(06-04-2017 08:17 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Portland guy was spewing anti Muslim propaganda at a girl. Two people intervened and were killed. How is that NOT in the name of a religion? I'll read up more on it.

What religion did he kill them in the name of?

(06-04-2017 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It should start with honesty. I gaurantee you that list is bull****

I guarantee you it's low.

Quote:About the List of Attacks


This list of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about five a day) is incomplete because not all such attacks are picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life.

These are not incidents of ordinary crime involving nominal Muslims killing for money or vendetta. We only include incidents of deadly violence that are reasonably determined to have been committed out of religious duty - as interpreted by the perpetrator. Islam needs to be a motive, but it need not be the only factor.

For example, the Munich mall shooting in July, 2016 was by a Muslim, but it is not on the list, because it was not inspired by a sense of religious duty.

We usually list only attacks resulting in loss of life (with a handful of exceptions). In several cases, the deaths are undercounted because deaths from trauma caused by the Islamists may occur in later days, despite the best efforts of medical personnel to keep the victims alive.

In 2014, the BBC did a thorough analysis of Islamic terror attacks occurring during the month of November. They found 664 attacks and 5,042 deaths. Our list has only 284 attacks and 2,515 deaths for that month, meaning that we under-counted the true extent of Islamic terror by a significant margin.

We usually don't include incidents related to combat, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, unless it involves particularly heinous terror tactics, such as suicide bombings or attacks on troops while they are sleeping in their barracks or providing medical care to the local population. (The BBC study apparently did not differentiate).

We acknowledge that a handful of incidents on our list may not fit the traditional definition of 'terror attack.' A small portion, for example, are of honor killings - although we usually omit those in which the woman is killed by her husband, since this is often indistinguishable from a crime of passion (barring explicit circumstances). Our stance on honor killings is that the stabbing, shooting or strangling of a woman over "unIslamic" behavior constitutes Islamic terror.

Our counter reflects most of the deadly attacks on our list. This figure may be a bit more than the number of line items, since multiple incidents are sometimes grouped into the same record.

Honor killings and attacks that result in no loss of life are not included in the counter even if they appear on the list.

Unfortunately, this list of Muslim terrorist attacks barely scratches the surface of atrocities committed in the name of Islam occurring world-wide each day. For that reason, we don't tally up the dead and dismembered, except on a weekly and monthly basis.

Some armchair critics try to minimize the problem by contrasting the number of casualties to other statistics. This is an unfair comparison since it does not account for the staggering amount of global resources devoted to containing Islamic terror - including the lives of security personnel. That so many civilians are killed despite this underscores both the threat and its uniqueness, since other religions do not merit this attention.

The incidents are collected each day from public news sources. There is no rumor or word-of-mouth involved. Although every attempt is made to be accurate and consistent, we are not making the claim that this is a scientific product.

Unlike the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which publishes a tally of alleged "hate crimes" each year without supporting data, we do provide detail of each incident that we claim as a terror attack and make it available for verification.

The point of this list is not to convince anyone that they are in mortal danger or that Muslims are innately dangerous people (they are not, of course). Rather it is to point out that Islam is different. No other religion inspires the sort of terrorism that the "Religion of Peace" produces. It should be acceptable to question and critique the teachings, particularly those that are supremacist in nature.

We also hope that this list offers moral perspective against so-called "Islamophobia" and other complaints from Muslim identity groups that are petty by comparison. Who knows - perhaps one day these groups will decide to take the sort of action expected of those who truly believe that it is wrong to kill in the name of their religion.

(06-04-2017 07:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's just not in my nature to collectively punish. I recognize the problem but there have been violent acts in many many names. Where do you draw the line on collective punishment? Serious question.

Not necessary to punish anyone if they are not here to commit any atrocities.

(06-04-2017 09:19 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 07:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's just not in my nature to collectively punish. I recognize the problem but there have been violent acts in many many names. Where do you draw the line on collective punishment? Serious question.

Not necessary to punish anyone if they are not here to commit any atrocities.

Not here, not yet, but different story in England.

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(06-04-2017 08:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Portlands mayor calls it terrorism. 2 people died protecting a woman.

http://www.king5.com/news/wheeler-on-att.../443962605

The Bernie voter?

(06-04-2017 08:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So how do you address the problem without violating some innocent persons civil liberties?

Put it this way. I'll take one from your side. Would you support not allowing anybody on a terrorist watch list from buying an Ar-15? That's what I am getting at.

We can even get that and in most cases that would seem like a no brainer.

No, not until the is a system of due process involved in getting put on and removed from the list.

We've got eight years of evidence of how your side of the aisle is willing to abuse the regulatory process to circumvent Congress, no way am I willing to give you loons a chance at a back door gun ban.

(06-04-2017 11:10 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 08:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So how do you address the problem without violating some innocent persons civil liberties?

Put it this way. I'll take one from your side. Would you support not allowing anybody on a terrorist watch list from buying an Ar-15? That's what I am getting at.

We can even get that and in most cases that would seem like a no brainer.

No, not until the is a system of due process involved in getting put on and removed from the list.

We've got eight years of evidence of how your side of the aisle is willing to abuse the regulatory process to circumvent Congress, no way am I willing to give you loons a chance at a back door gun ban.

Ditto. Jezz, the left calls and has every white Christian conservative on their list as terrorist's. Only group the don't list are... Islamic terrorists.

Would be used for nothing more than taking law abiding folks guns away.

The portland guy was a hate crime, not a terrorist action.

Machiavelli dateline='' Wrote:  So how do you address the problem without violating some innocent persons civil liberties?

Simple answer you cant. What you can do is stop importing Islam into the country. You can also keep an eye on the ones that are here like Obama kept an eye on his political enemies

If I were king I would outright ban that religion.

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Someones civil liberties (who happens to self identify with a terrorist organization... Islam*)... someone else's life... I know which I'd look out for first.


*figured I better name it for the confused coexist apologists.

(06-04-2017 07:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  46 attacks 510 kills. That just seems suspect. Where's the anti Muslim Portland guys kills too? That list is propaganda boys. Plain and simple.

I've been reading the opinions of left-leaners in comments sections of Washington Post, BBC, NYT, etc. And I've seen the Portland thing brought up numerous times.

Look, I'll side with any liberal who says that we simply cannot demonize everyday Muslims over this. Not to sound cliche, but it's what the terrorists want.

But drawing any equivalences to the Portland murder - the new Timothy McVeigh go-to rebuttal, I suppose - is as dishonest as it gets. There is zero comparison in terms of reach, organization and sheer global numbers.

It's like comparing Michael Jordan to Darko Milicic because the latter scored a few buckets.

(06-04-2017 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It should start with honesty. I gaurantee you that list is bull****

I have no idea if the list is valid or not. I don't though need list to know radical Islamists are scum and need exterminating.

(06-04-2017 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It should start with honesty. I gaurantee you that list is bull****

If you are going to make that claim then it's dependent on you to prove it.

So prove it.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17346/musl...enshapiro#

Quote:Muslims Go On Killing Spree During Ramadan -- 950 Dead So Far, More Than 1,000 Wounded

The commandment of jihad, which is of supreme importance at all times, assumes even greater importance during this holy month and gains precedence over all other commandments… On Ramadan Allah grants fighters special strength, despite – or rather by virtue of – their fasting. Those who gain martyrdom during the month of Ramadan are doubly rewarded in Paradise," the institute says.

(06-09-2017 10:10 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  http://www.dailywire.com/news/17346/musl...enshapiro#

Quote:Muslims Go On Killing Spree During Ramadan -- 950 Dead So Far, More Than 1,000 Wounded

The commandment of jihad, which is of supreme importance at all times, assumes even greater importance during this holy month and gains precedence over all other commandments… On Ramadan Allah grants fighters special strength, despite – or rather by virtue of – their fasting. Those who gain martyrdom during the month of Ramadan are doubly rewarded in Paradise," the institute says.

If we are going to bring up Portland, then we simply need another column for "People Killed By Bernie Supporters".