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A Realistic Expansion Candidate
(06-20-2017 10:43 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
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(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Best Expansion Options (IMHO, and assuming no teams will ever be available from the B1G or SEC):
1. Notre Dame + Texas
2. Notre Dame + Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame + Kansas
4. Notre Dame + W Virginia

Sign me up for #1 or #4.

I like #4 best only because I'm a huge fan regionalism. Throw in Cincinnati and Connecticut for 18 and I'd be excited! Many of y'all probably wouldn't be lol

I like the regionalism but I don't think the $ would be there for long term stability.
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(06-21-2017 06:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:43 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 03:52 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Best Expansion Options (IMHO, and assuming no teams will ever be available from the B1G or SEC):
1. Notre Dame + Texas
2. Notre Dame + Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame + Kansas
4. Notre Dame + W Virginia

Sign me up for #1 or #4.

I like #4 best only because I'm a huge fan regionalism. Throw in Cincinnati and Connecticut for 18 and I'd be excited! Many of y'all probably wouldn't be lol

I like the regionalism but I don't think the $ would be there for long term stability.

Yeah, I'm willing to overlook the history of University of Cincinnati football because of the tradition of high school football there (great for recruiting). I'm confident that the Bearcats could and would pull their own weight. I'm not convinced with UConn in football (basketball - sure - but not football). Temple would be a better choice - but ONLY as a last resort (Big XII teams are all better than any G5 team).
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(06-18-2017 03:03 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  It's located in a large and rapidly growing metro area that lacks a P5 school.

Here's the problem with that - sure Charlotte doesn't have a P5 school located within its market boundaries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a P5 school. The ACC Network will have zero problem clearing the Charlotte market at full price based on there being 4 North Carolina schools and 1 South Carolina school in the conference. Therefore, UNCC brings no additional value to the ACC Network. Indeed, I would guess that USCar already delivers the Charlotte market for the SECN as well.
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(06-21-2017 07:43 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 03:03 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  It's located in a large and rapidly growing metro area that lacks a P5 school.

Here's the problem with that - sure Charlotte doesn't have a P5 school located within its market boundaries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a P5 school. The ACC Network will have zero problem clearing the Charlotte market at full price based on there being 4 North Carolina schools and 1 South Carolina school in the conference. Therefore, UNCC brings no additional value to the ACC Network. Indeed, I would guess that USCar already delivers the Charlotte market for the SECN as well.

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(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
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(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.
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RE: A Realistic Expansion Candidate
(06-21-2017 07:43 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 03:03 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  It's located in a large and rapidly growing metro area that lacks a P5 school.

Here's the problem with that - sure Charlotte doesn't have a P5 school located within its market boundaries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a P5 school. The ACC Network will have zero problem clearing the Charlotte market at full price based on there being 4 North Carolina schools and 1 South Carolina school in the conference. Therefore, UNCC brings no additional value to the ACC Network. Indeed, I would guess that USCar already delivers the Charlotte market for the SECN as well.

Of course. I don't want UNC-C. No one in the ACC wants UNC-C now or later. They add nothing. The problem is what the ACC may lose if UNC-C goes to the SEC. If the ACC ever adds UNC-C, it will be a defensive move.

UNC-C is a unique situation. UCF and USF are better candidates for P5 than UNC-C except for the fact that neither would bring a TV market to either the ACC or SEC. There would be opposition to adding either within the SEC or ACC, coming from UF, FSU and Miami. No one in the SEC would be adversely impacted by adding UNC-C. Adding UNC-C would add a major TV market to the SEC.

UNC-C may never develop the game attendance, booster support, facilities or football success to attract SEC attention but I wouldn't bet against them. They may have the highest enrollment of any university in the Carolinas within a few years.
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(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.
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(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

Yeah I'm kinda interested in the reason why...Cincy would bring a large school deep in academic research and a proud athletic tradition. The football stadium is perfectly sized and the hoops arena is being renovated. Is the school located in a bucolic garden spot? No...but neither are the other urban schools in the league.
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RE: A Realistic Expansion Candidate
(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

If anything Cincy fits the ACC culturally and academically better than Louisville does.
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RE: A Realistic Expansion Candidate
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.


At this point we well take the schools that ESPN wants us to take. Looking at a map, I could understand the move.
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(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

(06-21-2017 06:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

If anything Cincy fits the ACC culturally and academically better than Louisville does.

I'd agree, if Louisville is a fit then it is hard to argue that Cincy isn't. Cincy has as good (better in most rankings) academics and a larger endowment than Louisville.
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(06-21-2017 08:23 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

(06-21-2017 06:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

If anything Cincy fits the ACC culturally and academically better than Louisville does.

I'd agree, if Louisville is a fit then it is hard to argue that Cincy isn't. Cincy has as good (better in most rankings) academics and a larger endowment than Louisville.

But their athletic success is far behind U of L
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(06-18-2017 03:03 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  There's been endless discussion of ACC expansion on this board. It focuses upon candidates that, in my opinion, run from unlikely (Cincy) to absurd (Oklahoma). Why don't we talk about a far more realistic proposition.

Imagine it's ten years from now, 2027. The ACC's composition is the same as it is now. The ACC Commissioner is approached by the chancellor of a school. This chancellor has talked off and on with the ACC Commissioner for a few years. The ACC has been polite but noncommittal. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that circumstances have changed. This school has been in talks with the SEC. The chancellor says that a formal offer to join the SEC will come soon. However, the chancellor says that the ACC is the school's dream conference. The chancellor reminds the ACC Commissioner of some facts he knows well. The school is very much in the ACC's footprint. The school is large (over 35,000 students) and growing. It's located in a large and rapidly growing metro area that lacks a P5 school. The school is extremely ambitious athletically. It's been rapidly improving its facilities, attendance and athletic performance for more than 15 years. It's a leap to the P5 level but they're ready. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that he knows there has been particularly strong opposition to this school joining the ACC coming from a couple of ACC schools but that he can make it politically impractical for those schools to oppose adding this school -- remember how Va. Tech overcame U.Va's opposition. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that several ACC schools may want to avoid having to recruit against this school but reminds him that's going to happen anyway if this school joins the SEC. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that he knows he can't really bring many new TVs viewers to the ACC but that he can take them away if his school goes to the SEC.

In case you haven't figured it out already, the school is UNC-Charlotte. The schools that might be most opposed to bringing in UNC-C would be UNC- Chapel Hill and NCSU but that opposition may become politically impossible.

Anything implausible about the scenario I'm presenting? In fact, isn't it likely?

What would you say the ACC should do if faced with this situation? I'm almost certain you don't want to add UNC-C but to paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, do you want them outside the tent peeing in or inside the tent peeing out?

I like it enough to think we should consider preempting the possibility that SEC membership might look more attractive to some segments of the UNC-C community when the time comes. Remember FSU's flirtations with the SEC in the early 90's and and with the Big 12 a few years ago?

Adding UNC-C will lock down a major metropolitan area, largely prevent the SEC from making inroads into the state (unless they want to be in Boone or Greenville), and add another nearby rival for Wake and Clemson. Academically (if that even matters), UNC-C isn't the greatest fit but they're roughly in the same range as Louisville and frequently mentioned expansion prospects Cincinnati, Houston and West Virginia.

UNC-C would have to elevate football and basketball of course, but a few seasons in CUSA should be good enough. UNC-C doesn't need to be world beaters or add to the football murderer's row. If they get to that level, it's all gravy and ACC membership will only help UNC-C with recruiting and building up the revenue sports once they're in. We should consider at least reaching out to UNC-C to discuss targets for football attendance, basketball performance, academics, &c. if a transition to ACC membership opens up for them in the medium to long term even without a threat by the SEC.

My only question is how would the divisions work out with 15 schools? If we're going with pods, I don't think all 5 North Carolina schools should be in the same pod. Here's my "back of the envelope" suggestion:

Atlantic Pod: Louisville, BC, Va. Tech, State, FSU
Coastal Pod: Miami, Tech, UNC-CH, Duke, UVA
other pod (name TBD): Syracuse, Pitt, UNC-C, Clemson, Wake

I know it's not perfect -- you'd have to find a way to preserve in-state cross pod rivalries, for one thing.
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Too many member schools is one state is problematic. IF the league were ever in a position of wanting to add UNCC, I think it would have to seriously consider expelling one or more of the other NC schools to make room for it...
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Just what we need a Queen City commuter school in an area we have a ton of schools already.
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Let's let UNC-C learn to walk before they attempt to run.
The goal of UNC-C should be to some day be able to join a league that included East Carolina and Appalachian State.
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(06-22-2017 07:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  Let's let UNC-C learn to walk before they attempt to run.
The goal of UNC-C should be to some day be able to join a league that included East Carolina and Appalachian State.

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(06-21-2017 07:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yeah, I'm willing to overlook the history of University of Cincinnati football because of the tradition of high school football there (great for recruiting). I'm confident that the Bearcats could and would pull their own weight. I'm not convinced with UConn in football (basketball - sure - but not football). Temple would be a better choice - but ONLY as a last resort (Big XII teams are all better than any G5 team).

You'll warm up to us in the coming years, Mark. A lot of great things are happening here both on and off the field.
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(06-21-2017 09:32 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 08:23 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 06:45 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.

NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

(06-21-2017 06:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:27 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 12:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  NCAA will never agree with three divisions or four pods. The maximal number for a conference is 18 in the configuration of two divisions of nine.

ACC should also avoid Cincinnati and WV like a plague. The culture and academics don't fit.

Please qualify that statement. Just how are the culture and academics at UC different than those of the ACC in general, and of Pitt and Louisville in particular? In what respect do they not fit? You might want to do a bit of research before answering.

If anything Cincy fits the ACC culturally and academically better than Louisville does.

I'd agree, if Louisville is a fit then it is hard to argue that Cincy isn't. Cincy has as good (better in most rankings) academics and a larger endowment than Louisville.

But their athletic success is far behind U of L

Cincy and Louisville have played one another 53 times on the gridiron. Cincy leads the series 30-22-1.

During their active Big East years together (2005-2013), Cincinnati won five of those nine games, and Louisville only four. Cincinnati won two outright conference championships and Louisville only one, and the two teams shared the championship with each other twice. During that same tenure, both teams ranked as high as #3 nationally. The Keg of Nails was one of the longest rivalries in college football, and it's a shame that realignment discontinued it.
06-22-2017 09:10 AM
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RE: A Realistic Expansion Candidate
The Charlotte metro college fan base is predominately UNC fans. I'd put the number at 75-80%. Adding UNCC to get another 5-10% would be detrimental for all the reasons others have mentioned.

In addition to UNC, they have to compete with NC State, Wake, Duke, Clemson and even USC for fans. Plus they have the Hornets and Panthers to contend with.

Metro population doesn't mean anything. Here are some major cities without P5 teams located within the city.
1. NYC
3. Chicago (you might be able to count NW)
4. Houston
5. Philadelphia
7. San Antonio
8. San Diego
9. Dallas (TCU?)
10. San Jose
12. Jacksonville, FL
13. San Francisco
14. Indianapolis
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