If the ACC were to add one additional member they could split into 3 divisions of 5 each for football. For the sake of argument, let's use these divisions:

BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Miami

UVA
VT
FSU
GT
Expansion Team

UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke
Clemson

The actual divisions would likely depend on the expansion candidate.

You could play an 8 game schedule 4x2x2. Play 2 opponents in each division on a rotating home and home basis each year. You could designate a rival in each division that you would play 4 out of ever 6 years. In that 6 years every member would play each other member home and home. Rivals would be played twice home and home in six years.

At present we play every member home and away every 14 years. That would allow members to play each other 3 times as often as they currently do. ND would play each division on a rotating basis to fulfill their obligations.

This also splits up the better teams into the different divisions allowing for a better chance that the best teams make it to the Championship game. The Championship game would be between the two highest ranked division winners.

For Basketball you could go to 4x4 divisions with each champion earning a top seed for the tournament. 18 game schedule with a home and home in your division (6 games) and alternating home and home with the other 3 divisions.

What do you think?

The "right" number for the ACC was eight but those days aren't returning.

(06-16-2017 11:46 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  If the ACC were to add one additional member they could split into 3 divisions of 5 each for football. For the sake of argument, let's use these divisions:

BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Miami

UVA
VT
FSU
GT
Expansion Team

UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke
Clemson

The actual divisions would likely depend on the expansion candidate.

You could play an 8 game schedule 4x2x2. Play 2 opponents in each division on a rotating home and home basis each year. You could designate a rival in each division that you would play 4 out of ever 6 years. In that 6 years every member would play each other member home and home. Rivals would be played twice home and home in six years.

At present we play every member home and away every 14 years. That would allow members to play each other 3 times as often as they currently do. ND would play each division on a rotating basis to fulfill their obligations.

This also splits up the better teams into the different divisions allowing for a better chance that the best teams make it to the Championship game. The Championship game would be between the two highest ranked division winners.

For Basketball you could go to 4x4 divisions with each champion earning a top seed for the tournament. 18 game schedule with a home and home in your division (6 games) and alternating home and home with the other 3 divisions.

What do you think?

15 would be the perfect number.
If you went to 9 conference games, you could play 4 x 5 x 5. and play ever team in the conference every other year and a home/away with every team at least once every 4 years.

NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Rules can be changed fairly easily by the autonomous group. I would imagine the SEC and B10 would be interested in a similar set-up for scheduling purposes.

By the way I know the perfect candidate for team #15 for the ACC.

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

(06-16-2017 01:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Rules can be changed fairly easily by the autonomous group. I would imagine the SEC and B10 would be interested in a similar set-up for scheduling purposes.

By the way I know the perfect candidate for team #15 for the ACC.

You'd like to think that, but the ACC tried to change the rules for conference championship games just last year and was shot down... with the Big Ten leading the charge AGAINST, and the SEC also voting it down.

So, unfortunately, this cannot be changed easily.

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Existing rules allow for uneven divisions (7 in one, 8 in the other). That would likely necessitate 8 ACC games for the 7-team division, 9 ACC games for the 8-team division. 2 teams in the 8-team division end up playing each other twice (but which two teams? that could rotate). Lots of possibilities there...

(06-16-2017 02:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Rules can be changed fairly easily by the autonomous group. I would imagine the SEC and B10 would be interested in a similar set-up for scheduling purposes.

By the way I know the perfect candidate for team #15 for the ACC.

You'd like to think that, but the ACC tried to change the rules for conference championship games just last year and was shot down... with the Big Ten leading the charge AGAINST, and the SEC also voting it down.

So, unfortunately, this cannot be changed easily.

I believe what it would take to make this possible is for the rule change to include permission to hold a four team conference championship tournament if you have more than 14 members. Those two additional games would be lucrative enough, I think, to persuade the SEC and B1G to expand as well. It might also be acceptable to the PAC, who may see a path to adding the Texas market for its network.

I would leave the decision as to what teams play in that tournament to each individual conference.

(06-16-2017 01:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Rules can be changed fairly easily by the autonomous group. I would imagine the SEC and B10 would be interested in a similar set-up for scheduling purposes.

By the way I know the perfect candidate for team #15 for the ACC.

But they keep insisting they want to remain independent in football.

(06-16-2017 01:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Rules can be changed fairly easily by the autonomous group. I would imagine the SEC and B10 would be interested in a similar set-up for scheduling purposes.

By the way I know the perfect candidate for team #15 for the ACC.

I do think that Cincinnati is the perfect #15 for the ACC.
I do think that ESPN can make more off of Notre Dame and have access to better games if the Irish stay semi-independent for football.

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Does it? From the NCAA website:

Quote:Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference. Each division must play a round-robin schedule during the regular season in order to hold a championship game.

Conference Championship Rules

I know that is he conventional wisdom. However, reading the rule there would be at least 12 members, the championship game would be between the winners of two divisions within the conference, and each divisional champion would play a round robin schedule during the regular season.

The rule does not specify that only two divisions can exist.

(06-16-2017 03:10 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Does it? From the NCAA website:

Quote:Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference. Each division must play a round-robin schedule during the regular season in order to hold a championship game.

Conference Championship Rules

I know that is he conventional wisdom. However, reading the rule there would be at least 12 members, the championship game would be between the winners of two divisions within the conference, and each divisional champion would play a round robin schedule during the regular season.

The rule does not specify that only two divisions can exist.

I believe this says that it does.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/articl...-able-hold

16 for football, ND and Navy (FO)
15 for all other sports

No. As evidenced by all the weird proposed scheduling formats. Sports works best in multiples of 2.

It depends on ESPN's marketing strategy for The ACC Network. If ESPN ties its newest network to its SEC Network, The ACC won't need to expand.

ESPN launched The SEC Network in 2014. It will launch The ACC Network in 2019. It's no coincidence that ESPN said no to a Big 12 Network. When The Big 12 GOR expires in 2025 a number of programs will become available. If The ACC expands ESPN will orchestrate how.
CJ

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

(06-17-2017 08:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

If ND still considers their delusion of "independence" is worth giving up a chance at an ACC football championship that would help their CFP aspirations, additional money, reducing their HC scheduling woes & recruiting on a more level playing field for two additional games then yes.

If ..... and I realize this is a big IF that has already been made impossible by the small minds of the Big Ten and SEC .... but IF we could do away with the divisions, and go to a 3 permanent football foes schedule, where the other 10 schools are rotated in ... I think 14 would be the perfect number. With ND playing their 5 ACC opponents a year.

With Auburn b!tch!ing about where they are in the SEC, I would see the SEC decide to create more schedule flexibility by adopting the same thing the ACC tried to adopt.

Both the SEC and ACC keep their 8 game conference schedule, allowing for 4 out of conference games a year.

The ACC keeps ND playing the entire league on a regular basis.

ND keeps the ability to play 7 "out of conference" games for their national schedule.

And every ACC school gets to play every other ACC school two times in a 4 year period.



This wouldn't prevent expansion down the road, but IF we could adopt the 3 permanent foes a year schedule model, with no divisions, 14 could work very well.

(06-17-2017 10:34 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If ..... and I realize this is a big IF that has already been made impossible by the small minds of the Big Ten and SEC .... but IF we could do away with the divisions, and go to a 3 permanent football foes schedule, where the other 10 schools are rotated in ... I think 14 would be the perfect number. With ND playing their 5 ACC opponents a year.

With Auburn b!tch!ing about where they are in the SEC, I would see the SEC decide to create more schedule flexibility by adopting the same thing the ACC tried to adopt.

Both the SEC and ACC keep their 8 game conference schedule, allowing for 4 out of conference games a year.

The ACC keeps ND playing the entire league on a regular basis.

ND keeps the ability to play 7 "out of conference" games for their national schedule.

And every ACC school gets to play every other ACC school two times in a 4 year period.



This wouldn't prevent expansion down the road, but IF we could adopt the 3 permanent foes a year schedule model, with no divisions, 14 could work very well.

Why wouldn't the B1G be just as interested in allowing this (or simply allowing each conference to decide for itself how it determines its CCG participants)?