GOOD NEWS: CUSA has Five Players on the First List for The Outstanding Center in College Football for the 2017 CFB Season. They are:

1. Antonyo Woods FAU
2. Dennis Edwards Western
3. Levi Brown Marshall
4. Nick Clarke Old Dominion
5. Trey Martin Rice

But, let's not get our hopes too high cause there are 63 Centers on the list. So, here is an interesting question has anybody from a current CUSA school ever won any of these individual awards? I'm guessing Randy Moss may have won a Biletnikoff award. Is that right? And do we have others?

I looked a while ago at Marshall's and they had a few. Pennington won the Sammy Baugh and William Campbell trophies, Moss won the Biletnikoff award, and Michael Payton won the Walter Payton award.

(05-23-2017 03:00 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  So, here is an interesting question has anybody from a current CUSA school ever won any of these individual awards? I'm guessing Randy Moss may have won a Biletnikoff award. Is that right? And do we have others?

Tech had Troy Edwards (Biletnikoff), Colby Cameron (Baugh) and Ryan Allen (2x Ray Guy)*

*Only player to win the award in consecutive years.

(05-23-2017 03:08 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I looked a while ago at Marshall's and they had a few. Pennington won the Sammy Baugh and William Campbell trophies, Moss won the Biletnikoff award, and Michael Payton won the Walter Payton award.

The Walter Payton award is an FCS award. Taylor Heinicke won it at ODU.

Pennington, Moss and Byron Leftwich were Heisman finalists with Penny and Moss going to NYC

We had an individual award named after one of our players. Ha.

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(05-23-2017 03:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:08 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I looked a while ago at Marshall's and they had a few. Pennington won the Sammy Baugh and William Campbell trophies, Moss won the Biletnikoff award, and Michael Payton won the Walter Payton award.

The Walter Payton award is an FCS award. Taylor Heinicke won it at ODU.

Yeah... Lang Campbell won it for us. As did Adrian Peterson, Tony Romo, Steve McNair, Brian Westbrook, etc. He asked about individual awards.

(05-23-2017 06:04 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:08 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I looked a while ago at Marshall's and they had a few. Pennington won the Sammy Baugh and William Campbell trophies, Moss won the Biletnikoff award, and Michael Payton won the Walter Payton award.

The Walter Payton award is an FCS award. Taylor Heinicke won it at ODU.

Yeah... Lang Campbell won it for us. As did Adrian Peterson, Tony Romo, Steve McNair, Brian Westbrook, etc. He asked about individual awards.

I am confused. Wasn't Walter Payton award awarded for individuals?

Trevor Cobb won the Doak Walker at Rice in 1991.

(05-23-2017 07:00 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 06:04 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:08 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I looked a while ago at Marshall's and they had a few. Pennington won the Sammy Baugh and William Campbell trophies, Moss won the Biletnikoff award, and Michael Payton won the Walter Payton award.

The Walter Payton award is an FCS award. Taylor Heinicke won it at ODU.

Yeah... Lang Campbell won it for us. As did Adrian Peterson, Tony Romo, Steve McNair, Brian Westbrook, etc. He asked about individual awards.

I am confused. Wasn't Walter Payton award awarded for individuals?

Yes; that's why I included it. I thought he was suggesting the Walter Payton award shouldn't be included.

(05-23-2017 03:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:08 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I looked a while ago at Marshall's and they had a few. Pennington won the Sammy Baugh and William Campbell trophies, Moss won the Biletnikoff award, and Michael Payton won the Walter Payton award.

The Walter Payton award is an FCS award. Taylor Heinicke won it at ODU.

Its the equivalent of the Heisman in IAA, just like the Harlin Hill trophy in DII.

Actually it's OK by me, if we include Walter Payton Awards because:

1. Almost all CUSA members once competed at the Division I-AA or FCS Level (except Rice? Southern Miss?), and
2. It's probably just as hard to win the Player of The Year award at that level as it is to win the Heisman.
3. And most current CUSA schools (except Rice? Southern Miss?) have an FBS or Division I-A History of less than 20 years to review for Individual National Awards.

(05-24-2017 04:02 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Actually it's OK by me, if we include Walter Payton Awards because:

1. Almost all CUSA members once competed at the Division I-AA or FCS Level (except Rice? Southern Miss?), and
2. It's probably just as hard to win the Player of The Year award at that level as it is to win the Heisman.
3. And most current CUSA schools (except Rice? Southern Miss?) have an FBS or Division I-A History of less than 20 years to review for Individual National Awards.

I think UTEP has always been 1-A/FBS too.

Brandon Doughty won the Baugh Award in 2014

(05-23-2017 05:30 PM)Noodles Wrote:  We had an individual award named after one of our players. Ha.

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Ray Guy was the best punter I've ever seen play the game. If anyone has ever deserved to have an award named in his honor, it is Ray Guy.

(05-24-2017 04:02 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Actually it's OK by me, if we include Walter Payton Awards because:

1. Almost all CUSA members once competed at the Division I-AA or FCS Level (except Rice? Southern Miss?), and
2. It's probably just as hard to win the Player of The Year award at that level as it is to win the Heisman.
3. And most current CUSA schools (except Rice? Southern Miss?) have an FBS or Division I-A History of less than 20 years to review for Individual National Awards.

Southern Miss played in the College league back when it was College and University leagues. Joined the University league back in the late 60s early 70s. We've been 1A as long as it's been the standard. We won two National Championships in the College division (with many wins against Universities from the big conferences in those years) that we are still proud of too, so we get it.

(05-24-2017 04:02 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Actually it's OK by me, if we include Walter Payton Awards because:

1. Almost all CUSA members once competed at the Division I-AA or FCS Level (except Rice? Southern Miss?), and
2. It's probably just as hard to win the Player of The Year award at that level as it is to win the Heisman.
3. And most current CUSA schools (except Rice? Southern Miss?) have an FBS or Division I-A History of less than 20 years to review for Individual National Awards.

Not saying it should, or shouldn't be included, but I don't agree with your second point at all. Taken at face value, you probably aren't wrong, but you aren't taking into account the disparity of haves and have nots that exists in FBS that doesn't really exist in FCS.

There are basically the same number of FCS and FBS teams, outside of one or two programs(JMU for example), no one in FCS has a major budget advantage, certainly not the 5X-10X advantage the top FBS budgets have over most G5 programs.

Then there's the perception battle, Brent Stockstill could throw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs and he might not even get invited to New York.

(05-28-2017 07:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 04:02 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Actually it's OK by me, if we include Walter Payton Awards because:

1. Almost all CUSA members once competed at the Division I-AA or FCS Level (except Rice? Southern Miss?), and
2. It's probably just as hard to win the Player of The Year award at that level as it is to win the Heisman.
3. And most current CUSA schools (except Rice? Southern Miss?) have an FBS or Division I-A History of less than 20 years to review for Individual National Awards.

Not saying it should, or shouldn't be included, but I don't agree with your second point at all. Taken at face value, you probably aren't wrong, but you aren't taking into account the disparity of haves and have nots that exists in FBS that doesn't really exist in FCS.

There are basically the same number of FCS and FBS teams, outside of one or two programs(JMU for example), no one in FCS has a major budget advantage, certainly not the 5X-10X advantage the top FBS budgets have over most G5 programs.

Then there's the perception battle, Brent Stockstill could throw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs and he might not even get invited to New York.

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It would take more than that. Doughty passed for 5,055 and 48 TD's in 2015 and was not even a blip on the Heisman radar. If he played for a P5 team he would've been there for sure.

(05-28-2017 08:14 AM)Franko Wrote:  

(05-28-2017 07:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 04:02 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Actually it's OK by me, if we include Walter Payton Awards because:

1. Almost all CUSA members once competed at the Division I-AA or FCS Level (except Rice? Southern Miss?), and
2. It's probably just as hard to win the Player of The Year award at that level as it is to win the Heisman.
3. And most current CUSA schools (except Rice? Southern Miss?) have an FBS or Division I-A History of less than 20 years to review for Individual National Awards.

Not saying it should, or shouldn't be included, but I don't agree with your second point at all. Taken at face value, you probably aren't wrong, but you aren't taking into account the disparity of haves and have nots that exists in FBS that doesn't really exist in FCS.

There are basically the same number of FCS and FBS teams, outside of one or two programs(JMU for example), no one in FCS has a major budget advantage, certainly not the 5X-10X advantage the top FBS budgets have over most G5 programs.

Then there's the perception battle, Brent Stockstill could throw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs and he might not even get invited to New York.

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It would take more than that. Doughty passed for 5,055 and 48 TD's in 2015 and was not even a blip on the Heisman radar. If he played for a P5 team he would've been there for sure.

Jeeze, I started to set the bar higher...

(05-28-2017 08:14 AM)Franko Wrote:  .
It would take more than that. Doughty passed for 5,055 and 48 TD's in 2015 and was not even a blip on the Heisman radar. If he played for a P5 team he would've been there for sure.

I think if we had beaten Indiana, he would've been there because we would have been Top 25 a lot sooner. Lost Allen the week before and then freaking Jordan Howard just killed our defensive line that game.