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RE: Question about Hockey/ACCN
(07-13-2017 03:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 10:33 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 11:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  The ACC should invite the 6 Ivies that play hockey. I'm not sure if they'd jump because Cornell played an instrumental role in founding their conference, so it would be akin to Prov leaving the OBE, but that's the million dollar move.

There is precedence. The B12 accepted 6 associate members, from multiple conferences, for wrestling. The question is, are the 6 Ivies the best programs out there?

The Big 12 is desperate to be relevant, The ACC doesn't have to worry about that. It's been almost a decade since a Big 12 team won a national title in a big three sport. (Kansas 2008 Mens Basketball).

The reality is the conference needs to learn to play with a lead. Let's not make decisions that won't improve the conference.
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Harvard - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_...ice_hockey
Cornell - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_...ice_hockey
Yale - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Bul...ice_hockey
Dartmouth - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmout...ice_hockey
Brown - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Be...ice_hockey
Princeton - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeto...ice_hockey

OTHER
Boston University - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_U...ice_hockey
**I assume BU would also get invited for obvious reasons.**

ACC
Boston College - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_C...ice_hockey
Notre Dame - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Da...ice_hockey
Syracuse - Doesn't field hockey, but I'd be amazed if SU didn't start fielding a team w/ the above lineup

Adding the Ivy schools isn't a desperate move, nor is it "playing from behind."
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RE: Question about Hockey/ACCN
Serious questions....

1. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make more money than if they were in a single-sport conference like Hockey East?

2. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make enough money to give some back to the ACC?

If the answer to either is no, then the issue is dead.

I don't think the ACCN is lacking content. The B1G had a network with 11 teams.
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RE: Question about Hockey/ACCN
(07-13-2017 02:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Serious questions....

1. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make more money than if they were in a single-sport conference like Hockey East?

2. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make enough money to give some back to the ACC?

If the answer to either is no, then the issue is dead.

I don't think the ACCN is lacking content. The B1G had a network with 11 teams.

Certainly, there's no point in doing it unless there's a net profit for the ACC. There would be some advertising revenue and, more importantly, additional subscriber fees. The question is the extent to which these would outweigh the additional production costs. The production costs would be much less if these hockey schools develop their own production facilities as the ACC schools are now doing. I strongly doubt these schools are making any significant money now from hockey broadcasts. They'd probably be happy with whatever crumbs the ACC could throw their way. Would it be worth it for the ACC? Who knows? I know that I don't like having BC and Notre Dame in other conferences for hockey. Actually, I don't care about BC. I'd be happy for BC to take off for a different conference but no other P5 conference would have them. Notre Dame is my concern.
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RE: Question about Hockey/ACCN
(07-13-2017 02:40 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 02:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Serious questions....

1. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make more money than if they were in a single-sport conference like Hockey East?

2. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make enough money to give some back to the ACC?

If the answer to either is no, then the issue is dead.

I don't think the ACCN is lacking content. The B1G had a network with 11 teams.

Certainly, there's no point in doing it unless there's a net profit for the ACC. There would be some advertising revenue and, more importantly, additional subscriber fees. The question is the extent to which these would outweigh the additional production costs. The production costs would be much less if these hockey schools develop their own production facilities as the ACC schools are now doing. I strongly doubt these schools are making any significant money now from hockey broadcasts. They'd probably be happy with whatever crumbs the ACC could throw their way. Would it be worth it for the ACC? Who knows? I know that I don't like having BC and Notre Dame in other conferences for hockey. Actually, I don't care about BC. I'd be happy for BC to take off for a different conference but no other P5 conference would have them. Notre Dame is my concern.

Why? I am not following the reason for your concern that ND is playing hockey in the Big Ten (or formerly in Hockey East).
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RE: Question about Hockey/ACCN
(07-13-2017 02:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Serious questions....

1. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make more money than if they were in a single-sport conference like Hockey East?

2. Would those schools under the "ACC" name make enough money to give some back to the ACC?

If the answer to either is no, then the issue is dead.

I don't think the ACCN is lacking content. The B1G had a network with 11 teams.

1. Most don't play in hockey east, but I doubt that any truly care about the conference's name or TV deal.
2. Probably, but it would probably go to the members that play in it (like the B1G)

The real question is epukd they leave their current conference, and the answer to that is probably "no" because Cornell founded it, and BU/BC/ND won't leave w/o a very solid option (i.e. De facto Ivy less the filler of the rest of the ECAC)
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