(05-25-2017 11:27 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The team that received the ball first in OT in the NFL won something like 53% of the time. Not enough to create all these complex rules (like if the first team to score scores a field goal the other team gets the ball but if they score a TD the other team doesn't get the ball - what type of sense does that make?) or turn the extra period into a scrimmage.

that isnt a rule in anyones overtime

for college its simple, both get the ball, whoever has more points after that wins.. if its a tie do it again but you have to go for 2

its not that complicated

Hate it. One of our best wins were ties

Pretty sure that's the NFL rule, at least in the postseason. Or maybe it only applies to the first possession. Which adds to my point, since I can't even remember the rule.

(05-25-2017 11:32 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Pretty sure that's the NFL rule, at least in the postseason. Or maybe it only applies to the first possession. Which adds to my point, since I can't even remember the rule.

no the nfl rule is first tounchown wins...field goal and you get a chance to respond

if you win the coin toss, and score the game is over .. imagine that in college, every big 12 overtime game will be decided by the coin toss

Chappy Wrote:
The team that received the ball first in OT in the NFL won something like 53% of the time. Not enough to create all these complex rules (like if the first team to score scores a field goal the other team gets the ball but if they score a TD the other team doesn't get the ball - what type of sense does that make?) or turn the extra period into a scrimmage.

pesik Wrote:
that isnt a rule in anyones overtime

for college its simple, both get the ball, whoever has more points after that wins.. if its a tie do it again but you have to go for 2

its not that complicated

(05-25-2017 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 11:32 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Pretty sure that's the NFL rule, at least in the postseason. Or maybe it only applies to the first possession. Which adds to my point, since I can't even remember the rule.

no the nfl rule is first tounchown wins...field goal and you get a chance to respond

if you win the coin toss, and score the game is over .. imagine that in college, every big 12 overtime game will be decided by the coin toss

Oh so exactly what he said originally then?

(05-25-2017 12:33 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Chappy Wrote:
The team that received the ball first in OT in the NFL won something like 53% of the time. Not enough to create all these complex rules (like if the first team to score scores a field goal the other team gets the ball but if they score a TD the other team doesn't get the ball - what type of sense does that make?) or turn the extra period into a scrimmage.

pesik Wrote:
that isnt a rule in anyones overtime

for college its simple, both get the ball, whoever has more points after that wins.. if its a tie do it again but you have to go for 2

its not that complicated

(05-25-2017 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 11:32 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Pretty sure that's the NFL rule, at least in the postseason. Or maybe it only applies to the first possession. Which adds to my point, since I can't even remember the rule.

no the nfl rule is first tounchown wins...field goal and you get a chance to respond

if you win the coin toss, and score the game is over .. imagine that in college, every big 12 overtime game will be decided by the coin toss

Oh so exactly what he said originally then?

my post isnt confusing its his....
i just re-read it....

he is defending the nfl rules..but saying the nfl rules are complex... i didnt understand what he meant till you pointed it out.. i thought he meant that if you score you get the ball back...i didnt realize he meant you win

i think chappy is on my side but mixed up the nfl and college rules

With the NFL's dumb decision to limit OT during regular season to 10 mins...a slow clock controlling offense that wins the toss could go on a 8-9 long FG scoring drive leaving the opposition without much time at all to tie up or win the game.

NFL Rules Committee just had to come up with some stupid rule change (that might only impact a few games per year) to justify those catered meals and hotel bills for these silly meetings.

(05-25-2017 12:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 12:33 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 11:32 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Pretty sure that's the NFL rule, at least in the postseason. Or maybe it only applies to the first possession. Which adds to my point, since I can't even remember the rule.

no the nfl rule is first tounchown wins...field goal and you get a chance to respond

if you win the coin toss, and score the game is over .. imagine that in college, every big 12 overtime game will be decided by the coin toss

Oh so exactly what he said originally then?

my post isnt confusing its his....
i just re-read it....

he is defending the nfl rules..but saying the nfl rules are complex... i didnt understand what he meant till you pointed it out.. i thought he meant that if you score you get the ball back...i didnt realize he meant you win

i think chappy is on my side but mixed up the nfl and college rules

Gotcha. Yeah I'm fully in favor of college rules as well. Both teams should get the ball, and at NO point should there ever be a tie.

You get out there and lose!

The problem with College overtime is that it can go for about 4 or 5 overtime periods. Granted those are possessions and not full 15 minute quarters, but I stand by what I said. You had 60 minutes to win the game. If you don't after 60 minutes, no need to be "fair" and make sure each side has a possession.

Teams that receive in OT win about 53% of the time. It's nearly even.

Have your defense make a stop if you want to win in overtime. Or even better, win the game during regulation.

(05-25-2017 09:24 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 08:19 AM)megadrone Wrote:  I always liked sudden death. My feeling -- you had 60 minutes to win the game and you didn't. Play in overtime until someone puts points on the board.

Statistically, getting the ball first did not have much impact on who wins in overtime, so the "fairness" aspect of requiring both teams to have the ball in OT isn't valid IMO.

I feel that with the short season football had, games shouldn't end in a tie, and I like the concept of overtime. Sudden death is my model of choice.

I agree with everything you said.

Me too.

(05-25-2017 01:44 PM)megadrone Wrote:  The problem with College overtime is that it can go for about 4 or 5 overtime periods. Granted those are possessions and not full 15 minute quarters, but I stand by what I said. You had 60 minutes to win the game. If you don't after 60 minutes, no need to be "fair" and make sure each side has a possession.

Teams that receive in OT win about 53% of the time. It's nearly even.

Have your defense make a stop if you want to win in overtime. Or even better, win the game during regulation.

no, if i see 2 teams battle it out and have an epic game go into overtime.i want both teams to have an opportunity to win it with their strengths and what got them there.

also its extremely rare for games to make it to the 4th overtime..after the second you have to go for 2..matching score for score is extremely rare into the 5th

(05-25-2017 01:44 PM)megadrone Wrote:  The problem with College overtime is that it can go for about 4 or 5 overtime periods. Granted those are possessions and not full 15 minute quarters, but I stand by what I said. You had 60 minutes to win the game. If you don't after 60 minutes, no need to be "fair" and make sure each side has a possession.

Teams that receive in OT win about 53% of the time. It's nearly even.

Have your defense make a stop if you want to win in overtime. Or even better, win the game during regulation.

Can you provide support for your percentage? It was my understanding that, when they moved the kickoff in '94, the percentage jumped to 60%, with teams that win the toss winning on the first possession 35% of the time.

Nfl overtime is dumb and ties are fir whimps. There needs to always bee a winner and the excuse well then they should have won it in regulation is friggin dumb. Its a game you have a winner period, if they couldn't win it in regulation it means those teams are so good they need more time and a die destroys that leaving you with nothing.

(05-25-2017 02:19 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:44 PM)megadrone Wrote:  The problem with College overtime is that it can go for about 4 or 5 overtime periods. Granted those are possessions and not full 15 minute quarters, but I stand by what I said. You had 60 minutes to win the game. If you don't after 60 minutes, no need to be "fair" and make sure each side has a possession.

Teams that receive in OT win about 53% of the time. It's nearly even.

Have your defense make a stop if you want to win in overtime. Or even better, win the game during regulation.

Can you provide support for your percentage? It was my understanding that, when they moved the kickoff in '94, the percentage jumped to 60%, with teams that win the toss winning on the first possession 35% of the time.

I'd have to look -- but it's what was driven home on any NFL broadcast when OT started.

(05-25-2017 06:12 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Listening to Mike and Mike this morning and he said that the way that overtime in college football is setup was the worst idea ever. And it takes away from the game. How does everybody else feel about it? I like the way is setup. At least you have a winner at the end of the game. I never understood a tie in football, especially in the nfl.

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I like it except that each team is guaranteed to be put in field goal range for most kickers. Guarantee both teams the ball but start them at the 40 or farther back. Make them earn scoring position. Way better than that NFL crap which leads to ties. Did you know they just shortened NFL overtime?

(05-25-2017 12:39 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  With the NFL's dumb decision to limit OT during regular season to 10 mins...a slow clock controlling offense that wins the toss could go on a 8-9 long FG scoring drive leaving the opposition without much time at all to tie up or win the game.

NFL Rules Committee just had to come up with some stupid rule change (that might only impact a few games per year) to justify those catered meals and hotel bills for these silly meetings.

If anything, the NFL needs to make OT longer or just go back to sudden death. Heck, if it was about player safety, which was the justification, then they shoudln't have OT at all in the regular season.

(05-25-2017 01:44 PM)megadrone Wrote:  The problem with College overtime is that it can go for about 4 or 5 overtime periods. Granted those are possessions and not full 15 minute quarters, but I stand by what I said. You had 60 minutes to win the game. If you don't after 60 minutes, no need to be "fair" and make sure each side has a possession.

Teams that receive in OT win about 53% of the time. It's nearly even.

Have your defense make a stop if you want to win in overtime. Or even better, win the game during regulation.

The same argument could be made in basketball, but I don't see anyone complaining about Bball OT's.

If you take away the mandated possessions for both sides then you're basically saying that one team's star player might not decide the outcome of the game. It's like when Tom Brady gets to end the game without ever letting Drew Bree's get his offense on the field. It just leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Sudden death is fine in sports where players play both offense and defense (like soccer) but when you have to units designed to play both, you should give everyone a chance to contribute to a victory and not put all the onus on one squad during the overtime.

College football's overtime rules are far superior to the NFL for one simple reason: THERE IS A DAMN WINNER! Ties are horrible, and the NFL is showing itself to be made up of a bunch of idiots for owners.

CFB overtime is one of the greatest competitive game rule inventions of the history of sport.

I've been pitching the idea of full roster "tackle the man with the ball" instead of overtime for a long time. First team to get the ball over their goal wins the game. Can't seem to get the NCAA to get on board with it.

Don't tell me you would not like to see this.