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Let's Take a Closer Look at What ESPN Holds:
(07-01-2017 08:03 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 04:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  I believe Cincy, UConn, and USF kept the lion's share of the exit fee and NCAA credit pot. The upgrade from the CUSA was enough to entice everyone else.

This ^ is true:

"In 2015-16, UConn received $10,523,469 from the AAC, followed by Cincinnati ($9.485 million) and South Florida ($9.144 million). The three schools compensated the least were Navy ($2.757 million), Central Florida ($3.514 million) and SMU ($3.57 million)."

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-husk...story.html

It's partially true. Ucf was going to be invited first and then they held once it was clear that more movement would be needed.
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Let's take a look at a possible future scenario. Say ESPN does put Texas & Oklahoma into the SEC & Fox grabs Kansas & UCONN for the B1G. The PAC stays pat at 12 while ESPN, ACC & SEC utilizes the P4 to put ND into the ACC with WV. The SEC reigns supreme in the conference financial wars, making $50-60 million a year or more. The B1G trails about $10 million behind while the ACC & PAC lag far behind.

By the time the ACC GOR concludes FSU & Clemson will see their SEC rivals far ahead financially. Fox will want to finally have a major east coast presence. The B1G would want to catch the SEC & the PAC would want some new found wealth as well. Fox sees the chance to strike & the B1G offers a spot to FSU & Clemson. Tobacco Road receives an offer from the SEC & the B1G. They choose the B1G due to resentment over ESPN & for academic reasons.

To make room in the B1G for their new acquisitions & to enhance the PAC Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Illinois & Northwestern are sent to the PAC for 20. FSU, Clemson, NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, ND, VT, Louisville & BC all join the B1G for 20. The SEC responds by picking up Miami, WV, NC State & 1 other for 20. Fox lands a serious blow to ESPN & stretches from coast to coast while ESPN becomes more regionalized with just the SEC. Just something to ponder during the offseason.
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(07-16-2017 11:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Let's take a look at a possible future scenario. Say ESPN does put Texas & Oklahoma into the SEC & Fox grabs Kansas & UCONN for the B1G. The PAC stays pat at 12 while ESPN, ACC & SEC utilizes the P4 to put ND into the ACC with WV. The SEC reigns supreme in the conference financial wars, making $50-60 million a year or more. The B1G trails about $10 million behind while the ACC & PAC lag far behind.

By the time the ACC GOR concludes FSU & Clemson will see their SEC rivals far ahead financially. Fox will want to finally have a major east coast presence. The B1G would want to catch the SEC & the PAC would want some new found wealth as well. Fox sees the chance to strike & the B1G offers a spot to FSU & Clemson. Tobacco Road receives an offer from the SEC & the B1G. They choose the B1G due to resentment over ESPN & for academic reasons.

To make room in the B1G for their new acquisitions & to enhance the PAC Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Illinois & Northwestern are sent to the PAC for 20. FSU, Clemson, NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, ND, VT, Louisville & BC all join the B1G for 20. The SEC responds by picking up Miami, WV, NC State & 1 other for 20. Fox lands a serious blow to ESPN & stretches from coast to coast while ESPN becomes more regionalized with just the SEC. Just something to ponder during the offseason.

Don't post again until you are off the hallucinogens.

1. There is no reason that ESPN would lose out to FOX, none.

2. The real threat to ESPN is that each school may choose to produce its own product and distribute it through an Amazon. Right now the central ESPN production facilities handle the feed, but a conference could build their own if conferences even remain.

3. You place a lot of hope in a network (FOX) that can't seem to get out of its own way with sexual harassment suits, bad business decisions, and a paucity of product.

4. I never figured you for a troll, but this was a post filled with schadenfreude and expressed hostility towards the SEC over a potentiality that currently seems unfulfilled. It must be playing on your mind for you to post this. You don't even know what you will have until the ACCN launches and until the final moves are made.

5. If the ACC doesn't keep pace it's nobody's fault but your own. That conference in spite of its improvement in football still doesn't attract the % of its viewers that it needs. So the problem isn't the schools, isn't the quality of its product, but rather the small % of loyal and dedicated fans in the states you occupy. So if the network doesn't deliver what you hope there's the issue that caused it. You are almost neck and neck with the PAC for the lowest % of viewing. The Big 10 hasn't had the product but they have loyal fans. The SEC has been fortunate to have both. The Big 12 has dedicated fans but few states. So they are all currently getting paid accordingly.

So ponder that for the off season.
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If I were king of the world, I think this is the way I would divide things up for ESPN.

First I would make sure there was room for all of the Big 12 schools that I wanted to keep in the AAC.

Then I would add one school each to the SEC and the ACC (Oklahoma to the SEC and West Virginia to the ACC).
I would keep Notre Dame an ACC partial, and would make Texas a SEC partial.

ACC
Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville
Miami, Duke, Carolina, UVa, Virginia Tech
FSU, Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State, GT

SEC
A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Ole Miss
LSU, Miss. State, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, So. Car., Georgia, Florida, Auburn

Unlike in the ACC, where Notre Dame plays every team every three years, I would have Texas playing Arkansas, Oklahoma, and A&M every year with only one other SEC game per year that rotated around the league. I would also have Texas committed to play at least 4-5 games per year against AAC west teams and one ACC game per year. i would require Notre Dame to play 1 SEC game per year
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(07-16-2017 01:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  If I were king of the world, I think this is the way I would divide things up for ESPN.

First I would make sure there was room for all of the Big 12 schools that I wanted to keep in the AAC.

Then I would add one school each to the SEC and the ACC (Oklahoma to the SEC and West Virginia to the ACC).
I would keep Notre Dame an ACC partial, and would make Texas a SEC partial.

ACC
Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville
Miami, Duke, Carolina, UVa, Virginia Tech
FSU, Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State, GT

SEC
A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Ole Miss
LSU, Miss. State, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, So. Car., Georgia, Florida, Auburn

Unlike in the ACC, where Notre Dame plays every team every three years, I would have Texas playing Arkansas, Oklahoma, and A&M every year with only one other SEC game per year that rotated around the league. I would also have Texas committed to play at least 4-5 games per year against AAC west teams and one ACC game per year. i would require Notre Dame to play 1 SEC game per year

Well you would have to be the king of the world because the SEC will never, ever, take a partial.

The best that could happen if we were dividing equally would be Texas to the ACC as a partial with West Virginia and T.C.U..

Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State head to the AAC.

Oklahoma and Kansas head to the SEC. Although I'm not a fan of this compromise either.
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(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Let's take a look at a possible future scenario. Say ESPN does put Texas & Oklahoma into the SEC & Fox grabs Kansas & UCONN for the B1G. The PAC stays pat at 12 while ESPN, ACC & SEC utilizes the P4 to put ND into the ACC with WV. The SEC reigns supreme in the conference financial wars, making $50-60 million a year or more. The B1G trails about $10 million behind while the ACC & PAC lag far behind.

By the time the ACC GOR concludes FSU & Clemson will see their SEC rivals far ahead financially. Fox will want to finally have a major east coast presence. The B1G would want to catch the SEC & the PAC would want some new found wealth as well. Fox sees the chance to strike & the B1G offers a spot to FSU & Clemson. Tobacco Road receives an offer from the SEC & the B1G. They choose the B1G due to resentment over ESPN & for academic reasons.

To make room in the B1G for their new acquisitions & to enhance the PAC Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Illinois & Northwestern are sent to the PAC for 20. FSU, Clemson, NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, ND, VT, Louisville & BC all join the B1G for 20. The SEC responds by picking up Miami, WV, NC State & 1 other for 20. Fox lands a serious blow to ESPN & stretches from coast to coast while ESPN becomes more regionalized with just the SEC. Just something to ponder during the offseason.

Don't post again until you are off the hallucinogens.

1. There is no reason that ESPN would lose out to FOX, none.

2. The real threat to ESPN is that each school may choose to produce its own product and distribute it through an Amazon. Right now the central ESPN production facilities handle the feed, but a conference could build their own if conferences even remain.

3. You place a lot of hope in a network (FOX) that can't seem to get out of its own way with sexual harassment suits, bad business decisions, and a paucity of product.

4. I never figured you for a troll, but this was a post filled with schadenfreude and expressed hostility towards the SEC over a potentiality that currently seems unfulfilled. It must be playing on your mind for you to post this. You don't even know what you will have until the ACCN launches and until the final moves are made.

5. If the ACC doesn't keep pace it's nobody's fault but your own. That conference in spite of its improvement in football still doesn't attract the % of its viewers that it needs. So the problem isn't the schools, isn't the quality of its product, but rather the small % of loyal and dedicated fans in the states you occupy. So if the network doesn't deliver what you hope there's the issue that caused it. You are almost neck and neck with the PAC for the lowest % of viewing. The Big 10 hasn't had the product but they have loyal fans. The SEC has been fortunate to have both. The Big 12 has dedicated fans but few states. So they are all currently getting paid accordingly.

So ponder that for the off season.

1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.
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(07-16-2017 02:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 01:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  If I were king of the world, I think this is the way I would divide things up for ESPN.

First I would make sure there was room for all of the Big 12 schools that I wanted to keep in the AAC.

Then I would add one school each to the SEC and the ACC (Oklahoma to the SEC and West Virginia to the ACC).
I would keep Notre Dame an ACC partial, and would make Texas a SEC partial.

ACC
Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville
Miami, Duke, Carolina, UVa, Virginia Tech
FSU, Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State, GT

SEC
A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Ole Miss
LSU, Miss. State, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, So. Car., Georgia, Florida, Auburn

Unlike in the ACC, where Notre Dame plays every team every three years, I would have Texas playing Arkansas, Oklahoma, and A&M every year with only one other SEC game per year that rotated around the league. I would also have Texas committed to play at least 4-5 games per year against AAC west teams and one ACC game per year. i would require Notre Dame to play 1 SEC game per year

Well you would have to be the king of the world because the SEC will never, ever, take a partial.

The best that could happen if we were dividing equally would be Texas to the ACC as a partial with West Virginia and T.C.U..

Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State head to the AAC.

Oklahoma and Kansas head to the SEC. Although I'm not a fan of this compromise either.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. If ESPN showed "numbers" to the SEC on what a Texas partial might mean to the bottom line versus no Texas at all, they just might have a change of heart.
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(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Let's take a look at a possible future scenario. Say ESPN does put Texas & Oklahoma into the SEC & Fox grabs Kansas & UCONN for the B1G. The PAC stays pat at 12 while ESPN, ACC & SEC utilizes the P4 to put ND into the ACC with WV. The SEC reigns supreme in the conference financial wars, making $50-60 million a year or more. The B1G trails about $10 million behind while the ACC & PAC lag far behind.

By the time the ACC GOR concludes FSU & Clemson will see their SEC rivals far ahead financially. Fox will want to finally have a major east coast presence. The B1G would want to catch the SEC & the PAC would want some new found wealth as well. Fox sees the chance to strike & the B1G offers a spot to FSU & Clemson. Tobacco Road receives an offer from the SEC & the B1G. They choose the B1G due to resentment over ESPN & for academic reasons.

To make room in the B1G for their new acquisitions & to enhance the PAC Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Illinois & Northwestern are sent to the PAC for 20. FSU, Clemson, NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, ND, VT, Louisville & BC all join the B1G for 20. The SEC responds by picking up Miami, WV, NC State & 1 other for 20. Fox lands a serious blow to ESPN & stretches from coast to coast while ESPN becomes more regionalized with just the SEC. Just something to ponder during the offseason.

Don't post again until you are off the hallucinogens.

1. There is no reason that ESPN would lose out to FOX, none.

2. The real threat to ESPN is that each school may choose to produce its own product and distribute it through an Amazon. Right now the central ESPN production facilities handle the feed, but a conference could build their own if conferences even remain.

3. You place a lot of hope in a network (FOX) that can't seem to get out of its own way with sexual harassment suits, bad business decisions, and a paucity of product.

4. I never figured you for a troll, but this was a post filled with schadenfreude and expressed hostility towards the SEC over a potentiality that currently seems unfulfilled. It must be playing on your mind for you to post this. You don't even know what you will have until the ACCN launches and until the final moves are made.

5. If the ACC doesn't keep pace it's nobody's fault but your own. That conference in spite of its improvement in football still doesn't attract the % of its viewers that it needs. So the problem isn't the schools, isn't the quality of its product, but rather the small % of loyal and dedicated fans in the states you occupy. So if the network doesn't deliver what you hope there's the issue that caused it. You are almost neck and neck with the PAC for the lowest % of viewing. The Big 10 hasn't had the product but they have loyal fans. The SEC has been fortunate to have both. The Big 12 has dedicated fans but few states. So they are all currently getting paid accordingly.

So ponder that for the off season.

1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.

Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.
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(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Let's take a look at a possible future scenario. Say ESPN does put Texas & Oklahoma into the SEC & Fox grabs Kansas & UCONN for the B1G. The PAC stays pat at 12 while ESPN, ACC & SEC utilizes the P4 to put ND into the ACC with WV. The SEC reigns supreme in the conference financial wars, making $50-60 million a year or more. The B1G trails about $10 million behind while the ACC & PAC lag far behind.

By the time the ACC GOR concludes FSU & Clemson will see their SEC rivals far ahead financially. Fox will want to finally have a major east coast presence. The B1G would want to catch the SEC & the PAC would want some new found wealth as well. Fox sees the chance to strike & the B1G offers a spot to FSU & Clemson. Tobacco Road receives an offer from the SEC & the B1G. They choose the B1G due to resentment over ESPN & for academic reasons.

To make room in the B1G for their new acquisitions & to enhance the PAC Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Illinois & Northwestern are sent to the PAC for 20. FSU, Clemson, NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, ND, VT, Louisville & BC all join the B1G for 20. The SEC responds by picking up Miami, WV, NC State & 1 other for 20. Fox lands a serious blow to ESPN & stretches from coast to coast while ESPN becomes more regionalized with just the SEC. Just something to ponder during the offseason.

Don't post again until you are off the hallucinogens.

1. There is no reason that ESPN would lose out to FOX, none.

2. The real threat to ESPN is that each school may choose to produce its own product and distribute it through an Amazon. Right now the central ESPN production facilities handle the feed, but a conference could build their own if conferences even remain.

3. You place a lot of hope in a network (FOX) that can't seem to get out of its own way with sexual harassment suits, bad business decisions, and a paucity of product.

4. I never figured you for a troll, but this was a post filled with schadenfreude and expressed hostility towards the SEC over a potentiality that currently seems unfulfilled. It must be playing on your mind for you to post this. You don't even know what you will have until the ACCN launches and until the final moves are made.

5. If the ACC doesn't keep pace it's nobody's fault but your own. That conference in spite of its improvement in football still doesn't attract the % of its viewers that it needs. So the problem isn't the schools, isn't the quality of its product, but rather the small % of loyal and dedicated fans in the states you occupy. So if the network doesn't deliver what you hope there's the issue that caused it. You are almost neck and neck with the PAC for the lowest % of viewing. The Big 10 hasn't had the product but they have loyal fans. The SEC has been fortunate to have both. The Big 12 has dedicated fans but few states. So they are all currently getting paid accordingly.

So ponder that for the off season.

1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.

Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.
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(07-16-2017 05:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Let's take a look at a possible future scenario. Say ESPN does put Texas & Oklahoma into the SEC & Fox grabs Kansas & UCONN for the B1G. The PAC stays pat at 12 while ESPN, ACC & SEC utilizes the P4 to put ND into the ACC with WV. The SEC reigns supreme in the conference financial wars, making $50-60 million a year or more. The B1G trails about $10 million behind while the ACC & PAC lag far behind.

By the time the ACC GOR concludes FSU & Clemson will see their SEC rivals far ahead financially. Fox will want to finally have a major east coast presence. The B1G would want to catch the SEC & the PAC would want some new found wealth as well. Fox sees the chance to strike & the B1G offers a spot to FSU & Clemson. Tobacco Road receives an offer from the SEC & the B1G. They choose the B1G due to resentment over ESPN & for academic reasons.

To make room in the B1G for their new acquisitions & to enhance the PAC Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Illinois & Northwestern are sent to the PAC for 20. FSU, Clemson, NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, ND, VT, Louisville & BC all join the B1G for 20. The SEC responds by picking up Miami, WV, NC State & 1 other for 20. Fox lands a serious blow to ESPN & stretches from coast to coast while ESPN becomes more regionalized with just the SEC. Just something to ponder during the offseason.

Don't post again until you are off the hallucinogens.

1. There is no reason that ESPN would lose out to FOX, none.

2. The real threat to ESPN is that each school may choose to produce its own product and distribute it through an Amazon. Right now the central ESPN production facilities handle the feed, but a conference could build their own if conferences even remain.

3. You place a lot of hope in a network (FOX) that can't seem to get out of its own way with sexual harassment suits, bad business decisions, and a paucity of product.

4. I never figured you for a troll, but this was a post filled with schadenfreude and expressed hostility towards the SEC over a potentiality that currently seems unfulfilled. It must be playing on your mind for you to post this. You don't even know what you will have until the ACCN launches and until the final moves are made.

5. If the ACC doesn't keep pace it's nobody's fault but your own. That conference in spite of its improvement in football still doesn't attract the % of its viewers that it needs. So the problem isn't the schools, isn't the quality of its product, but rather the small % of loyal and dedicated fans in the states you occupy. So if the network doesn't deliver what you hope there's the issue that caused it. You are almost neck and neck with the PAC for the lowest % of viewing. The Big 10 hasn't had the product but they have loyal fans. The SEC has been fortunate to have both. The Big 12 has dedicated fans but few states. So they are all currently getting paid accordingly.

So ponder that for the off season.

1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.

Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.

Lenville, ESPN is positioning itself to be a manufacturer of product. Amazon shows no inclination to do that. ESPN will produce and Amazon, Hulu (which ESPN already has a stake in) will be among the distributors. ESPN will remain a distributor as well through ESPN, ESPN2, and the conference networks. ESPN's layoffs were of personnel not needed for that transition.
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(07-16-2017 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Don't post again until you are off the hallucinogens.

1. There is no reason that ESPN would lose out to FOX, none.

2. The real threat to ESPN is that each school may choose to produce its own product and distribute it through an Amazon. Right now the central ESPN production facilities handle the feed, but a conference could build their own if conferences even remain.

3. You place a lot of hope in a network (FOX) that can't seem to get out of its own way with sexual harassment suits, bad business decisions, and a paucity of product.

4. I never figured you for a troll, but this was a post filled with schadenfreude and expressed hostility towards the SEC over a potentiality that currently seems unfulfilled. It must be playing on your mind for you to post this. You don't even know what you will have until the ACCN launches and until the final moves are made.

5. If the ACC doesn't keep pace it's nobody's fault but your own. That conference in spite of its improvement in football still doesn't attract the % of its viewers that it needs. So the problem isn't the schools, isn't the quality of its product, but rather the small % of loyal and dedicated fans in the states you occupy. So if the network doesn't deliver what you hope there's the issue that caused it. You are almost neck and neck with the PAC for the lowest % of viewing. The Big 10 hasn't had the product but they have loyal fans. The SEC has been fortunate to have both. The Big 12 has dedicated fans but few states. So they are all currently getting paid accordingly.

So ponder that for the off season.

1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.

Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.

Lenville, ESPN is positioning itself to be a manufacturer of product. Amazon shows no inclination to do that. ESPN will produce and Amazon, Hulu (which ESPN already has a stake in) will be among the distributors. ESPN will remain a distributor as well through ESPN, ESPN2, and the conference networks. ESPN's layoffs were of personnel not needed for that transition.

You're thinking of companies as they exist today, think as how they will be in the future. ESPN is sitting themselves up for the future, you don't think anyone else will? No one will rise to challenge them? As I said, this is just 1 possible scenario.
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RE: Let's Take a Closer Look at What ESPN Holds:
(07-17-2017 08:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.

Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.

Lenville, ESPN is positioning itself to be a manufacturer of product. Amazon shows no inclination to do that. ESPN will produce and Amazon, Hulu (which ESPN already has a stake in) will be among the distributors. ESPN will remain a distributor as well through ESPN, ESPN2, and the conference networks. ESPN's layoffs were of personnel not needed for that transition.

You're thinking of companies as they exist today, think as how they will be in the future. ESPN is sitting themselves up for the future, you don't think anyone else will? No one will rise to challenge them? As I said, this is just 1 possible scenario.

There will be other contenders - like conferences and schools that don't want to be left behind in realignment, networks don't either. I would bet that somehow, someway down the line we see something like an SEC/ACC ESPN stronghold and a FOX or whoever B1G/PAC group.
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Let's Take a Closer Look at What ESPN Holds:
(07-17-2017 09:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.

Lenville, ESPN is positioning itself to be a manufacturer of product. Amazon shows no inclination to do that. ESPN will produce and Amazon, Hulu (which ESPN already has a stake in) will be among the distributors. ESPN will remain a distributor as well through ESPN, ESPN2, and the conference networks. ESPN's layoffs were of personnel not needed for that transition.

You're thinking of companies as they exist today, think as how they will be in the future. ESPN is sitting themselves up for the future, you don't think anyone else will? No one will rise to challenge them? As I said, this is just 1 possible scenario.

There will be other contenders - like conferences and schools that don't want to be left behind in realignment, networks don't either. I would bet that somehow, someway down the line we see something like an SEC/ACC ESPN stronghold and a FOX or whoever B1G/PAC group.

I think that is the most likely outcome. Just don't underestimate "Fox or whoever". They are going to want what ESPN wants most likely.

Another scenario would be ESPN splitting Oklahoma & Texas among the SEC & ACC making both conferences strong. Over time Fox & the B1G could weaken enough for ESPN to strike. They could move Texas & the southern ACC schools to the SEC & take the top brands out of the B1G & put them into the ACC. That would be checkmate for ESPN, having everything from Texas to Wisconsin to New York to Florida.
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RE: Let's Take a Closer Look at What ESPN Holds:
(07-17-2017 08:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  1) Fox today doesn't compete with ESPN, I agree with you there but we are talking decades from now. Fox could presumedly get their act together & become a sports giant. Never underestimate your opponent.

2) That's completely feasible as well.

3) Refer to 1. Again, never underestimate your opponent. If the advertising dollars are there for ESPN to do it then I suspect that they would be there for Fox as well.

4) I'm not a troll & I certainly don't have any hostility towards the SEC. It is a great conference & the best football conference period. I wouldn't have any complaints about being a member. None of us know what we have until the final moves are made, that's the point. No hostility was intended just pointing out a possible scenario. There's an infinite amount of possibilities that could still happen, I was posting one that I haven't seen on here before. It didn't even condemn the SEC at all, it points out a possible misstep by ESPN. I do feel comfortable with the status quo & upbeat about the future of the ACC. I'm looking at a network vs network perspective & not a conference v conference one. Going by the thread title we are looking at what ESPN holds.

5) No disagreement. If ESPN sees the ACC as essential to achieve the market goals that you have stated then they would have to keep FSU & Clemson happy. As long as those two are happy then the ACC is secure. Those two have already considered the Big 12 & the SEC, I don't see them being loyal to anyone but themselves. Their egos bruise easily & those two are essential to the ACC. In the scenario I described its them turning down ESPN & not the SEC.

I tend to ponder a lot of different scenarios in the offseason. If you're not looking at things from your opponents perspective as well then you are not putting yourself in the best possible position for success.

Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.

Lenville, ESPN is positioning itself to be a manufacturer of product. Amazon shows no inclination to do that. ESPN will produce and Amazon, Hulu (which ESPN already has a stake in) will be among the distributors. ESPN will remain a distributor as well through ESPN, ESPN2, and the conference networks. ESPN's layoffs were of personnel not needed for that transition.

You're thinking of companies as they exist today, think as how they will be in the future. ESPN is sitting themselves up for the future, you don't think anyone else will? No one will rise to challenge them? As I said, this is just 1 possible scenario.

Obviously, I'm just stating what ESPN is transitioning into. They know their industry better than anyone else. They see what is coming, which is why they purchased half interest in Hulu with FOX. Their layoffs were just a big step in the direction of a future they are helping to shape. The only thing that is going to upset ESPN, or any of us, will be something horribly external, like a war, or meteor impact, or the Big One on the West Coast, or the Big One in the New Madrid zone. Business just doesn't slam into you. It's slow and methodical and has all manner of obstructions set up to rapid changes.

So forgive me if I don't play Chicken Little on this one.

If I want to scare myself I start analyzing what is going on with the FED, the European Common Market, North Korea (via China), or watch the growing level of hostilities in the South China Sea, or contemplate the corruption in Washington by both parties. ESPN is the last thing I worry about.
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RE: Let's Take a Closer Look at What ESPN Holds:
(07-17-2017 09:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 05:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville the opponent is ESPN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FOX get out of the college sports business. I'm not saying they will, but it hasn't been very productive for them thus far and the market is only going to get more complicated and trying.

As far as ESPN goes look at who they laid off. Beat writers (a reduction not an overall elimination), talking heads (in a streaming market local announcers are more fan friendly and colorful than a bunch of putzes who frequently forget the names of the schools playing right in front of them, or forget which mascot goes to which team), and production people (mostly now employed by the conference networks). They were cutting the personnel who won't benefit their future business plans. Look for ESPN to pursue even more rights and then lease them to whichever streaming service wants them. Look for the conference networks to cover more of the overhead of production, but also to receive a little more help in their % of the profits. Look for ESPN to pay a bit more and push for more high content games.

Because of this I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 taken wholesale and then divided up between the AAC, ACC, and SEC. I also don't rule out conferences of 18 schools eventually divided into 3 divisions. But then 16 would still suit us the best.

In my scenario I think replacing Fox for someone like Amazon only strengthens my point but it could also mean that ESPN demise is inevitable anyway.

Lenville, ESPN is positioning itself to be a manufacturer of product. Amazon shows no inclination to do that. ESPN will produce and Amazon, Hulu (which ESPN already has a stake in) will be among the distributors. ESPN will remain a distributor as well through ESPN, ESPN2, and the conference networks. ESPN's layoffs were of personnel not needed for that transition.

You're thinking of companies as they exist today, think as how they will be in the future. ESPN is sitting themselves up for the future, you don't think anyone else will? No one will rise to challenge them? As I said, this is just 1 possible scenario.

Obviously, I'm just stating what ESPN is transitioning into. They know their industry better than anyone else. They see what is coming, which is why they purchased half interest in Hulu with FOX. Their layoffs were just a big step in the direction of a future they are helping to shape. The only thing that is going to upset ESPN, or any of us, will be something horribly external, like a war, or meteor impact, or the Big One on the West Coast, or the Big One in the New Madrid zone. Business just doesn't slam into you. It's slow and methodical and has all manner of obstructions set up to rapid changes.

So forgive me if I don't play Chicken Little on this one.

If I want to scare myself I start analyzing what is going on with the FED, the European Common Market, North Korea (via China), or watch the growing level of hostilities in the South China Sea, or contemplate the corruption in Washington by both parties. ESPN is the last thing I worry about.

Please no politics; it's ruined twitter for me. Had to unfollow and block about a dozen people last week because of it.
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(07-17-2017 02:18 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Please no politics; it's ruined twitter for me. Had to unfollow and block about a dozen people last week because of it.

Twitter is a place I don't enjoy nearly as much as I used to. So much hate and nonsense flying around...

I tend to check the feeds of a few different people I'm interested in and that's about it. I do post as well, but I doubt there's many people paying attention to that.
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(07-17-2017 02:18 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Please no politics; it's ruined twitter for me. Had to unfollow and block about a dozen people last week because of it.

Twitter is a place I don't enjoy nearly as much as I used to. So much hate and nonsense flying around...

I tend to check the feeds of a few different people I'm interested in and that's about it. I do post as well, but I doubt there's many people paying attention to that.

What really sucks are the accounts that get paid to retweet advertisements or other accounts that do the same thing.

Instead of unfollowing one of these ACCOUNTS I decided to reply to the advertisement with negative comments. I soon got blocked 03-cloud9
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