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(07-10-2017 10:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:11 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:09 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that EMU is only going to win 2 games this year.

And I believe Vegas set their win total at 4.5...who's with me?

EMU has a tough OOC schedule and then goes into the meat grinder called, "MAC West".

I don't consider (@Kentucky, @Army and @Rutgers) a way to 'fat up the W total. Kentucky is a tough SEC team. Army has been playing better and that game is at West Point. Rutgers IS the huge September game. A W would be a big plus and could propel EMU to 6 or more Ws.

EMU could go 1 - 3 OOC and then that means 5 wins is probably their 'ceiling.'

Tough?

Kentucky, Rutgers, and Army are all winnable games if EMU is halfway decent.

(07-10-2017 07:43 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:11 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:09 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that EMU is only going to win 2 games this year.

And I believe Vegas set their win total at 4.5...who's with me?

EMU has a tough OOC schedule and then goes into the meat grinder called, "MAC West".

I don't consider (@Kentucky, @Army and @Rutgers) a way to 'fat up the W total. Kentucky is a tough SEC team. Army has been playing better and that game is at West Point. Rutgers IS the huge September game. A W would be a big plus and could propel EMU to 6 or more Ws.

EMU could go 1 - 3 OOC and then that means 5 wins is probably their 'ceiling.'

Tough?

Kentucky, Rutgers, and Army are all winnable games if EMU is halfway decent.

The meaning of "halfway decent" in the MAC just went upscale a bit?

An upper tier MAC school (think 7-5 and better) should always have a shot against low-level P5's.

(07-10-2017 08:07 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 07:43 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:11 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:09 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that EMU is only going to win 2 games this year.

And I believe Vegas set their win total at 4.5...who's with me?

EMU has a tough OOC schedule and then goes into the meat grinder called, "MAC West".

I don't consider (@Kentucky, @Army and @Rutgers) a way to 'fat up the W total. Kentucky is a tough SEC team. Army has been playing better and that game is at West Point. Rutgers IS the huge September game. A W would be a big plus and could propel EMU to 6 or more Ws.

EMU could go 1 - 3 OOC and then that means 5 wins is probably their 'ceiling.'

Tough?

Kentucky, Rutgers, and Army are all winnable games if EMU is halfway decent.

The meaning of "halfway decent" in the MAC just went upscale a bit?

I think they all are winnable as well by a halfway decent mac team. Rutgers was a joke last year they wouldnt have stayed within 30 of us and Army lost to Buffalo. Kentucky is winnable by a decent MAC team like a 15% win chance but a crappy MAC team beat ok state last year anything can happen.

As someone who watched his team go from #23 in the nation to 3-9 the next season, I understand people not expecting WMU to win the MAC West. Losing your coach, 3-4 year starter at QB, amazing WR, 1st team All-MAC lineman, 2nd team All-MAC LB, and I'm sure some minor players. WMU will definitely not be as good as last year but I still expect them to be a bowl team. I don't see them falling from grace like CMU did, but someone else said it best, WMU doesn't know what they have yet until they play. But you guys have enough talent returning to be good.


I think Toledo is definitely the MAC West favorite. But this is a year where I feel like we may see a tie at the top between a few teams.

(07-12-2017 09:03 AM)george14 Wrote:  As someone who watched his team go from #23 in the nation to 3-9 the next season, I understand people not expecting WMU to win the MAC West. Losing your coach, 3-4 year starter at QB, amazing WR, 1st team All-MAC lineman, 2nd team All-MAC LB, and I'm sure some minor players. WMU will definitely not be as good as last year but I still expect them to be a bowl team. I don't see them falling from grace like CMU did, but someone else said it best, WMU doesn't know what they have yet until they play. But you guys have enough talent returning to be good.


I think Toledo is definitely the MAC West favorite. But this is a year where I feel like we may see a tie at the top between a few teams.

I don't think we lost a linebacker. Our Defense should be VERY GOOD.

(07-12-2017 09:05 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:03 AM)george14 Wrote:  As someone who watched his team go from #23 in the nation to 3-9 the next season, I understand people not expecting WMU to win the MAC West. Losing your coach, 3-4 year starter at QB, amazing WR, 1st team All-MAC lineman, 2nd team All-MAC LB, and I'm sure some minor players. WMU will definitely not be as good as last year but I still expect them to be a bowl team. I don't see them falling from grace like CMU did, but someone else said it best, WMU doesn't know what they have yet until they play. But you guys have enough talent returning to be good.


I think Toledo is definitely the MAC West favorite. But this is a year where I feel like we may see a tie at the top between a few teams.

I don't think we lost a linebacker. Our Defense should be VERY GOOD.

My mistake, I remember Spillane left the team but apparently he came back?

Looking at WMU's schedule, I would expect an 8-4 or 7-5 season. I think the losses will be USC, MSU, Toledo, another MAC game, and maybe Idaho. Surprisingly Idaho was good last year. That should be a good game.

(07-12-2017 09:05 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:03 AM)george14 Wrote:  As someone who watched his team go from #23 in the nation to 3-9 the next season, I understand people not expecting WMU to win the MAC West. Losing your coach, 3-4 year starter at QB, amazing WR, 1st team All-MAC lineman, 2nd team All-MAC LB, and I'm sure some minor players. WMU will definitely not be as good as last year but I still expect them to be a bowl team. I don't see them falling from grace like CMU did, but someone else said it best, WMU doesn't know what they have yet until they play. But you guys have enough talent returning to be good.


I think Toledo is definitely the MAC West favorite. But this is a year where I feel like we may see a tie at the top between a few teams.

I don't think we lost a linebacker. Our Defense should be VERY GOOD.

That was in reference to Steelers Keion Adams.

I was browsing rosters today and I looked at the number of seniors on each roster. This is a good indicator of experience, and what the drop-off in experience is going to be for the following season.

WMU only has 13 seniors, and that's including a grad transfer.

Toledo has 25 seniors, including Thompson, Woodside, Swanson, Woodley, Nkansah and more. If they can't win the MAC this year...it aint happening in the foreseeable future.

CMU has 23 seniors, which includes their entire starting O-line and secondary. Same as with Toledo, if CMU doesn't get to the MACC, it won't happen under Bono.

EMU - 18
Ball State -12
NIU -19

Akron leads the MAC East and the entire MAC with 26.

(07-14-2017 09:30 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I was browsing rosters today and I looked at the number of seniors on each roster. This is a good indicator of experience, and what the drop-off in experience is going to be for the following season.

WMU only has 13 seniors, and that's including a grad transfer.

Fleck's retention rankings wouldn't match his recruiting rankings.

He could get 'em to sign, but not to stay.

(07-14-2017 01:22 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 09:30 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I was browsing rosters today and I looked at the number of seniors on each roster. This is a good indicator of experience, and what the drop-off in experience is going to be for the following season.

WMU only has 13 seniors, and that's including a grad transfer.

Fleck's retention rankings wouldn't match his recruiting rankings.

He could get 'em to sign, but not to stay.

Yep. There's less than half of the 2014 class left on the team.

(07-14-2017 01:22 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 09:30 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I was browsing rosters today and I looked at the number of seniors on each roster. This is a good indicator of experience, and what the drop-off in experience is going to be for the following season.

WMU only has 13 seniors, and that's including a grad transfer.

Fleck's retention rankings wouldn't match his recruiting rankings.

He could get 'em to sign, but not to stay.

Huh?

Yeah, if only they'd stayed maybe we would've been better...

If they'd have stayed maybe we wouldn't be praying for a QB miracle this year.

Ol Peej knew it was time to get out of dodge.

(07-14-2017 01:22 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 09:30 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I was browsing rosters today and I looked at the number of seniors on each roster. This is a good indicator of experience, and what the drop-off in experience is going to be for the following season.

WMU only has 13 seniors, and that's including a grad transfer.

Fleck's retention rankings wouldn't match his recruiting rankings.

He could get 'em to sign, but not to stay.

Corey Davis stayed. He was ok.

(07-14-2017 04:14 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  Corey Davis stayed. He was ok.

Yes, but he won't help us any this year.

Can we focus on the players who stayed? They are champions. And returned to play under a new coach. Don't they deserve our focus instead of sham wow coach? Jesus get over it already.

Yup, a shame nobody stayed... Okorafor, Keenoy, Wassink, Flacco, Franklin, Bogan, Curtis, Watson, Bellamy, Matich, Spillane, Assoua, Tranquill... if only they stayed... oh wait....

(07-14-2017 05:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Yup, a shame nobody stayed... Okorafor, Keenoy, Wassink, Flacco, Franklin, Bogan, Curtis, Watson, Bellamy, Matich, Spillane, Assoua, Tranquill... if only they stayed... oh wait....

You guys are missing the over arching point... PJ's classes overcame some significant attrition and still brought us huge returns. But there definitely was some significant attrition. If Lester can retain a majority of his classes ( through a better metric of evaluation ) ... there's no reason to think his classes don't compare or beat out PJ's apparent stellar classes... over time. just an observation.

(07-14-2017 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 05:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Yup, a shame nobody stayed... Okorafor, Keenoy, Wassink, Flacco, Franklin, Bogan, Curtis, Watson, Bellamy, Matich, Spillane, Assoua, Tranquill... if only they stayed... oh wait....

You guys are missing the over arching point... PJ's classes overcame some significant attrition and still brought us huge returns. But there definitely was some significant attrition. If Lester can retain a majority of his classes ( through a better metric of evaluation ) ... there's no reason to think his classes don't compare or beat out PJ's apparent stellar classes... over time. just an observation.

You have to take some risks to get premier talent to a MAC school. Corey Davis was a huge gamble by PJ. Some of those gambles won't pan out. I'm willing to have some swings & misses in order to hit the HR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2y...mment_list

It would seem that we've had above average attrition but not by a whole lot. Unless maybe the MAC is way different.