(07-07-2017 03:10 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Also. There should be a trolley station or some form of reliable public transit at the fairgrounds and the UofM, ideally connecting each other.

Regardless of what gets done there, I totally agree with this.

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

location and access could be a problem. While traffic is rough around the hospital, after you get past it then you have a short drive to agricenter. You do not have to come into the center of the city. A SMALL RV area may be OK.

You also take up a lot of space with each RV slot. So it may not be the best use of the limited area.

Would take a large investment improving electrical and plumbing to make a handful of slots available for RV use. At a minimal you would have to double the rating of the electrical outlets in the facility to 30 amps and maybe even triple it to 50 amps for some RVs.

Not to mention other faculties offered at Agricenter such as bathrooms and showers along with laundry facilities.

To make a proper RV facility you would need at least 1/4 or more of the fairgrounds.

(07-07-2017 03:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:05 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:59 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:40 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:33 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Because the UofM doesn't need to be in the business of retail, for one. They have their hands full working alongside the owners involved in the Walker/Highland developments anyway.

They shouldn't be in Retail. But Class A office buildings? Yes.

I already showed you WSU innovation campus. [2]

Let's look at my other alma mater. Georgia Tech. [1] [3]

There's a new movement in moving Corporate Research Centers back into cites. Memphis needs these type of high skilled hi-tech jobs, and Midtown is the perfect place for this type of development. We only need a world class metropolitan research university to anchor it. That's the University of Memphis.

[1] - http://www.gatech.edu/innovation-ecosystem/tech-square
[2] - http://wsuinnovationcampus.org/
[2] - https://hbr.org/2016/03/why-todays-corpo...-in-cities

Don't disagree with the need, but would be better located adjacent to the university or on the south campus, not on the fairgrounds where LB activities would conflict. Can you imagine attempting to commute to or from the fairgrounds with a LB function in progress or receive clients or customers?

Georgia Tech and WSU have on campus stadiums.

The FedEx Institute of Technology and Crews Center for Entrepreneurship are already smaller versions of this on the UofM campus. Sure; it would be great to NEED a massive space like the fairgrounds for something of this nature, but the UofM is nowhere near that level of need (or funding to take on a project of that nature) now.

The FIT is a gem in Memphis. They do a lot for the technology community here.

(07-07-2017 03:19 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:10 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Also. There should be a trolley station or some form of reliable public transit at the fairgrounds and the UofM, ideally connecting each other.

Regardless of what gets done there, I totally agree with this.

Since our FB team is committed to play at the LB for the foreseeable future, I totally agree there should be some form of reliable transport from the campus to the stadium on game days. And it should be encouraged to build gameday support by a much larger student group. Even if it is financed by a slight increase in student fees, it could be supplemented by public use & fees if the university would open up the campus for game day parking too.

But full time transport at other times like a trolly would never pay for its cost.

(07-07-2017 03:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:40 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:33 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  Why doesn't U of Memphis take over operations of the stadium and faigroumds and find a development partner to build mixed use there?

Because the UofM doesn't need to be in the business of retail, for one. They have their hands full working alongside the owners involved in the Walker/Highland developments anyway.

They shouldn't be in Retail. But Class A office buildings? Yes.

I already showed you WSU innovation campus. [2]

Let's look at my other alma mater. Georgia Tech. [1] [3]

There's a new movement in moving Corporate Research Centers back into cites. Memphis needs these type of high skilled hi-tech jobs, and Midtown is the perfect place for this type of development. We only need a world class metropolitan research university to anchor it. That's the University of Memphis.

[1] - http://www.gatech.edu/innovation-ecosystem/tech-square
[2] - http://wsuinnovationcampus.org/
[2] - https://hbr.org/2016/03/why-todays-corpo...-in-cities

http://stadium.gsu.edu

http://www.carterusa.com/projects/summerhill

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More evidence that Memphis is behind Atlanta. That's exactly the right size development for the fairgrounds. GSU is certainly a peer university. If they can do it, we certainly can.

(07-07-2017 03:26 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

location and access could be a problem. While traffic is rough around the hospital, after you get past it then you have a short drive to agricenter. You do not have to come into the center of the city. A SMALL RV area may be OK.

You also take up a lot of space with each RV slot. So it may not be the best use of the limited area.

Would take a large investment improving electrical and plumbing to make a handful of slots available for RV use. At a minimal you would have to double the rating of the electrical outlets in the facility to 30 amps and maybe even triple it to 50 amps for some RVs.

Not to mention other faculties offered at Agricenter such as bathrooms and showers along with laundry facilities.

To make a proper RV facility you would need at least 1/4 or more of the fairgrounds.

You are right about the facilities needs but they are minor in terms of development costs & time. And the space rental pays for it. In terms of space needed, the area bounded by Southern, E. Parkway, Young & Early Maxwell would readily accommodate 75 RV pads with full hookups, bathhouse & laundry facilities. Many such similar sized parks around.

Here's an existing, really nice RV resort with less space than that I have noted above which has room for 80+ such spaces with all of the amenities & more than you have mentioned. http://www.coastlinervresort.com/

At most any SEC game there are hundreds of such RVs being used for game weekend activities/tailgating, arriving on much smaller streets. Central, E. Parkway & Southern could easily handle such traffic. And this type traffic comes early (sometimes days early) & leaves well after the event activities. And the use is very compatible with LB activities, generates revenue without major construction & investment - and would continue to generate revenue aside from LB activities if done correctly. And it would provide needed security to the area including Tiger Lane if managed correctly.

(07-06-2017 07:47 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

The cost to renovate the Coliseum is so much that you could build a new, state of the art, building.

Link? You may be right, but you may be wrong.

There was a poster around here who was claiming that the cost to demolish the MSC was going to be $33 Million.

(07-07-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  I was involved in the stakeholder meetings of the Friends of the Fairgrounds group, and they are an extremely diverse group of civic leaders, residents to the north, south, east & west of the LB, and business owners who want to see that area go to its best use. It's not a developer. The group actually grew from concerned citizens pushing back when the city was trying to force the Lipscomb plan down everyone's throats.

So we're talking about liquor/lotto stores, a microbrew with a hookah shop in back, a solid dose of greensward - even if we have to close some roads, and fish on Fridays?

(07-06-2017 07:06 PM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

After a few months of due diligence the potential owners decided it wasn't feasible and decided to not pursue it.

One might say that was a *Wise* decision.

A large chunk of that real estate should be dedicated to affordable housing initiatives, mixed use retail, restaurant and office space. Give it back to the people.

(07-06-2017 03:36 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  I didn't see this posted anywhere else.

https://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/20...questions/

IMO. They should just give the fairgrounds to the UofM.

The city put out some signals years ago (maybe 10?) that they were willing to GIVE Liberty Bowl Stadium to the University, it was net with a very chilly response.

(07-07-2017 06:30 PM)TG4 Wrote:  A large chunk of that real estate should be dedicated to affordable housing initiatives, mixed use retail, restaurant and office space. Give it back to the people.

Section 8.

Wig shops and check cashing establishments.

Wings restaurants.

Parole offices.

I like it.

(07-07-2017 10:50 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 06:30 PM)TG4 Wrote:  A large chunk of that real estate should be dedicated to affordable housing initiatives, mixed use retail, restaurant and office space. Give it back to the people.

Section 8.

Wig shops and check cashing establishments.

Wings restaurants.

Parole offices.

I like it.

So, basically the Highland Revitalization Projects?

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

You racists really ruin this board. Particularly the way you dance around it.
Go Tigers Go.
Go Memphis.

(07-07-2017 06:30 PM)TG4 Wrote:  A large chunk of that real estate should be dedicated to affordable housing initiatives, mixed use retail, restaurant and office space. Give it back to the people.

You would have a hard time getting that past the neighborhood.

Midtown has seen a revitalization and property values have risen. Low income housing would bring it back down to where it was.

We had some very low rent when i was growing up in that area and a very high crime rate.

Had someone steal a old broken down bicycle frame off my porch.

Came home one evening to find my Chow had someone captured in my bathroom. When he came to meet me at the front the guy ran out the back.

About 30% of my running buddies in the neighborhood are either in prison or dead.

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

Careful now, you've give visitors the idea it's not even safe to attend a game at the LB. Or not safe to visit the adjacent Cooper-Young area. Security is an easy task within the Fairgrounds if handled correctly (the RR ROW provides a separation already, as does the structure of E. Parkway). It can be done with an exterior fence (there used to be a brick wall around the SW area of the FG) an interior fence along Early Maxwell & Young within the Fairgrounds with gated entrance, some landscaping & vegetation. Perfect for an RV Park for game weekend camping/tailgating or a great central location base for travelers thru Memphis to see historic sites & attractions, visit adjacent CY/Overton Sq for eats & evening entertainment. The attraction of the Agricenter IS the greenspace - different strokes for different folks. And that camping space stays pretty books so there has to be an attraction.

Gotta be careful not to stray too far off the beaten path just to save a few dollars on parking. Out of towners are unfamiliar with the street parking just west of Hollywood and Coca-Cola.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdeta...d:0OtOoDHC

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? (also a stones throw from the Butcher Shop which is decent for a chain place) Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.

(07-08-2017 11:06 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Gotta be careful not to stray too far off the beaten path just to save a few dollars on parking. Out of towners are unfamiliar with the street parking just west of Hollywood and Coca-Cola.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdeta...d:0OtOoDHC

dude up the street here in Germantown got robbed right in his driveway. It was part of a chain of Gtown driveway robberies...is Germantown now unsafe because of a couple incidents?