I don't know how much of this is Network driven and how much conference driven but I wish we could get to 4 leagues now. This board seems to feel it is more network driven while other boards feel it is more conference driven.

I know this is a SEC board but I can see where FOX would motivation to divide the Big 12 between the PAC & B1G or just add/8 teams into the PAC. If the PAC is going to be there product it will always be a weak sister if they don't get quality additions, and that is not happening with 4 teams. If they don't want to send the Big 12 minus Baylor & WVU to the PAC. why not:
PAC: Texas, TT, TCU, OSU, KSU & ISU
B1G: OU & KS
To my thinking this could be a win for both league. The PAC gets the needed market of Texas and CST product Or if there is that much network input FOX could really try and pressure the B1G to take KU & ISU(geographical and academic fits) so they could keep OU & OU together and this is probably less risk to OU in the long run than going to the B1G with just KU.
I know the LHN will be mentioned but just let Texas sign that check over to the conference or even let Texas keep that until the current agreement is up. I can't see where there is much value to ESPN to continue holding the contract for the LHN.

If ESPN wants to finish this:
SEC: OU, KU, ISU, TT or TCU
ACC: Texas, TT or TCU, KSU, OSU, WVU
If this is from a conference perspective I can see where each conference might complain a little about the additions but they also gain something. If it network driven, ESPN locks up Texas for itself.

Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

Academic prestige. Of course nobody cares about that because these are institutions of higher learning run by career educators.

The BIG didn't want Mizzu when it was begging to get in (IMHO a mistake on the BIG's part). More than likely it doesn't flip-flop on that next time.
When the B12 finally implodes, my bet is the BIG gets KU and OU.

(06-02-2017 08:27 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

Academic prestige. Of course nobody cares about that because these are institutions of higher learning run by career educators.

The BIG didn't want Mizzu when it was begging to get in (IMHO a mistake on the BIG's part). More than likely it doesn't flip-flop on that next time.
When the B12 finally implodes, my bet is the BIG gets KU and OU.

If there is network cooperation that could happen. ESPN wants Texas, FOX wants the Sooners and Kansas is more of a natural fit in the Big 10. But, the networks cooperating isn't likely.

The SEC probably doesn't want to take OSU or Texas Tech, but if they offered all 4 of the Oklahoma and Texas state schools that would be an offer the Big 10 couldn't reciprocate. It would probably also be the winning offer.

There is no magic number as long as the moves are profitable. I think either the Big 10 or SEC would move to 18 here with the right combination of schools. It's just that the Big 10 won't be taking OSU ever. But with the only targets coming from the Big 12 OU / KU are part of a very limited combination the Big 10 can offer.

Personally speaking, if there happened to be some network cooperation I could see OU / KU headed to the Big 10 and Texas / WVU or Texas / TTech headed to the SEC. ESPN's desire to hold onto Texas being the primary reason. ESPN's South of the Border moves being another. I think we get WVU if TCU and Tech are of interest to the PAC for a presence in the Texas/DFW market in general. If so Iowa State and KState could be possibles as well. That would place 8 dissolve the Big 12 and allow movement earlier than at the end of the GOR. And that's important to keep in mind because neither FOX nor ESPN want to compete head to head with Amazon and Hulu driving up the costs of resigning these conferences in 2023-4. Move now and FOX and ESPN can renegotiate existing contracts and extend them without interference from other bidders coming into play.

BTW: The aforementioned is also assuming that Cincinnati joins the ACC with N.D..

If it happened there is your 4 x 16

(06-02-2017 11:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 08:27 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

Academic prestige. Of course nobody cares about that because these are institutions of higher learning run by career educators.

The BIG didn't want Mizzu when it was begging to get in (IMHO a mistake on the BIG's part). More than likely it doesn't flip-flop on that next time.
When the B12 finally implodes, my bet is the BIG gets KU and OU.

If there is network cooperation that could happen. ESPN wants Texas, FOX wants the Sooners and Kansas is more of a natural fit in the Big 10. But, the networks cooperating isn't likely.

The SEC probably doesn't want to take OSU or Texas Tech, but if they offered all 4 of the Oklahoma and Texas state schools that would be an offer the Big 10 couldn't reciprocate. It would probably also be the winning offer.

There is no magic number as long as the moves are profitable. I think either the Big 10 or SEC would move to 18 here with the right combination of schools. It's just that the Big 10 won't be taking OSU ever. But with the only targets coming from the Big 12 OU / KU are part of a very limited combination the Big 10 can offer.

Personally speaking, if there happened to be some network cooperation I could see OU / KU headed to the Big 10 and Texas / WVU or Texas / TTech headed to the SEC. ESPN's desire to hold onto Texas being the primary reason. ESPN's South of the Border moves being another. I think we get WVU if TCU and Tech are of interest to the PAC for a presence in the Texas/DFW market in general. If so Iowa State and KState could be possibles as well. That would place 8 dissolve the Big 12 and allow movement earlier than at the end of the GOR. And that's important to keep in mind because neither FOX nor ESPN want to compete head to head with Amazon and Hulu driving up the costs of resigning these conferences in 2023-4. Move now and FOX and ESPN can renegotiate existing contracts and extend them without interference from other bidders coming into play.

BTW: The aforementioned is also assuming that Cincinnati joins the ACC with N.D..

If it happened there is your 4 x 16

I was thinking more along the lines of FOX and ESPN willing to take 8 or 9 of the 10 by themselves for different reasons. I really think FOX should have the motivation to consider it by making the PAC a legitmate league and trying to build their sport networks. The part about Nebraska sliding to the PAC was more out of fun than realism, but their fans would probably love it and they would have access to better recruiting grounds. The rub would be whether they get more research dollars by being in the B1G(lot of people debate that and I don't know the answer).
I see why you think it would be possible for FOX & ESPN to work together to extend the contract and GOR's and lock out the streaming competition for some time. The interesting thing though, if that is a real threat and they want content, this could be the vehicle that makes the Big 12 viable past 2025 because those services want product.

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

Bad for recruiting. lol

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

I enjoy tailgating in my T shirt or jersey. A BBQ pit should not have to be used to keep you from freezing to death.

(06-02-2017 01:25 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

I enjoy tailgating in my T shirt or jersey. A BBQ pit should not have to be used to keep you from freezing to death.

SOFTY!

(06-02-2017 01:25 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 02:00 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Or if you really wanted to make this interesting from the FOX side take Texas, TT, TCU, OU, OSU, KSU, ISU and then slide Nebraska back to the PAC with its old conference brethren and gives them access to Texas & California for recruiting. Send KU to the B1G, pluck Missouri from the SEC(it probably would make sense for both leagues) and make a final run at ND for the B1G. If ND was a no or it was felt the contracts couldn't be broken bring in UCONN.

That would really give FOX interesting games. With no ND maybe the B1G gets better basketball than football but its hard to see Nebraska under the current B1G as being a power again football wise anyway. KU & UCONN would be great bball additions/brand and it probably locks up the New England market for them.

The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

I enjoy tailgating in my T shirt or jersey. A BBQ pit should not have to be used to keep you from freezing to death.

Well we only tailgate in coats and ties for homecoming now (not like when I was in school when coats and ties were the norm for every football game). But even in Chapel Hill it gets chilly at least once a year....my tent has walls if necessary and I do have a heating attachment for a propane tank to keep the ladies warm.

(06-02-2017 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 01:25 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  The S.S. Missouri has sailed. Forget about it. There is nothing the B1G has that the SEC doesn't.

Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

I enjoy tailgating in my T shirt or jersey. A BBQ pit should not have to be used to keep you from freezing to death.

Well we only tailgate in coats and ties for homecoming now (not like when I was in school when coats and ties were the norm for every football game). But even in Chapel Hill it gets chilly at least once a year....my tent has walls if necessary and I do have a heating attachment for a propane tank to keep the ladies warm.

We tailgated during the beginning a full blown blizzard once. WV @ RU October 29, 2011. It was hardcore.

(06-03-2017 06:55 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 01:25 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  Well, there is a lot more snow and ice up there.

And road salt and therefore rust. Don't forget the Rust!

I enjoy tailgating in my T shirt or jersey. A BBQ pit should not have to be used to keep you from freezing to death.

Well we only tailgate in coats and ties for homecoming now (not like when I was in school when coats and ties were the norm for every football game). But even in Chapel Hill it gets chilly at least once a year....my tent has walls if necessary and I do have a heating attachment for a propane tank to keep the ladies warm.

We tailgated during the beginning a full blown blizzard once. WV @ RU October 29, 2011. It was hardcore.

+1 for sure