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Exclamation What if, after defections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

I would suspect the new Southwest Conference would include Houston and Colorado St with maybe New Mexico, UNLV, and/or San Diego St.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 05:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

I would suspect the new Southwest Conference would include Houston and Colorado St with maybe New Mexico, UNLV, and/or San Diego St.

Only Houston would add a quality football program from that bunch. BYU and Houston might be the strongest football additions possible, but Texas has a long history of not liking the U of H. That's why I went with the BYU/BSU pair.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

Move that timeline up to 2019 for the debut of the ACCN and you are going to be a lot more correct I think.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 05:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

Move that timeline up to 2019 for the debut of the ACCN and you are going to be a lot more correct I think.

Breaking the GOR might still be too expensive for the Big 12 schools to move in time for a 2019 conference switch. Now, if the conference falls apart on its own, then so be it.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 06:50 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 05:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

Move that timeline up to 2019 for the debut of the ACCN and you are going to be a lot more correct I think.

Breaking the GOR might still be too expensive for the Big 12 schools to move in time for a 2019 conference switch. Now, if the conference falls apart on its own, then so be it.

They aren't going to have to break the danged GOR. The GOR will be waived I promise you. Why? Because those schools getting left behind will still get left behind in 2025. If they put up a fuss and force everyone to wait they'll never get another scheduled game with Oklahoma or Texas or Kansas and at the end of the GOR they will have no place to go and no money coming in.

If they waive the GOR then they can negotiate a fairly high exit fee (think 50 million per departing school range) and gain the cooperation of the networks to still pay them full value of their current contracts until 2025 and to assist them in either finding a new conference or rebuilding the old one. They'll all get some kind of scheduling arrangement with the departing schools, and they'll have a war chest with which to move or to stay.

X pointed out to me tonight that the AAC contract is up in 2019. They'll want additions so they can renegotiate and the ACC will want to add before the debut of their network to help with valuation. Since ESPN holds the AAC contract they can certainly facilitate this.

So i'm telling you it is in their self interest to help this thing play out early.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

To me, the most realistic part of this thought is that Texas wants to remain king and might be willing to stay in a "weaker" conference if they thought they could still play that role.

I doubt they kick out Iowa State and Kansas State:
Texas, Tech, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas State, BYU, Houston, Boise, and Colorado State would make a solid 10 team conference. I think we are done with 6 team conferences, and the trend to keep biggering and biggering is going to continue.

Add in 2 of New Mexico, San Diego State and UNLV to get to 12.

Or keep it eastward, leave out BYU and bring in Cincy, Memphis and Rice (?) or something similar.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
How about this?

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas move to the SEC

Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, and TCU move to the ACC


A new Big 12 forms in the wake of the departures...

West: BYU, Boise State, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston, SMU

East: Kansas State, Iowa State, Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida

The networks see to it that a scheduling agreement takes place between this new Big 12 and both the SEC and ACC. More regional games are scheduled. A few old rivalries are preserved and made to occur frequently. The agreement covers multiple sports.
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RE: What if, after deflections, the B12 reorganized as a small conference?
(06-19-2017 04:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  It's the early 2020's and schools are announcing two years prior to the end of their GOR that they are leaving.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State announce together they are leaving for the SEC.

The B12 starts looking at TV evacuations and realignment.

Kansas decides to go to the B1G.

West Virginia lands in the ACC.

Texas decides its best to stay at a six member conference. Kansas State and Iowa State don't add a whole lot to the pot. They get replaced with BYU and local tag along Boise State. TV says in order to maximize payouts, this small conference needs to schedule big games and names to make up for lack of inventory.

Texas maintains Oklahoma rivalry and adds Arkansas to a ten year contract. A&M agrees to some years as a trial run.

So the Big 12 dies.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC
Kansas to the Big Ten (with Connecticut)
West Virginia to the ACC (with Cincinnati)
Kansas State and Iowa State to American Conference

Southwest Conference 2.0 is born
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State

I think you are close, but there is no reason to re-invent the wheel.
ESPN can't make any money off of Texas in that conference.
The American could be the perfect location for many of the Big 12 teams.
Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Tulsa and K-State would make a pretty strong western division for the American.
Cincinnati and West Virginia still go to the ACC but with Notre Dame (still a partial) and Texas (partial). Texas is still the money game for all of their Texas friends and the Horns get to play 7-8 games a year in the Lone Star State.
The SEC starts with Oklahoma and OSU and could offer Kansas and ISU. But even if Kansas and ISU move to the B1G, ESPN still controls every thing they need to succeed without the B1G or the PAC.
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