:30PM - SAT - ABC/ESPN2 Mirror Game
2016 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.1 Rating, 1.813 M Viewers

So even if this were done, I doubt it would be an annual thing as long as one or both are expected to be good.

Cheers,
Neil

It's the ACC seeing that GT vs Clemson is an important game to the ACC and conference fans will subscribe in order to watch the game. Same thing with the SEC network.

I think these guys are all over it.
1. This will ONLY occur in the inaugural season - after that it's back to ABC/ESPN
2. This is one of few games which is both good enough to drive subscriptions yet not so good that ESPN/ABC have to have it (by comparison, you WON'T see Clemson vs. FSU on the ACC Network - EVER).
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RE: Predictions for primetime OOC games on ACC Network to help draw viewers 2019/20
(07-10-2017 10:44 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I know the conference schedules need to come out but just looking at the OOC there good be some decent games shown on the ACC network if the first month. I think the ACCN will try to have at least one ND game and one P5 vs P5 non conference game on in the first month. Just killing time during this dead period.

2019
08/31 - East Carolina vs NCSU (Believe it or not, I think it draws a bunch of AAC viewers)
09/07 - USF vs GT (See ECU vs NCSU)
09/14 - North Carolina vs Wake (non-ACC game verse two ACC teams)
09/21 - Charlotte vs Clemson


2020
09/05 - Tulane vs Wake (See ECU vs NCSU)
09/12 - Mississippi State VS NCSU (ACC vs SEC need I say more)
09/19 - UCF vs GT (See ECU vs NCSU)
09/26 - East Carolina vs VT (See ECU vs NCSU)
11/09 - Notre Dame vs DUKE (ND and late season)

Also teams still needing games in kinda surprised about Miami in 2019 and the number of teams in 2020.

2019
FSU
GT
MIA (3)

2020
FSU
Clemson
NCSU
SYC (2)
GT
MIA (2)
UNC (2)
Pitt
UVA

I would think ND and WF in Charlotte September 26, 2020 would squeeze a lot of ND fans, I think that is Wake's game, not ND's.
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RE: Predictions for primetime OOC games on ACC Network to help draw viewers 2019/20
(07-11-2017 08:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 07:39 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 07:32 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  I see both sides of the argument. I suppose the intent is to increase the amount of Georgia and South Carolina subscribers in two states that are considered SEC lean states. But the recent history of the series would seem to indicate that with all showings either on ABC or ESPN, the network does place value on the match-up.

2011 - Clemson/GT - ABC - 8:00PM - SAT
2012 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 3:30PM - SAT
2013 - GT/Clemson - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.04 Rating, 2.06M Viewers
2014 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - Noon - SAT - 1.3 Rating, 1.81M Viewers
2015 - GT/Clemson - ABC - 3:30PM - SAT - ABC/ESPN2 Mirror Game
2016 - Clemson/GT - ESPN - 7:30PM - THU - 1.1 Rating, 1.813 M Viewers

So even if this were done, I doubt it would be an annual thing as long as one or both are expected to be good.

Cheers,
Neil

It's the ACC seeing that GT vs Clemson is an important game to the ACC and conference fans will subscribe in order to watch the game. Same thing with the SEC network.

I think these guys are all over it.
1. This will ONLY occur in the inaugural season - after that it's back to ABC/ESPN
2. This is one of few games which is both good enough to drive subscriptions yet not so good that ESPN/ABC have to have it (by comparison, you WON'T see Clemson vs. FSU on the ACC Network - EVER).

As shown above we are taking one of our guaranteed yearly national TV games (One that most certainly has done better than a Thursday night game slot other than when it was forced upon us by the ACC) showing two schools who are located in states that shouldn't have any problem getting carriage and putting it on a fledgling network that most assuredly not going to get anywhere close to the ratings it's gotten in previous years. #goacc

To me it would make more sense to have the initial games on the network be teams from states where you are forecasting problems getting carriage to try and drive interest and demand there. Like I said earlier you didn't see Alabama, LSU, or Florida open the SEC Network. The Big 10 network opened with Michigan playing a then I-AA Appalachian State. Why we feel the need to play one of our annual premiere games is beyond me.
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The only Clemson game that aired on national TV that had a lower viewership than the GT game was Clemson's game against BC (which was a Friday night game).

Yes, the Clemson/GT game was on a Thursday night, but I really think this Clemson/GT rivalry is being overblown when it comes to national relevance.

People are conveniently forgetting that ESPN owns a stake in the ACC Network, so it's not like it's being relegated to no man's land. It's an important property for them, so they're going to put something that draws eyeballs there. If anything, Clemson & GT fans should stop complaining and be happy they're being relied upon to bolster the network from the jump.
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Just a reminder, these were the games on the SEC Network during the first 2 weeks when it launched in 2014:

Texas A&M at South Carolina Thursday 8/28 6:00 PM
Temple at Vanderbilt Thursday 8/28 9:15 PM
UT-Martin at Kentucky Saturday 8/30 12:00 PM
Arkansas at Auburn Saturday 8/30 4:00 PM
Southern Miss at Mississippi St. Saturday 8/30 7:30 PM
Utah St. at Tennessee Sunday 8/31 7:00 PM

FAU at Alabama Saturday 9/6 12:00 PM
Arkansas St. at Tennessee Saturday 9/6 12:00 PM
Eastern Michigan at Florida Saturday 9/6 4:00 PM
Nicholls St. at Arkansas Saturday 9/6 4:00 PM
Sam Houston St. at LSU Saturday 9/6 7:30 PM
Lamar at Texas A&M Saturday 9/6 7:30 PM

BTW, the Ga Tech / Georgia game was on the SEC Network that year. (Big enough for you?)
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(07-11-2017 07:24 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I guess I can understand why Clemson & GT fans would be annoyed, but I don't get the impression that the Clemson/GT rivalry game resonates on a national stage. It's certainly historically important to the ACC and the schools involved, but that doesn't always translate to casual interest.

I do think it's the type of game that's perfect for the inaugural ACC Network lineup though - you get two fanbases who deeply care about the rivalry to help build interest in the platform right out of the gate.

Before expansion, Clemson/GT was always a ESPN or ABC prime time game. GT was Top 15 some of that time. Clemson was Top 15 some of that time. Typically not at the same time though. But that didn't matter. The games were always hyper close ... decided usually by < 4 points on average. And there were some wild endings (Dantzler in too-many-OTs, Godsey to Watkins one handed with 9 seconds left, the bad punt snap that elevates Calvin Johnson to the national spotlight with an exclamation point, etc). That's what made casual fan interest.
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(07-11-2017 05:08 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 11:04 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:51 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This is the one I expect to be there on the 1st Monday of the season:

Monday September 2, 2019: Fighting Irish Notre Dame Fighting Irish visit Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, Louisville, KY Time

With the stadium expansion to 65k do you think y'all could squeeze 70k in for that game?

At least 70K perhaps more. I would look for that game to set attendance records that won't be broken until the final expansion to 80K.

Louisville is a very catholic city with the 2nd largest archdiocese in the country behind Boston. Notre Dame is probably the 2nd most popular college football team in the city behind UofL.

Next to the Inaugural ACC Miami game when Louisville joined back in 2014, I can't remember a more anticipated home opener.
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It would probably take paying Texas A&M some more money but they have an FCS like Clemson scheduled for the first week. Move those to the next to last weekend and that would be an excellent opening game. Problem would be Clemson finishes the season with two OOC games, not sure if they want to do that.
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(07-11-2017 04:10 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  The only Clemson game that aired on national TV that had a lower viewership than the GT game was Clemson's game against BC (which was a Friday night game).

Yes, the Clemson/GT game was on a Thursday night, but I really think this Clemson/GT rivalry is being overblown when it comes to national relevance.

People are conveniently forgetting that ESPN owns a stake in the ACC Network, so it's not like it's being relegated to no man's land. It's an important property for them, so they're going to put something that draws eyeballs there. If anything, Clemson & GT fans should stop complaining and be happy they're being relied upon to bolster the network from the jump.

Exactly, this game is a game the ACC cares about. The rest of the country sees a decent matchup but doesn't really care. If no better games are on they will tune in but many ACC fans will want to tune in since GT likes to play spoiler.
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