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Obama intel agency secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years
Wow.....Lets see how the MSM covers this.....Now lets get a Special Counsel for this investigation.....better buckle up...


Quote:The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.
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More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.
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The normally supportive court excoriated administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to a “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017.

The admitted violations undercut one of the primary defenses that the intelligence community and Obama officials have used in recent weeks to justify their snooping into incidental NSA intercepts about Americans.
3 of 12


Circa has reported that there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after Obama loosened the privacy rules in 2011.

Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legals under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses.
4 of 12


The intelligence court and the NSA’s own internal watchdog found that not to be true.

“Since 2011, NSA’s minimization procedures have prohibited use of U.S.-person identifiers to query the results of upstream Internet collections under Section 702,” the unsealed court ruling declared. “The Oct. 26, 2016 notice informed the court that NSA analysts had been conducting such queries inviolation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had been previously disclosed to the Court.”
5 of 12



The American Civil Liberties Union said the newly disclosed violations are some of the most serious to ever be documented and strongly call into question the U.S. intelligence community’s ability to police itself and safeguard American’s privacy as guaranteed by the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unlawful search and seizure.

“I think what this emphasizes is the shocking lack of oversight of these programs,” said Neema Singh Guliani, the ACLU’s legislative counsel in Washington.
6 of 12


“You have these problems going on for years that only come to the attention of the court late in the game and then it takes additional years to change its practices.

“I think it does call into question all those defenses that we kept hearing, that we always have a robust oversight structure and we have culture of adherence to privacy standards,” she added. “And the headline now is they actually haven’t been in compliacne for years and the FISA court itself says in its opinion is that the NSA suffers from a culture of a lack of candor.”
7 of 12


The NSA acknowledged it self-disclosed the mass violations to the court last fall and that in April it took the extraordinary step of suspending the type of searches that were violating the rules, even deleting prior collected data on Americans to avoid any further violations.

“NSA will no longer collect certain internet communications that merely mention a foreign intelligence target,” the agency said in the statement that was dated April 28 and placed on its Web site without capturing much media or congressional attention.
8 of 12


In question is the collection of what is known as upstream “about data”about an American that is collected even though they were not directly in contact with a foreigner that the NSA was legally allowed to intercept.

The NSA said it doesn't have the ability to stop collecting ‘about’ information on Americans, “without losing some other important data. ” It, however, said it would stop the practice to “reduce the chance that it would acquire communication of U.S. persons or others who are not in direct contact with a foreign intelligence target.”
9 of 12


The NSA said it also plans to “delete the vast majority of its upstream internet data to further protect the privacy of U.S. person communications.”

Agency officials called the violations “inadvertent compliance lapses.” But the court and IG documents suggest the NSA had not developed a technological way to comply with the rules they had submitted to the court in 2011.
10 of 12


Officials "explained that NSA query compliance is largely maintained through a series of manual checks" and had not "included the proper limiters" to prevent unlawful searches, the NSA internal watchdog reported in a top secret report in January that was just declassified. A new system is being developed now, officials said.

The NSA conducts thousand of searches a year on data involving Americans and the actual numbers of violations were redacted from the documents Circa reviewed.
11 of 12


But a chart in the report showed there three types of violations, the most frequent being 5.2 percent of the time when NSA Section 702 upstream data on U.S. persons was searched.

The inspector general also found noncompliance between 0.7 percent and 1.4 percent of the time involving NSA activities in which there was a court order to target an American for spying but the rules were still not followed. Those activities are known as Section 704 and Section 705 spying.
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Quote:Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legal under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses.
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The intelligence court and the NSA’s own internal watchdog found that not to be true.

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And no special counsel needed. Jeff Sessions can handle this one.
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I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.
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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.

Truthfully, I'm betting a lot of this was done without Obama's direct knowledge of these activities going on, so I'm not convinced it's "Obama's fault", although the buck stops at the President.

It sure leads one to believe that we have this massive group of "security organizations" within the Federal government that our elected officials have lost control/oversight of.

If we value privacy as a people, at some point we have to reign in these intelligence organizations and punish any in those organizations that get caught going beyond what is allowed concerning American citizens.
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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.

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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.

Sounds like TDS to me.

My wife's immediate reaction to that story was that it was probably hot. Melania is 47. It is that time in her life.

ISIS sprouted under Obama. Terrorists spread across the globe under Obama. Like Hillary, Obama did a lot of stuff. That doesn't mean it was useful. Hillary failed at every job she had. To use a phrase, "Are you safer than you were 8 years ago?" Of course not.
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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread.

You seem to think that every time the government spies on someone, it must in the name of "national security."
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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.

Only that's not likely why she slapped his hand away. It isn't customary for men and women to hold hands in Saudi Arabia. Much to the disappointment of Trump haters, it's more likely that Melania knew this and her little hand slap was a reminder to her husband than that she was saying "keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep."
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#OBAMAGATE

Hey, remember when the libturds were laughing about Trump saying he had his "wires tapped?" Now, they have to come up with excuses as to why it was ok to do so.

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how can we "buckle up" when it seems like those investigating can't get anything done?
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Don't be naive. The odds of a vast pool of secret info on Americans NOT being used for political purposes by the party in power is almost nil.

There is always a Craig Livingstone around to take the fall.

This is why we don't trust government agencies to police themselves...or give them more Patriot Act than they can handle responsibly.



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(05-24-2017 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Don't be naive. The odds of a vast pool of secret info on Americans NOT being used for political purposes by the party in power is almost nil.

There is always a Craig Livingstone around to take the fall.

This is why we don't trust government agencies to police themselves...or give them more Patriot Act than they can handle responsibly.



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Barack Obama will go down as the worst presidential violator of the constitution in American history.
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(05-24-2017 10:25 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Barack Obama will go down as the worst presidential violator of the constitution in American history.

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(05-23-2017 08:32 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Wow.....Lets see how the MSM covers this.....Now lets get a Special Counsel for this investigation.....better buckle up...


Quote:The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.
1 of 12


More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.
2 of 12


The normally supportive court excoriated administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to a “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017.

The admitted violations undercut one of the primary defenses that the intelligence community and Obama officials have used in recent weeks to justify their snooping into incidental NSA intercepts about Americans.
3 of 12


Circa has reported that there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after Obama loosened the privacy rules in 2011.

Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legals under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses.
4 of 12


The intelligence court and the NSA’s own internal watchdog found that not to be true.

“Since 2011, NSA’s minimization procedures have prohibited use of U.S.-person identifiers to query the results of upstream Internet collections under Section 702,” the unsealed court ruling declared. “The Oct. 26, 2016 notice informed the court that NSA analysts had been conducting such queries inviolation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had been previously disclosed to the Court.”
5 of 12



The American Civil Liberties Union said the newly disclosed violations are some of the most serious to ever be documented and strongly call into question the U.S. intelligence community’s ability to police itself and safeguard American’s privacy as guaranteed by the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unlawful search and seizure.

“I think what this emphasizes is the shocking lack of oversight of these programs,” said Neema Singh Guliani, the ACLU’s legislative counsel in Washington.
6 of 12


“You have these problems going on for years that only come to the attention of the court late in the game and then it takes additional years to change its practices.

“I think it does call into question all those defenses that we kept hearing, that we always have a robust oversight structure and we have culture of adherence to privacy standards,” she added. “And the headline now is they actually haven’t been in compliacne for years and the FISA court itself says in its opinion is that the NSA suffers from a culture of a lack of candor.”
7 of 12


The NSA acknowledged it self-disclosed the mass violations to the court last fall and that in April it took the extraordinary step of suspending the type of searches that were violating the rules, even deleting prior collected data on Americans to avoid any further violations.

“NSA will no longer collect certain internet communications that merely mention a foreign intelligence target,” the agency said in the statement that was dated April 28 and placed on its Web site without capturing much media or congressional attention.
8 of 12


In question is the collection of what is known as upstream “about data”about an American that is collected even though they were not directly in contact with a foreigner that the NSA was legally allowed to intercept.

The NSA said it doesn't have the ability to stop collecting ‘about’ information on Americans, “without losing some other important data. ” It, however, said it would stop the practice to “reduce the chance that it would acquire communication of U.S. persons or others who are not in direct contact with a foreign intelligence target.”
9 of 12


The NSA said it also plans to “delete the vast majority of its upstream internet data to further protect the privacy of U.S. person communications.”

Agency officials called the violations “inadvertent compliance lapses.” But the court and IG documents suggest the NSA had not developed a technological way to comply with the rules they had submitted to the court in 2011.
10 of 12


Officials "explained that NSA query compliance is largely maintained through a series of manual checks" and had not "included the proper limiters" to prevent unlawful searches, the NSA internal watchdog reported in a top secret report in January that was just declassified. A new system is being developed now, officials said.

The NSA conducts thousand of searches a year on data involving Americans and the actual numbers of violations were redacted from the documents Circa reviewed.
11 of 12


But a chart in the report showed there three types of violations, the most frequent being 5.2 percent of the time when NSA Section 702 upstream data on U.S. persons was searched.

The inspector general also found noncompliance between 0.7 percent and 1.4 percent of the time involving NSA activities in which there was a court order to target an American for spying but the rules were still not followed. Those activities are known as Section 704 and Section 705 spying.
12 of 12

http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-...-americans

lol....I like how they didnt report it until they realized they were not going to be controlling the WH anymore.....03-lmfao
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(05-24-2017 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2017 08:32 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Wow.....Lets see how the MSM covers this.....Now lets get a Special Counsel for this investigation.....better buckle up...


Quote:The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.
1 of 12


More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.
2 of 12


The normally supportive court excoriated administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to a “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017.

The admitted violations undercut one of the primary defenses that the intelligence community and Obama officials have used in recent weeks to justify their snooping into incidental NSA intercepts about Americans.
3 of 12


Circa has reported that there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after Obama loosened the privacy rules in 2011.

Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legals under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses.
4 of 12


The intelligence court and the NSA’s own internal watchdog found that not to be true.

“Since 2011, NSA’s minimization procedures have prohibited use of U.S.-person identifiers to query the results of upstream Internet collections under Section 702,” the unsealed court ruling declared. “The Oct. 26, 2016 notice informed the court that NSA analysts had been conducting such queries inviolation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had been previously disclosed to the Court.”
5 of 12



The American Civil Liberties Union said the newly disclosed violations are some of the most serious to ever be documented and strongly call into question the U.S. intelligence community’s ability to police itself and safeguard American’s privacy as guaranteed by the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unlawful search and seizure.

“I think what this emphasizes is the shocking lack of oversight of these programs,” said Neema Singh Guliani, the ACLU’s legislative counsel in Washington.
6 of 12


“You have these problems going on for years that only come to the attention of the court late in the game and then it takes additional years to change its practices.

“I think it does call into question all those defenses that we kept hearing, that we always have a robust oversight structure and we have culture of adherence to privacy standards,” she added. “And the headline now is they actually haven’t been in compliacne for years and the FISA court itself says in its opinion is that the NSA suffers from a culture of a lack of candor.”
7 of 12


The NSA acknowledged it self-disclosed the mass violations to the court last fall and that in April it took the extraordinary step of suspending the type of searches that were violating the rules, even deleting prior collected data on Americans to avoid any further violations.

“NSA will no longer collect certain internet communications that merely mention a foreign intelligence target,” the agency said in the statement that was dated April 28 and placed on its Web site without capturing much media or congressional attention.
8 of 12


In question is the collection of what is known as upstream “about data”about an American that is collected even though they were not directly in contact with a foreigner that the NSA was legally allowed to intercept.

The NSA said it doesn't have the ability to stop collecting ‘about’ information on Americans, “without losing some other important data. ” It, however, said it would stop the practice to “reduce the chance that it would acquire communication of U.S. persons or others who are not in direct contact with a foreign intelligence target.”
9 of 12


The NSA said it also plans to “delete the vast majority of its upstream internet data to further protect the privacy of U.S. person communications.”

Agency officials called the violations “inadvertent compliance lapses.” But the court and IG documents suggest the NSA had not developed a technological way to comply with the rules they had submitted to the court in 2011.
10 of 12


Officials "explained that NSA query compliance is largely maintained through a series of manual checks" and had not "included the proper limiters" to prevent unlawful searches, the NSA internal watchdog reported in a top secret report in January that was just declassified. A new system is being developed now, officials said.

The NSA conducts thousand of searches a year on data involving Americans and the actual numbers of violations were redacted from the documents Circa reviewed.
11 of 12


But a chart in the report showed there three types of violations, the most frequent being 5.2 percent of the time when NSA Section 702 upstream data on U.S. persons was searched.

The inspector general also found noncompliance between 0.7 percent and 1.4 percent of the time involving NSA activities in which there was a court order to target an American for spying but the rules were still not followed. Those activities are known as Section 704 and Section 705 spying.
12 of 12

http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-...-americans

lol....I like how they didnt report it until they realized they were not going to be controlling the WH anymore.....03-lmfao

And now we know that Susan Rice lied yet again.
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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.

I love how you make sh*t up just so you can have your flimsy excuse to "unload" on the President.
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(05-23-2017 11:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I love how people here claim Obama did nothing in terms of national security, and then claim he did illegal searches in a different thread. Oh well it allows me to start another thread on something idiotic Trump does in return. And since that happens on a daily basis, keep posting those Obama threads. It gives me more incentive to post something like the video where Melania slaps Trump's hand away as if to say keep those tiny little hands away from my body you creep.

So, you don;t have a problem with this activity, it shouldn't be discussed, and when exposed the thing to do is a tit-for-tat with a Trump (something) thread..

Very odd reaction, IMO.
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