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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
This thread has clearly wandered into "Off Topic."
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
I am sure all the credit goes to people watching FCC
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-18-2017 05:57 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:
Twins separated at birth?
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-20-2017 03:49 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: (07-18-2017 05:57 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:
Twins separated at birth?
Why wouldn't they be separated no one family could endure 2 of such children.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
lol what the heck is going on in here?!?!?!?
Man, football can't get here quick enough.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
Recluse1,,, Wow,,,, I have not seen that many knock out punches since the last time The Hawk (Aaron Pryor) fought.. Good job..
Bearcat1985,,,, Don't take offense to what Recluse posted, take heed... To save the university system,, the Presidents and Provosts need to get out of their cocoon.. Currently,, 56% of half of the voting public think that colleges are not good for out
society.. Look at the Cal Berkeley riots, the mess at Missouri (enrollment down 35%), the save zones, the micro aggressions..
Our universities have lost their way... Get back on track or the end is coming.....
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
So kcat? You buying punctuation in bulk now?
Really ready for football to start. Tired of the echo chamber
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-24-2017 03:43 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: (07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
As someone who has had to, in the past, work in an environment that conducted Title IX investigations in a University setting I wholeheartedly agree with that plaintiff and Mike Allen's sentiment. There is absolutely no due process being given in the investigations and damn near every investigation is a complete flip of our judicial system's main tenet of "innocent until proven guilty". If it's a public institution, which UC is, I feel that they MUST abide by that same policy if they choose to conduct their own judicial processes.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-24-2017 03:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:43 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: (07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
As someone who has had to, in the past, work in an environment that conducted Title IX investigations in a University setting I wholeheartedly agree with that plaintiff and Mike Allen's sentiment. There is absolutely no due process being given in the investigations and damn near every investigation is a complete flip of our judicial system's main tenet of "innocent until proven guilty". If it's a public institution, which UC is, I feel that they MUST abide by that same policy if they choose to conduct their own judicial processes.
Title 9 is total liberal we all get a trophy BS which has m=now become gender bashing. Typical LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CRAP.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-24-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:43 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: (07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
As someone who has had to, in the past, work in an environment that conducted Title IX investigations in a University setting I wholeheartedly agree with that plaintiff and Mike Allen's sentiment. There is absolutely no due process being given in the investigations and damn near every investigation is a complete flip of our judicial system's main tenet of "innocent until proven guilty". If it's a public institution, which UC is, I feel that they MUST abide by that same policy if they choose to conduct their own judicial processes.
Title 9 is total liberal we all get a trophy BS which has m=now become gender bashing. Typical LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CRAP.
Awkward when you consider that it was signed into law by a Republican...
I agree to a certain extent. It was legislation for a past generation that did not see the purpose of gender equity in education and the workplace...but now it has come full-circle to the point that it is negatively affecting the opposite gender to such an extent that the problems it intended to fix for one gender have become the problems now for the other.
Quote:No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
I would say that men are being excluded from participation and denied the benefits of many sports due to the scholarship balancing provision of Title IX nowadays (my brother was on a team that was Title IX'ed out of existence...so I'm a bit more partial than most there). I would also suggest that many Title IX Investigation practices tend to subject males to an unlawful discrimination and miscarriage of one of our justice system's primary tenets, the presumption of innocence...which is problematic given that Colleges and Universities should follow the United States judicial process given that last little bit of the word of the law.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-25-2017 07:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:43 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: (07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
As someone who has had to, in the past, work in an environment that conducted Title IX investigations in a University setting I wholeheartedly agree with that plaintiff and Mike Allen's sentiment. There is absolutely no due process being given in the investigations and damn near every investigation is a complete flip of our judicial system's main tenet of "innocent until proven guilty". If it's a public institution, which UC is, I feel that they MUST abide by that same policy if they choose to conduct their own judicial processes.
Title 9 is total liberal we all get a trophy BS which has m=now become gender bashing. Typical LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CRAP.
Awkward when you consider that it was signed into law by a Republican...
I agree to a certain extent. It was legislation for a past generation that did not see the purpose of gender equity in education and the workplace...but now it has come full-circle to the point that it is negatively affecting the opposite gender to such an extent that the problems it intended to fix for one gender have become the problems now for the other.
Quote:No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
I would say that men are being excluded from participation and denied the benefits of many sports due to the scholarship balancing provision of Title IX nowadays (my brother was on a team that was Title IX'ed out of existence...so I'm a bit more partial than most there). I would also suggest that many Title IX Investigation practices tend to subject males to an unlawful discrimination and miscarriage of one of our justice system's primary tenets, the presumption of innocence...which is problematic given that Colleges and Universities should follow the United States judicial process given that last little bit of the word of the law.
Yep. I shot on the rifle team, which is no more. We raised our own funds to support the sport and travel, there were no scholarships. Yet we were cut because there were no corresponding women dominated sports in which the ladies were willing to fundraise to play so the numbers has to be made even...... love how that works.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-25-2017 07:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:43 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: (07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
As someone who has had to, in the past, work in an environment that conducted Title IX investigations in a University setting I wholeheartedly agree with that plaintiff and Mike Allen's sentiment. There is absolutely no due process being given in the investigations and damn near every investigation is a complete flip of our judicial system's main tenet of "innocent until proven guilty". If it's a public institution, which UC is, I feel that they MUST abide by that same policy if they choose to conduct their own judicial processes.
Title 9 is total liberal we all get a trophy BS which has m=now become gender bashing. Typical LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CRAP.
Awkward when you consider that it was signed into law by a Republican...
I agree to a certain extent. It was legislation for a past generation that did not see the purpose of gender equity in education and the workplace...but now it has come full-circle to the point that it is negatively affecting the opposite gender to such an extent that the problems it intended to fix for one gender have become the problems now for the other.
Quote:No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
I would say that men are being excluded from participation and denied the benefits of many sports due to the scholarship balancing provision of Title IX nowadays (my brother was on a team that was Title IX'ed out of existence...so I'm a bit more partial than most there). I would also suggest that many Title IX Investigation practices tend to subject males to an unlawful discrimination and miscarriage of one of our justice system's primary tenets, the presumption of innocence...which is problematic given that Colleges and Universities should follow the United States judicial process given that last little bit of the word of the law.
That single sentence of Title IX has been stretched through the court system to cover quite a bit of ground. Colleges are in a no win situation in that no matter how they proceed they open themselves up to Title IX cases, sometimes from both sides of an incident at the same time.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-26-2017 09:46 AM)grubs Wrote: (07-25-2017 07:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: (07-24-2017 03:43 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: Mike Allen was talking about an extremely similar case on WLW this past Saturday. He said, in essence, that there is no doubt that due process has been thrown out of the window in these types of case at UC and almost every single college/university in the nation.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Legal Eagles -- have any insight?
As someone who has had to, in the past, work in an environment that conducted Title IX investigations in a University setting I wholeheartedly agree with that plaintiff and Mike Allen's sentiment. There is absolutely no due process being given in the investigations and damn near every investigation is a complete flip of our judicial system's main tenet of "innocent until proven guilty". If it's a public institution, which UC is, I feel that they MUST abide by that same policy if they choose to conduct their own judicial processes.
Title 9 is total liberal we all get a trophy BS which has m=now become gender bashing. Typical LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CRAP.
Awkward when you consider that it was signed into law by a Republican...
I agree to a certain extent. It was legislation for a past generation that did not see the purpose of gender equity in education and the workplace...but now it has come full-circle to the point that it is negatively affecting the opposite gender to such an extent that the problems it intended to fix for one gender have become the problems now for the other.
Quote:No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
I would say that men are being excluded from participation and denied the benefits of many sports due to the scholarship balancing provision of Title IX nowadays (my brother was on a team that was Title IX'ed out of existence...so I'm a bit more partial than most there). I would also suggest that many Title IX Investigation practices tend to subject males to an unlawful discrimination and miscarriage of one of our justice system's primary tenets, the presumption of innocence...which is problematic given that Colleges and Universities should follow the United States judicial process given that last little bit of the word of the law.
That single sentence of Title IX has been stretched through the court system to cover quite a bit of ground. Colleges are in a no win situation in that no matter how they proceed they open themselves up to Title IX cases, sometimes from both sides of an incident at the same time.
Completely agree...that's the main issue with direct legislation, not much every gets fleshed out when being signed into law, then it becomes the job of 9 justices to determine any changes.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
An update on this story, the girl who alleged she was raped has now filed a separate action against UC for "deliberate indifference to student-on-student assault". In other words, she is alleging UC failed to get the accused off campus in a timely manner.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-26-2017 01:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: (07-24-2017 02:33 PM)Fubar Wrote: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...-bias.html
An update on this story, the girl who alleged she was raped has now filed a separate action against UC for "deliberate indifference to student-on-student assault". In other words, she is alleging UC failed to get the accused off campus in a timely manner.
This girl is seeking financial compensation for UC not expelling this student (who was never convicted of a crime) fast enough.
We as a society are very fortunate to have so many selfless lawyers willing to pursue "justice," while only asking for money in return.
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(06-15-2017 02:24 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote: As a higher-ed professional, the spin on this is interesting. Growth is definitely important, but so is retention. It's easy to put out these numbers and feel good about UC's prospects, but at the same time, some additional information would paint a much clearer picture.
Other pieces of information that would have been helpful:
- 1st year retention rate (from the previous year)
- 5-6 year graduation rate
Here's info from UC's 2016-2017 Common Data Set.
https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/provos...ta_Set.pdf
Notes:
6 year grad rate for incoming students 2009: 65%
6 year grad rate for incoming students 2010: 67%
NOTE: Many Public Univ located in large metro areas generally have slightly older students, some who go to school part time because of employment so they tend to have higher 6 year grad rates vs some land grant schools located in the middle of no where that students want to get out ASAP.
Freshmen Retention Rate 2015: 87.9%
Plus other interesting info in regards to applications received, acceptance rate, enrollment rate, test scores, etc...
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RE: University of Cincinnati Expects Record Enrollment in Fall 2017
(07-26-2017 02:43 PM)KnightLight Wrote: (06-15-2017 02:24 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote: As a higher-ed professional, the spin on this is interesting. Growth is definitely important, but so is retention. It's easy to put out these numbers and feel good about UC's prospects, but at the same time, some additional information would paint a much clearer picture.
Other pieces of information that would have been helpful:
- 1st year retention rate (from the previous year)
- 5-6 year graduation rate
Here's info from UC's 2016-2017 Common Data Set.
https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/provos...ta_Set.pdf
Notes:
6 year grad rate for incoming students 2009: 65%
6 year grad rate for incoming students 2010: 67%
Freshmen Retention Rate 2015: 87.9%
Plus other interesting info in regards to applications received, acceptance rate, enrollment rate, test scores, etc...
Everything I've heard from their office in meetings I've had with their leadership makes me think they're seeing numbers tracking towards 90% which is an extremely good number this coming year. For reference, the national average is around 70%, give or take, depending on the year.
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