(06-02-2017 05:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:11 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 03:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 11:51 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 01:35 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I don't get that at all. They're not Wright State. Dayton is a very good program.

Quite simple.

UC beats Dayton in Cincy - no big deal, does not move the needle in perception or computer rankings.

UC loses to Dayton in Cincy - huge hit to rankings, bad loss for NCAA comparisons, and damages recruiting opportunities.

UC loses to Dayton at UD Arena - nice home win for UD, supports recruiting advantages, bad loss for UC.

UC beats Dayton at UD Arena- decent road win but does not even come close to an Iowa State road win. Recruits yawn.

There is very little to be gained by defeating UD. There is significant more to lose coming up short against the Flyers. The risk is not worth the very little upside.

I disagree on a lot of this. UC beating UD would be very helpful to UC as far as tournament seeding. The thing really holding UC back is wins over top 50/100 type teams. Home or away, if UD is similar to what they have been the last 4 years a win would help UC's resume more than you think.

I'd argue there is far less to lose in the game. A loss at UD is not a "bad loss" for UC and wouldn't be viewed as such by the committee which is what matters. I also think you drastically overvalue the recruiting impact of a win or two for UD over UC. That one game is going to be so minor in the scheme of where the program is. Recruits care about making the tournament, competing for championships, getting high seeds, being in the top 25. An additionally quality game is far more likely to help than hurt.

Nice that you disagree. But your opinion is not shared by the basketball department. Similarly, your opinion is not shared by Xavier.

"The thing really holding UC back is..." the AAC.

Sadly, the basketball department is doing itself a disservice then by scheduling games against no names that nobody cares about instead of a regional rival with a great fanbase. Xavier did it because they knew they had a strong conference schedule. UC no longer has that and could use the big game.

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Completely agree.

A series vs UD would be insanely popular locally. If it was annual, I could see it eclipsing the Shootout. When you consider that UD has a much bigger fanbase than Xavier, I could even see a situation where a UC-UD series would diminish Xavier's relevance, which would only be a good thing.

Worries about a "bad loss" are silly. How bad did that "neutral" site loss to Rhode Island hurt us this year?

(06-07-2017 12:32 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:11 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 03:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 11:51 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Quite simple.

UC beats Dayton in Cincy - no big deal, does not move the needle in perception or computer rankings.

UC loses to Dayton in Cincy - huge hit to rankings, bad loss for NCAA comparisons, and damages recruiting opportunities.

UC loses to Dayton at UD Arena - nice home win for UD, supports recruiting advantages, bad loss for UC.

UC beats Dayton at UD Arena- decent road win but does not even come close to an Iowa State road win. Recruits yawn.

There is very little to be gained by defeating UD. There is significant more to lose coming up short against the Flyers. The risk is not worth the very little upside.

I disagree on a lot of this. UC beating UD would be very helpful to UC as far as tournament seeding. The thing really holding UC back is wins over top 50/100 type teams. Home or away, if UD is similar to what they have been the last 4 years a win would help UC's resume more than you think.

I'd argue there is far less to lose in the game. A loss at UD is not a "bad loss" for UC and wouldn't be viewed as such by the committee which is what matters. I also think you drastically overvalue the recruiting impact of a win or two for UD over UC. That one game is going to be so minor in the scheme of where the program is. Recruits care about making the tournament, competing for championships, getting high seeds, being in the top 25. An additionally quality game is far more likely to help than hurt.

Nice that you disagree. But your opinion is not shared by the basketball department. Similarly, your opinion is not shared by Xavier.

"The thing really holding UC back is..." the AAC.

Sadly, the basketball department is doing itself a disservice then by scheduling games against no names that nobody cares about instead of a regional rival with a great fanbase. Xavier did it because they knew they had a strong conference schedule. UC no longer has that and could use the big game.

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Completely agree.

A series vs UD would be insanely popular locally. If it was annual, I could see it eclipsing the Shootout. When you consider that UD has a much bigger fanbase than Xavier, I could even see a situation where a UC-UD series would diminish Xavier's relevance, which would only be a good thing.

Worries about a "bad loss" are silly. How bad did that "neutral" site loss to Rhode Island hurt us this year?

Cincinnati-Dayton should play every year but that game is never going to bigger than the Xavier game. Do people quickly forget the attendance for the last couple of games against Dayton, barely anyone at the NIT game and the US Bank Arena game. Look a regular season game against UD would be a great draw but lets not forget that the Flyers outside of the Archie Miller run have ranged from average to decent over the last 25 years. Cincinnati should host Dayton every year they play at Xavier and travel to Dayton when Xavier comes here. Bearcats will be playing Xavier and UCLA at home when the new arena opens. This years schedules Xavier, UCLA, Florida, and Miss State.

(06-02-2017 11:51 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 01:35 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I don't get that at all. They're not Wright State. Dayton is a very good program.

Quite simple.

UC beats Dayton in Cincy - no big deal, does not move the needle in perception or computer rankings.

UC loses to Dayton in Cincy - huge hit to rankings, bad loss for NCAA comparisons, and damages recruiting opportunities.

UC loses to Dayton at UD Arena - nice home win for UD, supports recruiting advantages, bad loss for UC.

UC beats Dayton at UD Arena- decent road win but does not even come close to an Iowa State road win. Recruits yawn.

There is very little to be gained by defeating UD. There is significant more to lose coming up short against the Flyers. The risk is not worth the very little upside.

I don't necessarily disagree but that makes us sound like O$U fans

(06-11-2017 09:40 PM)Fubar Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 11:51 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 01:35 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I don't get that at all. They're not Wright State. Dayton is a very good program.

Quite simple.

UC beats Dayton in Cincy - no big deal, does not move the needle in perception or computer rankings.

UC loses to Dayton in Cincy - huge hit to rankings, bad loss for NCAA comparisons, and damages recruiting opportunities.

UC loses to Dayton at UD Arena - nice home win for UD, supports recruiting advantages, bad loss for UC.

UC beats Dayton at UD Arena- decent road win but does not even come close to an Iowa State road win. Recruits yawn.

There is very little to be gained by defeating UD. There is significant more to lose coming up short against the Flyers. The risk is not worth the very little upside.

I don't necessarily disagree but that makes us sound like O$U fans

That was not meant to be my opinion. It's the way UC looks at the possible series. Heard similar comments from Bohn, Babcock, and Mick over the years.

Personally, I would love the series especially since I'm now on a coaching staff at Dayton. I have been following the Flyers all the way back to when Donoher called time-out just before UD's Donald Smith hit a game winning shot against UCLA in the tournament. The ref waved off the basket which would have ended UCLA's incredible national championship streak.