(07-14-2017 03:36 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Ok, I agree 100%. I don't think the rail plan discussed earlier would be successful at all. Poplar can be miserable, and it either needs to be widened (hard to do, and what a mess it would be in the interim).

I also have doubts about public transportation. It works in some high density cities very well. I was in London recently and their underground and bus system is very utilized. Most US cities are spread out and and rail service only works in certain areas (downtown trolley).

I don't know the answer, but I agree, it does need to be addressed.

I can only imagine how much the right-of-way purchases would cost to expand poplar would be? How many years would it take?

(07-14-2017 03:45 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 03:36 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Ok, I agree 100%. I don't think the rail plan discussed earlier would be successful at all. Poplar can be miserable, and it either needs to be widened (hard to do, and what a mess it would be in the interim).

I also have doubts about public transportation. It works in some high density cities very well. I was in London recently and their underground and bus system is very utilized. Most US cities are spread out and and rail service only works in certain areas (downtown trolley).

I don't know the answer, but I agree, it does need to be addressed.

I can only imagine how much the right-of-way purchases would cost to expand poplar would be? How many years would it take?

It would be very expensive, and most likely not realistic. But it is an artery in Memphis and sure could use some modernization. Burying those utility poles would be great for aesthetics...

(07-14-2017 03:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 03:45 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 03:36 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Ok, I agree 100%. I don't think the rail plan discussed earlier would be successful at all. Poplar can be miserable, and it either needs to be widened (hard to do, and what a mess it would be in the interim).

I also have doubts about public transportation. It works in some high density cities very well. I was in London recently and their underground and bus system is very utilized. Most US cities are spread out and and rail service only works in certain areas (downtown trolley).

I don't know the answer, but I agree, it does need to be addressed.

I can only imagine how much the right-of-way purchases would cost to expand poplar would be? How many years would it take?

It would be very expensive, and most likely not realistic. But it is an artery in Memphis and sure could use some modernization. Burying those utility poles would be great for aesthetics...

I think that every time I drive down Poplar. They're starting to update the traffic lights with those arm-style ones (one just went up at Poplar & Lafayette -I'm guessing on an 'as needed' basis), and even that would go a long way to improving the aesthetic.

Burying the utility lines won't be happening anytime soon. During the last storm the numbers on that were thrown out, and it's a $3 billion expense.

(07-14-2017 03:55 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 03:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 03:45 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 03:36 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Ok, I agree 100%. I don't think the rail plan discussed earlier would be successful at all. Poplar can be miserable, and it either needs to be widened (hard to do, and what a mess it would be in the interim).

I also have doubts about public transportation. It works in some high density cities very well. I was in London recently and their underground and bus system is very utilized. Most US cities are spread out and and rail service only works in certain areas (downtown trolley).

I don't know the answer, but I agree, it does need to be addressed.

I can only imagine how much the right-of-way purchases would cost to expand poplar would be? How many years would it take?

It would be very expensive, and most likely not realistic. But it is an artery in Memphis and sure could use some modernization. Burying those utility poles would be great for aesthetics...

I think that every time I drive down Poplar. They're starting to update the traffic lights with those arm-style ones (one just went up at Poplar & Lafayette -I'm guessing on an 'as needed' basis), and even that would go a long way to improving the aesthetic.

Burying the utility lines won't be happening anytime soon. During the last storm the numbers on that were thrown out, and it's a $3 billion expense.

Yeah I heard it was expensive. But, if they ever try to widen poplar, that would be the time to do it. For some reason it always looks the worst from White station to Perkins..

(07-14-2017 03:36 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Ok, I agree 100%. I don't think the rail plan discussed earlier would be successful at all. Poplar can be miserable, and it either needs to be widened (hard to do, and what a mess it would be in the interim).

I also have doubts about public transportation. It works in some high density cities very well. I was in London recently and their underground and bus system is very utilized. Most US cities are spread out and and rail service only works in certain areas (downtown trolley).

I don't know the answer, but I agree, it does need to be addressed.

One of the biggest draw back so public transit would be changing the image. Many would not use it because it is view as mainly poor man's transportation.

Would be difficult to get a member of a law firm or medical center or Corporate head quarters to use it. Memphians and southerners in general love their cars.

But traffic congestion along the poplar corridor is growing at too high a rate. The only other option is no longer legal and that would be to put I-40 straight through the center of Memphis for local traffic. Truck and commercial traffic would be required to continue to use the concrete sidewalk.

There seem to be a lot of incorrect assumptions in this thread.

(07-14-2017 05:53 PM)3601 Wrote:  There seem to be a lot of incorrect assumptions in this thread.

What? Did you get lost on the way here? It's the org, ass.u.me

(07-14-2017 12:04 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

How much will this be used? I can't think of much. 6 times a year? To transport them 2-3 miles? What other activities will they be going to at the fairgrounds? I like building in Memphis, but I just don't see the demand?

Why isn't there a mixed use development at the LAB and Fairgrounds?

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(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

The same argument was made by Atlantans to thirty years ago. Now we can't get across town driving in under 80 minutes even on Sunday Night.

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(07-14-2017 08:43 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

The same argument was made by Atlantans to thirty years ago. Now we can't get across town driving in under 80 minutes even on Sunday Night.

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I'm for public transit. I think it's the best option. We just don't have the money or the political climate.

Rail is dead. We have self-driving vehicles coming. Public transit will be something totally new. Investing now is foolish.

(07-14-2017 10:28 PM)Claw Wrote:  Rail is dead. We have self-driving vehicles coming. Public transit will be something totally new. Investing now is foolish.

A street full of driverless cars sitting still and not moving

(07-14-2017 09:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 08:43 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

The same argument was made by Atlantans to thirty years ago. Now we can't get across town driving in under 80 minutes even on Sunday Night.

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I'm for public transit. I think it's the best option. We just don't have the money or the political climate.

Well we have to do something Dr Erickson will not create the transformer until early in the 22nd century.

LOL. Good one.

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(07-14-2017 10:28 PM)Claw Wrote:  Rail is dead. We have self-driving vehicles coming. Public transit will be something totally new. Investing now is foolish.

LOL. Good one.

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(07-14-2017 02:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 07:52 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

Must have felt something as you know the construction of the facility and felt a need to go out of your way to comment about it.

If you do not care about it then do not worry about it or if some would like information on the transit system.

No one is forcing you to read the inquiry.

My reason for never going to either racetrack was due to the overwhelmingly undesirable element that those events attract.

Hmmmm says a lot about you, more than it does them. So you are saying you do not want to associate with these type people???





Your level of ignorance about who actually takes part in the sport is over whelming. The stereo types no longer represent reality.

(07-15-2017 05:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 07:52 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

Must have felt something as you know the construction of the facility and felt a need to go out of your way to comment about it.

If you do not care about it then do not worry about it or if some would like information on the transit system.

No one is forcing you to read the inquiry.

My reason for never going to either racetrack was due to the overwhelmingly undesirable element that those events attract.

Hmmmm says a lot about you, more than it does them. So you are saying you do not want to associate with these type people???





Your level of ignorance about who actually takes part in the sport is over whelming. The stereo types no longer represent reality.

Not at all. Go race bait somebody else.

(07-16-2017 09:02 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 05:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 07:52 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

Must have felt something as you know the construction of the facility and felt a need to go out of your way to comment about it.

If you do not care about it then do not worry about it or if some would like information on the transit system.

No one is forcing you to read the inquiry.

My reason for never going to either racetrack was due to the overwhelmingly undesirable element that those events attract.

Hmmmm says a lot about you, more than it does them. So you are saying you do not want to associate with these type people???





Your level of ignorance about who actually takes part in the sport is over whelming. The stereo types no longer represent reality.

Not at all. Go race bait somebody else.

Once AGAIN promoting OUTDATED stereotypes. Especially since most likely you googled to try and find photos that represent that stereotype..

Especially since Nashville was home to White collar series such as Indy Car. You know the series which had Hollywood elites and Corporate CEOs following and tasking part in it.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/globe-d...ice=mobile

(07-16-2017 12:45 PM)TG4 Wrote:  https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/globe-d...ice=mobile

Classlessness is every where not just motorsports.