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RE: STADIUM will televise 15 Conference USA football games
(05-25-2017 01:35 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:49 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Under no circumstances do I want AAC games relegated to some start up on Twitter.

Maybe someday people will flock to Twitter to watch sports. Until then, it's used for people to dick around and pass time.

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(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:54 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 08:57 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  All indications is that ESPN will offer the AAC significantly less, will the AAC follow the CUSA model and pursue these other platforms?

1 almost zero credible people think we are getting significantly less or less at all...the debate by those who think the bubble is bursting is a tiny raise nothing significant like the 3x as much upgrade weve been pushing for.. the debate is 2.5mil-ish or 6mil-ish (currently 2 mil)

2. pursue these other platforms?? willingness to pay us and willingness to air us are different things..you can argue their willingness to pay us, you can't really with their willingness to air us..espn put 5 AAC fball games on ABC when they were only required 3...big 10 had to move its bball tourney next year to a week earlier (for msg) ..and cbs announced because of that they are going to move the AAC to headline cbs run into selection sunday, instead of the big 10..they like airing us just prefer to do it for cheap.. i doubt we'll have to be as creative as c-usa



1. ESPN payed the Big 12 $10 million not to add AAC schools, because they want to increase the AAC contract

2. ESPN is reducing outreach and laying off employees left and right so they will have more money to spend on an AAC contract

3. Another 12% decline for ESPN this year and DIS shareholders want to spin off ESPN because of the drag on DIS stock. Every single day ESPN losses 10,000 subscribers so it only make sense that they will increase the AAC contract

4. Aresco added non-football member Wichita State so the conference could get NCAA tourney credits because he knew the TV contract is going to increase

Makes sense Pesik thanks for enlightening us

1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the term "information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn has directly said the way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC a year ago, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much, when the aac teams left )
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that
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(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:54 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  1 almost zero credible people think we are getting significantly less or less at all...the debate by those who think the bubble is bursting is a tiny raise nothing significant like the 3x as much upgrade weve been pushing for.. the debate is 2.5mil-ish or 6mil-ish (currently 2 mil)

2. pursue these other platforms?? willingness to pay us and willingness to air us are different things..you can argue their willingness to pay us, you can't really with their willingness to air us..espn put 5 AAC fball games on ABC when they were only required 3...big 10 had to move its bball tourney next year to a week earlier (for msg) ..and cbs announced because of that they are going to move the AAC to headline cbs run into selection sunday, instead of the big 10..they like airing us just prefer to do it for cheap.. i doubt we'll have to be as creative as c-usa



1. ESPN payed the Big 12 $10 million not to add AAC schools, because they want to increase the AAC contract

2. ESPN is reducing outreach and laying off employees left and right so they will have more money to spend on an AAC contract

3. Another 12% decline for ESPN this year and DIS shareholders want to spin off ESPN because of the drag on DIS stock. Every single day ESPN losses 10,000 subscribers so it only make sense that they will increase the AAC contract

4. Aresco added non-football member Wichita State so the conference could get NCAA tourney credits because he knew the TV contract is going to increase

Makes sense Pesik thanks for enlightening us

1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).
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Thank you for your interest in C-USA football, and a pox on you.
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(05-26-2017 06:19 PM)spenser Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:54 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  1. ESPN payed the Big 12 $10 million not to add AAC schools, because they want to increase the AAC contract

2. ESPN is reducing outreach and laying off employees left and right so they will have more money to spend on an AAC contract

3. Another 12% decline for ESPN this year and DIS shareholders want to spin off ESPN because of the drag on DIS stock. Every single day ESPN losses 10,000 subscribers so it only make sense that they will increase the AAC contract

4. Aresco added non-football member Wichita State so the conference could get NCAA tourney credits because he knew the TV contract is going to increase

Makes sense Pesik thanks for enlightening us

1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).
The ESPN family of channels (non-sec network), costs you $8/mo with the main ESPN station costing more than half that total.
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(05-24-2017 06:56 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Wonder if Direct TV sports package will still have these games?

@mattsarz had a good interview with someone from STADIUM - you can see it on his blog. I asked him about that
Me: Was there any discussion about distribution to the RSNs?

MS: Wasn't specific, but put under following contractual obligations with respect to non-Sinclair stations receiving STADIUM in our discussion.

MS: Also want to set expectations: it wasn't explicitly said RSNs will have access to STADIUM content. Will likely learn more in next few weeks
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(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:54 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  1 almost zero credible people think we are getting significantly less or less at all...the debate by those who think the bubble is bursting is a tiny raise nothing significant like the 3x as much upgrade weve been pushing for.. the debate is 2.5mil-ish or 6mil-ish (currently 2 mil)

2. pursue these other platforms?? willingness to pay us and willingness to air us are different things..you can argue their willingness to pay us, you can't really with their willingness to air us..espn put 5 AAC fball games on ABC when they were only required 3...big 10 had to move its bball tourney next year to a week earlier (for msg) ..and cbs announced because of that they are going to move the AAC to headline cbs run into selection sunday, instead of the big 10..they like airing us just prefer to do it for cheap.. i doubt we'll have to be as creative as c-usa



1. ESPN payed the Big 12 $10 million not to add AAC schools, because they want to increase the AAC contract

2. ESPN is reducing outreach and laying off employees left and right so they will have more money to spend on an AAC contract

3. Another 12% decline for ESPN this year and DIS shareholders want to spin off ESPN because of the drag on DIS stock. Every single day ESPN losses 10,000 subscribers so it only make sense that they will increase the AAC contract

4. Aresco added non-football member Wichita State so the conference could get NCAA tourney credits because he knew the TV contract is going to increase

Makes sense Pesik thanks for enlightening us

1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the term "information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn has directly said the way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC a year ago, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much, when the aac teams left )
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

I was right about no AAC team getting an invite to the Big 12 and I will be right on this one also. All indications point to min increase or no increase for the AAC

Stick with the computer stuff Pesik and don't make a career out of corporate finance

It's not the CEO who decides how DIS is valued but the market decides and most important the market's perception of the future earnings of DIS.

http://www.businessinsider.com/disney-ea...-q1-2017-5
http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/...1001995968
http://www.newsweek.com/espn-disney-earn...res-606486
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(05-26-2017 06:19 PM)spenser Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:54 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  1. ESPN payed the Big 12 $10 million not to add AAC schools, because they want to increase the AAC contract

2. ESPN is reducing outreach and laying off employees left and right so they will have more money to spend on an AAC contract

3. Another 12% decline for ESPN this year and DIS shareholders want to spin off ESPN because of the drag on DIS stock. Every single day ESPN losses 10,000 subscribers so it only make sense that they will increase the AAC contract

4. Aresco added non-football member Wichita State so the conference could get NCAA tourney credits because he knew the TV contract is going to increase

Makes sense Pesik thanks for enlightening us

1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).

Yep, someone is going to pay $15-20 for a Disney app just so the AAC can get an increase. The whole sling package with 30 channels including all the ESPN, Disney, TBS, TNT, CNN, HGTV, Comedy, History, AMC, A&E is $20 03-lmfao
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I've heard it mentioned here several times that the B12 was paid off by ESPN not to expand, but I've never seen any evidence of it.
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(05-27-2017 12:02 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I've heard it mentioned here several times that the B12 was paid off by ESPN not to expand, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Actions speak louder than words.
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(05-26-2017 06:19 PM)spenser Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 10:54 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  1. ESPN payed the Big 12 $10 million not to add AAC schools, because they want to increase the AAC contract

2. ESPN is reducing outreach and laying off employees left and right so they will have more money to spend on an AAC contract

3. Another 12% decline for ESPN this year and DIS shareholders want to spin off ESPN because of the drag on DIS stock. Every single day ESPN losses 10,000 subscribers so it only make sense that they will increase the AAC contract

4. Aresco added non-football member Wichita State so the conference could get NCAA tourney credits because he knew the TV contract is going to increase

Makes sense Pesik thanks for enlightening us

1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).

You dont understand the problem. ESPN was making tons of money in the past off of people who never watched the channel through cable carriage fees. Those people were forced to pay for ESPN regardless of whether they wanted it or not. Every time someone cuts the chord ESPN loses money. Many of them are not going to sign up to pay for an ESPN app. So yes, viewership may not be going down because the people that watched ESPN on tv before are just watching online. The difference is they are not getting that "free" money anymore from carriage fees from customers that never watched the channel which equals losing tons of money.
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(05-27-2017 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 06:19 PM)spenser Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).

You dont understand the problem. ESPN was making tons of money in the past off of people who never watched the channel through cable carriage fees. Those people were forced to pay for ESPN regardless of whether they wanted it or not. Every time someone cuts the chord ESPN loses money. Many of them are not going to sign up to pay for an ESPN app. So yes, viewership may not be going down because the people that watched ESPN on tv before are just watching online. The difference is they are not getting that "free" money anymore from carriage fees from customers that never watched the channel which equals losing tons of money.

To be fair, the issue is far simpler than its being made out. The AAC has delivered strong ratings at an incredibly low price. ESPN is MAKING a crap load of money off that contract. Even at double or triple the price, they still get 75% of the P5 ratings at about 20%-30% of the P5 going rate. Thats NOT the type of deal ESPN is looking to get rid of---thats actually the type of deal ESPN needs MORE of. Thats why, I for one, wont be surprised if ESPN comes knocking on the CUSA door.
Why not? Your giving it to ASN for free. ESPN-3 is pretty good platform and they would actually PAY a few million for the content. 04-cheers
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(05-27-2017 12:38 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(05-27-2017 12:02 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I've heard it mentioned here several times that the B12 was paid off by ESPN not to expand, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Actions speak louder than words.

I don't think they were paid off.
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(05-27-2017 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 06:19 PM)spenser Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).

You dont understand the problem. ESPN was making tons of money in the past off of people who never watched the channel through cable carriage fees. Those people were forced to pay for ESPN regardless of whether they wanted it or not. Every time someone cuts the chord ESPN loses money. Many of them are not going to sign up to pay for an ESPN app. So yes, viewership may not be going down because the people that watched ESPN on tv before are just watching online. The difference is they are not getting that "free" money anymore from carriage fees from customers that never watched the channel which equals losing tons of money.
Not sure of the accuracy of this number, but i have heard on a national radio feed that your paying about 7 bucks a month for espn if you have cable.
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(05-27-2017 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 06:19 PM)spenser Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 01:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  1. yes they paid the big 12 not to expand ..you could pay 10mil once , or pay the big 12 24mil a year for ONE team every year (or 45mil for 2 teams) while still likely being required to pay for the AAC....note the desired increase for the AAC is 40 mil (60mil total)...for 14 teams .. paying not to expand is just a smart business move, and has no indication on the AAC tv deal other than they dont see us individually worth 24 mil each (i could have told you that beforehand)

2. Disney's ceo reacted to this..he said how ridiculous the media is making this..that they fire 100 employees out of 8000 and people act like its a big deal..that espn just wanted to go in a new direction for more digital friendly personalities ..they have since hired a ton of new staff including Adrian Wojnarowski and gave tebow a multiyear deal..(it actually got backlash for being insensitive to the people fired).

3. disney has never wanted to spin espn into its own stock...this was debunked almost immediately after this fake news came out, its been months since being debunked and you still believe this..and this was espn's most viewed year ever..despite the "losing subscribers" narrative espn is more popular than ever. cable is collapsing not espn, espn is just figuring out what the new platform will be and how it will transition to it

http://www.economist.com/news/business/2...cribers-it

4. this is ridiculous, im to lazy to look it up but in the first interviews after wichita. the interviewer insinuated that this would bring lots of ncaa credits as to why it was a good add.. he literally said he and the presidents didnt care about that. the add of wichita was a perception add.. to push the perception of the strength of the league. that for p6 to happen we must first get the general public to believe. he then noted over 500 major publications released headlining articles All praising the strength of the AAC has been made since the addition (and it was just 2 days in then) ..

4b. if aresco doesnt think we are going to get a raise he wouldn't be going to every media outlet saying that we are.. he was on espn radio literally 5 days ago, saying that he believe we are going to double our deal by "multiple" folds (we are assuming 3, thats why i chose 6mil) he made a joke that our current pay is borderline a rounding error. and i think he truly believes we are getting a raise as he was honest about everything else..he doesn't think we are going to be getting regular 5 stars or keep coaches even if p6 happened but noted many of the p5 can either

almost all your points are just wrong

Steep drop in Revenue and 150% increase in Contract obligations. That could only mean one thing.... a increase for the AAC

Thanks for enlightening us Pesik

7.3 Billion total this chart only shows major sports committments

im in information systems ..have you heard of the "term information bias"...that is when you set a scale to amplify information to add bias.. we are told any scale not set to zero is biased

and you realize that espn 5x the current aac deal wouldnt alter their total "major sports commitments"..while at the same time losing the AAC would drastically alter their ability to fill slots...
in the words of aresco (who was a cbs exec for 15 years) you dont turn down a good deal that makes money even when you are losing money

and espn isnt dying, cable is (and the loses will eventually plateau like it did for radio, when the internet came) espn is more popular than ever...espn have directly said they way to successfully survive the transition is to own content and that personalities are replaceable.. ohio state fans arent going to stop watching ohio state, they will follow you to which ever platform you go to

again espn is just transitioning to a new platform, and no transition is smooth..espn isnt going to make long term decisions on short term struggles..
espn actually gained a ton of subscribers back through online services (sling, playstation vue etc.)
houston Louisville was the most streamed game ever in espn history
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...-football/


but i have no clue why im trying to debate with you, we have had numerous debates with you over the years.. reason has never reached you...
classics like why c-usa is and going to keep being better than the aac 2 years ago, or other classics like why would anyone in c-usa jump to the AAC, or my personal favorites were your opinions of c-usa's tv value before the reports of the actual worth came out (about not really losing much)
you have homer colored glasses and i cant fault you for that

This exactly. That chart is horrible, sure they have lost 10% of the TV viewers they had 10yrs ago. BUT most importantly they have kept 90% of their TV viewers while gaining Digital/App viewers at 10,000+% rates.

Total viewership over that 10yrs has actually gone up and ESPN is predicted to actually start making even more soon. Right now ESPN is getting like $4 per month from cable. If/When ABC creates their own app it would make at least $10 a month like Netflix does.

ABC, ESPN, and Disney App/bundle could probably get to the $15-20 range. Consumers are still going to want it one way or another and will pay more to have it unbundled instead of bulk disscounted like Cable does. You can spend $40 on apps to get 40% of channels or $60 to get all(non premium HBO-Showtime).

You dont understand the problem. ESPN was making tons of money in the past off of people who never watched the channel through cable carriage fees. Those people were forced to pay for ESPN regardless of whether they wanted it or not. Every time someone cuts the chord ESPN loses money. Many of them are not going to sign up to pay for an ESPN app. So yes, viewership may not be going down because the people that watched ESPN on tv before are just watching online. The difference is they are not getting that "free" money anymore from carriage fees from customers that never watched the channel which equals losing tons of money.

who says the free money is gone??
you realize every internet provider pays espn money to allow espn3? the price could go up with the growing popularity of internet

also none of the internet packages sells espn alone, they are tv packages...there is no package on sling or PlayStation view that doesn't some sort of sports channel on it it..meaning if you want to watch tnt nline you need to include some sports channel you are watching...

IMO the real problem is that we have no clue what the future platform is... espn's current platform is losing ground and the new platform isnt established, espn is like music still on a crippling radio platform but spotify/apple music isnt yet established. but when it does Disney is too powerful to not find a way to make money of off it
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(05-27-2017 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be fair, the issue is far simpler than its being made out. The AAC has delivered strong ratings at an incredibly low price. ESPN is MAKING a crap load of money off that contract. Even at double or triple the price, they still get 75% of the P5 ratings at about 20%-30% of the P5 going rate. Thats NOT the type of deal ESPN is looking to get rid of---thats actually the type of deal ESPN needs MORE of. Thats why, I for one, wont be surprised if ESPN comes knocking on the CUSA door.
Why not? Your giving it to ASN for free. ESPN-3 is pretty good platform and they would actually PAY a few million for the content. 04-cheers

Wouldn't surprise me either... but I believe that on the last round the Conference made a conscious decision to go with an alternate provider (I.e. Not ESPN) in order to keep more of our marquee games on Saturday late afternoon or evenings. Without the bigger $$ in play it simply made more sense to prioritize and value the gate with respect to revenue.

I think CUSA will continue this strategy for at least the near term. That's good news for fans.


(05-27-2017 10:37 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(05-27-2017 12:38 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(05-27-2017 12:02 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I've heard it mentioned here several times that the B12 was paid off by ESPN not to expand, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Actions speak louder than words.

I don't think they were paid off.

I KNOW (per Boren's comments) that the old B12 contract had a clause automatically prorating up TV payments if the B12 expanded by two.
I know that B12 interviewed 11 potential expansion targets.
I believe that the B12 renegotiated their TV contract to a marginally higher value than before (but WITHOUT the automatic pro-rata expansion bump).
From this we can deduce that, most likely, the B12 used this clause as a bargaining chip to get a slightly larger contract (calling this a "payoff" seems a fair characterization).
But I don't think the B12 really wanted to expand last year, payoff or not. Another theory is that they chose not to in order to retain the good favor of their broadcast partners.
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Stadium now has a twitter account. They have not started using it yet but you can follow it if you want to be in the know when there is something to actually know.

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RE: STADIUM will televise 15 Conference USA football games
(05-27-2017 03:12 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(05-27-2017 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be fair, the issue is far simpler than its being made out. The AAC has delivered strong ratings at an incredibly low price. ESPN is MAKING a crap load of money off that contract. Even at double or triple the price, they still get 75% of the P5 ratings at about 20%-30% of the P5 going rate. Thats NOT the type of deal ESPN is looking to get rid of---thats actually the type of deal ESPN needs MORE of. Thats why, I for one, wont be surprised if ESPN comes knocking on the CUSA door.
Why not? Your giving it to ASN for free. ESPN-3 is pretty good platform and they would actually PAY a few million for the content. 04-cheers

Wouldn't surprise me either... but I believe that on the last round the Conference made a conscious decision to go with an alternate provider (I.e. Not ESPN) in order to keep more of our marquee games on Saturday late afternoon or evenings. Without the bigger $$ in play it simply made more sense to prioritize and value the gate with respect to revenue.

I think CUSA will continue this strategy for at least the near term. That's good news for fans.


(05-27-2017 10:37 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(05-27-2017 12:38 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(05-27-2017 12:02 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I've heard it mentioned here several times that the B12 was paid off by ESPN not to expand, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Actions speak louder than words.

I don't think they were paid off.

I KNOW (per Boren's comments) that the old B12 contract had a clause automatically prorating up TV payments if the B12 expanded by two.
I know that B12 interviewed 11 potential expansion targets.
I believe that the B12 renegotiated their TV contract to a marginally higher value than before (but WITHOUT the automatic pro-rata expansion bump).
From this we can deduce that, most likely, the B12 used this clause as a bargaining chip to get a slightly larger contract (calling this a "payoff" seems a fair characterization).
But I don't think the B12 really wanted to expand last year, payoff or not. Another theory is that they chose not to in order to retain the good favor of their broadcast partners.

FWIW---ESPN3 doesn't attract a lot of casual fans (which is why its a good platform for access, but not so great for exposure). That said, the the best thing about ESPN3 is they don't give a flying fig what time you kick off or what day you play. Your schedule is your own on that platform because there is no finite number of broadcast "windows" that need to be managed. Saturday play wouldn't be an issue. Seven pm starts wouldn't be an issue. Plus, I suspect if ESPN made a run for some CUSA content for ESPN3, it would still allow CUSA to reserve a package of first tier rights for a traditional linear outlet like CBS-Sports, Fox, or BeIn.
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