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RE: Sun Belt Divisions Announced
(05-23-2017 06:09 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(05-23-2017 04:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Aside from the fact that some schools already had 4 OOC games scheduled, the round robin method and a 9 game schedule for the SBC as currently configured. South Alabama not only got stuck in the tougher division but has inconvenient travel too.

Tougher division? 01-wingedeagle

The rest of the west ULM, ULL, Ark St and Texas St are great schools but they will be no harder to beat than Georgia St, Georgia So, Troy or App St. I'll give you Coastal for now since they have yet to play a down of FBS football.

ULL and Arkansas St are likely to dominate the West with South Alabama probably coming in third. In the East I would expect Coastal to be weak at least for a while but I think there will be a lot of fluidity among the other 4.
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Now, how do they split if Little Rock and UTA adds football. Who goes where? South Alabama goes to the east? Would they go to 14 if North Florida adds football and Missouri State to the west?
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(05-24-2017 07:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Now, how do they split if Little Rock and UTA adds football. Who goes where? South Alabama goes to the east? Would they go to 14 if North Florida adds football and Missouri State to the west?

The chances of Little Rock adding football are virtually nil.

UTA may add football sometime in the future and if they do they would be in the west and the Belt may bring in a football only for the east would be my best guess.

I can't see us ever going to 14 but I guess if the next CFP contract makes it profitable we could look at it. If the SBC then decided to add N. Florida would be years away from FBS but Missouri St would get a look if they are serious about it.
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(05-24-2017 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 01:17 AM)lance99 Wrote:  
(05-23-2017 04:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Then you have the issue that the only way to do divisions was to split one of the leagues biggest rivalries into separate divisions, meaning a cross over rival that you play every year must be guaranteed.

I suggest they check with the MAC. Ball State and Bowling Green does it every year and that Locked Crossover sucks......
Different issue with a ten team conference and an eight game conference schedule ... you only skip one school per year, so rotating that through four schools versus rotating that through five schools is not a big difference.

With a twelve team conference and an eight game conference schedule, no locked game cross conference is a substantial upgrade, since it lets you play each school in the other division twice over a four year cycle. With the MAC system, Eastern teams like Kent see Toledo much less often and Western schools see Bowling Green much less often.

With no guaranteed crossover you play everyone in the other division 8 of 10 years, with it your play the locked team every year and the others 6 of 8 years.

One pause period of 2 years out of every 8 insures any fledgling cross-division rivalries don't cool off.
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RE: Sun Belt Divisions Announced
(05-24-2017 07:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Now, how do they split if Little Rock and UTA adds football. Who goes where? South Alabama goes to the east? Would they go to 14 if North Florida adds football and Missouri State to the west?

UALR is trying to build a baseball stadium on the only viable piece of land for a football practice facility. They have the state's highest athletic fee and aren't fully funding scholarships in the 14 sports they have, FBS football would mean fully funding scholarships in 16 sports.

Trojan football seems very unlikely.

There doesn't seem to be any groundswell for UTA to add football either.

The answer is the Sun Belt will cross that bridge if they ever get there.
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No reason to have divisions with less that 12 teams, maybe they should add Liberty and UMASS (football only), then talk James Madison into jumping to FCS level.
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RE: Sun Belt Divisions Announced
(05-24-2017 09:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  With a twelve team conference and an eight game conference schedule, no locked game cross conference is a substantial upgrade, since it lets you play each school in the other division twice over a four year cycle. With the MAC system, Eastern teams like Kent see Toledo much less often and Western schools see Bowling Green much less often.

With no guaranteed crossover you play everyone in the other division 8 of 10 years, with it your play the locked team every year and the others 6 of 8 years.

One pause period of 2 years out of every 8 insures any fledgling cross-division rivalries don't cool off.
Yes, if the skips are done "home/away", there is not a substantial difference.

Now, without locked rivals, it is possible to do single year skips, but you could also have single year skips with two locked rivals and playing two of the other three per year ... single year skips work out without messing up the "home/away" sequence if there is an odd number of skips, so it works with five or with three ... but doing the scheduling on a two year home/away cycle makes it simpler to transition to a different scheduling pattern if there is conference realignment in the middle of a planned schedule cycle.

(05-24-2017 07:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  No reason to have divisions with less that 12 teams, maybe they should add Liberty and UMASS (football only), then talk James Madison into jumping to FCS level.
Note that adding three football teams to a ten school football conference would be 13, not 12. 13 is a fairly awkward number.

If a ten school conference wants to have a CCG, they have two options. (1) Play a complete conference round robin of 9 games, and then pick the best two to play in the CCG or (2) have two divisions playing a complete divisional round robin, plus however many cross-division games as they wish (down to 0), with the two division champions meeting in the CCG.

The Sunbelt decided it wanted a CCG, and it decided it wanted to play 4 OOC games a year, so an eight game conference schedule. The only way to do both is to form divisions.
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Ok, dumb question but is the Sun Belt going to hold a CCG this year? If so, where, details etc please?
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(05-24-2017 08:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok, dumb question but is the Sun Belt going to hold a CCG this year? If so, where, details etc please?

No, holding off until 2018. CCU comes in this year but we drop NMSU and Idaho starting in 2018. That's when we'll be down to the 10 teams.
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(05-24-2017 08:47 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 08:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok, dumb question but is the Sun Belt going to hold a CCG this year? If so, where, details etc please?

No, holding off until 2018. CCU comes in this year but we drop NMSU and Idaho starting in 2018. That's when we'll be down to the 10 teams.

Thanks...I could see a SB CCG in New Orleans being big. I wish the AAC had a neutral CCG but there's no good geographic center for the AAC like what you guys have.
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(05-24-2017 08:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 08:47 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 08:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok, dumb question but is the Sun Belt going to hold a CCG this year? If so, where, details etc please?

No, holding off until 2018. CCU comes in this year but we drop NMSU and Idaho starting in 2018. That's when we'll be down to the 10 teams.

Thanks...I could see a SB CCG in New Orleans being big. I wish the AAC had a neutral CCG but there's no good geographic center for the AAC like what you guys have.

I think for the time being it's just going to be at the highest rated teams stadium.
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I agree on campus is the wiser choice, especially since the champion could be playing in New Orleans in what typically has been one of the first few bowls played each season. New Orleans may work great for UL and ULM (geography), and stAte (they travel well period), but the other schools would not reliably travel to the level needed to justify booking the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.
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I like the Big 12 model a lot better. If you have almost round robin anyway, it seems silly to possibly put the best team up against the 3rd/4th best team which seems likely to happen. That said, they would have had to go to 9 conference games for that and that was probably not an option.
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(05-24-2017 07:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  No reason to have divisions with less that 12 teams, maybe they should add Liberty and UMASS (football only), then talk James Madison into jumping to FCS level.

If you only want to play 8 conference games and prefer that every contender has the same number of games at home and away in league play then divisions make perfect sense.

The membership debated both Liberty and UMass and felt neither was a compelling addition.
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If you want the geographic center, the closest to fitting the bill are Jackson, MS and Tuscaloosa, AL (home team is never playing there the first Saturday in December).

Sun Belt's primary reason for a title game is to give the top team a 13th game to bolster their shot at cracking the Access Bowl. Based on historical data if the top team hosts they win a bit more than 3/4ths of the time and if they play at a neutral site it is only about 1/2 the time.
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(05-24-2017 11:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you want the geographic center, the closest to fitting the bill are Jackson, MS and Tuscaloosa, AL (home team is never playing there the first Saturday in December).

Sun Belt's primary reason for a title game is to give the top team a 13th game to bolster their shot at cracking the Access Bowl. Based on historical data if the top team hosts they win a bit more than 3/4ths of the time and if they play at a neutral site it is only about 1/2 the time.

Well obviously I didn't mean the exact geographic center....I meant as close to a geographic center among the destinations cities of the conference footprint. Like a Las Vegas for the MWC, Detroit for the MAC etc. New Orleans and The Sun Belt make sense...not Jackson, MS. No offense to Jackson. I heard it was a big thing to go there back in the day according to Johnny Cash.
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(05-24-2017 11:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 11:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you want the geographic center, the closest to fitting the bill are Jackson, MS and Tuscaloosa, AL (home team is never playing there the first Saturday in December).

Sun Belt's primary reason for a title game is to give the top team a 13th game to bolster their shot at cracking the Access Bowl. Based on historical data if the top team hosts they win a bit more than 3/4ths of the time and if they play at a neutral site it is only about 1/2 the time.

Well obviously I didn't mean the exact geographic center....I meant as close to a geographic center among the destinations cities of the conference footprint. Like a Las Vegas for the MWC, Detroit for the MAC etc. New Orleans and The Sun Belt make sense...not Jackson, MS. No offense to Jackson. I heard it was a big thing to go there back in the day according to Johnny Cash.

AState owns Cash's boyhood home and has restored it and runs it as a museum.
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