(05-31-2017 10:19 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  North Texas not having baseball probably frees up quite a bit of cash

They must not fund a lot of sports or it's really really cheap going to school at UNT. Below is the amount in 2015 Middle & UNT spent on scholarships

Middle
$8,573,566

UNT
$4,318,418

UNT and Middle had about the same budget for that year...31.6 mil and 31.3 for UNT

Middle paid their coaches $9,035,805
UNT paid their coaches $10,127,094

UNT is paying almost 6 mil more than Middle on Facilities / Overhead

(05-31-2017 10:08 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 08:00 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Rice, because he had to work DOUBLE OVERTIME for the win.

Glad to see any CUSA coaches get a raise or bonus but we're still #1 :)

#1 in pay and in overpaying. You have a slight lead in the first but an overwhelming one in the second.

We are the poster child for a contract extension that did not need to happen, and stuck on the back end with a coach no one wants playing out the end of his contract to dwindling fan interest.

(05-31-2017 10:19 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  North Texas not having baseball probably frees up quite a bit of cash

I would expect women's softball to be a larger financial drain?

Baseball can generate income. The 2015 NCAA attendance data showed Rice with 84,187 for the season. At $10 a ticket, that's $840,000 before parking, concessions, and t-shirt sales.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/baseball_R...attend.pdf

(05-31-2017 12:35 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:19 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  North Texas not having baseball probably frees up quite a bit of cash

I would expect women's softball to be a larger financial drain?

Baseball can generate income. The 2015 NCAA attendance data showed Rice with 84,187 for the season. At $10 a ticket, that's $840,000 before parking, concessions, and t-shirt sales.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/baseball_R...attend.pdf

Not sure. We don't charge for softball so you could be right. Our concessions don't come to our Athletics Dept, anyways, however. Sodexo has the contract, I think. I assume they keep all profits.

(05-31-2017 12:35 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:19 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  North Texas not having baseball probably frees up quite a bit of cash

I would expect women's softball to be a larger financial drain?

Baseball can generate income. The 2015 NCAA attendance data showed Rice with 84,187 for the season. At $10 a ticket, that's $840,000 before parking, concessions, and t-shirt sales.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/baseball_R...attend.pdf

Southern Miss makes a profit off baseball as well, but most schools in our conference lose money on baseball.

(05-31-2017 10:46 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:19 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  North Texas not having baseball probably frees up quite a bit of cash

This ^^^^^^^^

I think their should be a conference bylaw reducing their share of any conference payout if any of the big 3 sports are not played by a member school

That's a great point. Theoretically, this gives UNT an unfair advantage over all the CUSA schools that support a baseball program.

Like most schools who raise salaries, expect the price of NT football tix to go up.

With the success of Skip Holtz at La. Tech and his relatively low pay compared to other CUSA coaches, has he tried to renegotiate his contract? I would think a very solid Tech program would feel somewhat vulnerable to losing him to a low P5 or even AAC squad.

(05-31-2017 08:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  With the success of Skip Holtz at La. Tech and his relatively low pay compared to other CUSA coaches, has he tried to renegotiate his contract? I would think a very solid Tech program would feel somewhat vulnerable to losing him to a low P5 or even AAC squad.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/4/11...ach-ruston

(05-31-2017 02:27 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's his buyout and to be honest I would straight up fire the person that gave this coach the below buyout and new contract

Littrell's new contract includes a provision that would require UNT to pay 100 percent of his base salary for the first 36 months of his contract and 75 percent of the remaining 24 months, if the school elects to terminate him without case. UNT would be required to pay the full 100 percent for the final 24 months if the Mean Green win seven regular-season games in any season during the agreement.

There is nothing in his Coaching career that says...make me the highest paid coach in the conference and with a buyout that cripples UNT if he doesn't win.


Litrell started his coaching as a graduate assistant for the Kansas Jayhawks football team for two seasons from 2002 to 2004.

Under Mike Leach, he was running backs coach at Texas Tech from 2005 to 2008. From 2009 to 2011, Littrell coached the offense at Arizona. Then from 2012 to 2013, Littrell was offensive coordinator and tight ends coach at Indiana from 2012 to 2013. From 2014 to 2015, Littrell was assistant head coach for offense and tight ends coach at North Carolina under Larry Fedora. In Littrell's last season at North Carolina, the team finished 11–3 and first place in the ACC Coastal Division.


As I said I can understand giving a coach something like this if other schools are after him....NO ONE is after this coach. But UNT. UNT held all the power just as most schools do when you hire a first time head coach, that no one is after.

This is a move that better work out or it sets the program back many many years with that buyout in place. Let's put this another way....

if a bottom feeder P5 team comes after this coach. UNT cannot pay enough to keep him. If a Houston or Cincy or USF came after this coach UNT would have to leverage their whole sports program to keep him. Those schools probably could go up to the 2mil plus range. UNT can't go that high (none us can) without it hurting other sports at UNT

So there was no good reason to up this coaches base pay by $175,000 a year ($875,000 over the 5 years) ...you had him signed. Now which one of the below wins are worth that kind of a raise?

Bethune-Cookman FCS
Rice 3-9
Marshall 3-9
Army 8-5
S. Miss 7-6

Maybe if UNT played 3 or 4 other games close...you didn't

13
32
17
14
21
38
28
7

Lot of money for a coach that got blown out 7 out of 8 loses

WOW! betting the whole program on a guy that would have most likely been very happy with 500 to 600k to start and a 300,000 buy out. Then if he actually won you up it. But never make a buyout something you can't afford to pay without hurting your program . He better win.

I believe Jeff Brohms first contract was in that 500 to 600k range and a 300,000 buy out. Might have been a little higher but not much.

Again there was no one in FBS competing with UNT for this coach....you had him signed to a more than decent (really too much) contract already. Wow...5-8 with 7 blow outs and 2 of the 5 wins that could have went either way with one bounce of the football. This bows my mind.

Wow. That is quite a rant.

I'm not in the know about our university's financial situation, but I will say the Texas economy is doing well. North Texas is a university with over 37,000 students. Maybe UNT can afford the buyout.

(05-31-2017 09:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 02:27 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's his buyout and to be honest I would straight up fire the person that gave this coach the below buyout and new contract

Littrell's new contract includes a provision that would require UNT to pay 100 percent of his base salary for the first 36 months of his contract and 75 percent of the remaining 24 months, if the school elects to terminate him without case. UNT would be required to pay the full 100 percent for the final 24 months if the Mean Green win seven regular-season games in any season during the agreement.

There is nothing in his Coaching career that says...make me the highest paid coach in the conference and with a buyout that cripples UNT if he doesn't win.


Litrell started his coaching as a graduate assistant for the Kansas Jayhawks football team for two seasons from 2002 to 2004.

Under Mike Leach, he was running backs coach at Texas Tech from 2005 to 2008. From 2009 to 2011, Littrell coached the offense at Arizona. Then from 2012 to 2013, Littrell was offensive coordinator and tight ends coach at Indiana from 2012 to 2013. From 2014 to 2015, Littrell was assistant head coach for offense and tight ends coach at North Carolina under Larry Fedora. In Littrell's last season at North Carolina, the team finished 11–3 and first place in the ACC Coastal Division.


As I said I can understand giving a coach something like this if other schools are after him....NO ONE is after this coach. But UNT. UNT held all the power just as most schools do when you hire a first time head coach, that no one is after.

This is a move that better work out or it sets the program back many many years with that buyout in place. Let's put this another way....

if a bottom feeder P5 team comes after this coach. UNT cannot pay enough to keep him. If a Houston or Cincy or USF came after this coach UNT would have to leverage their whole sports program to keep him. Those schools probably could go up to the 2mil plus range. UNT can't go that high (none us can) without it hurting other sports at UNT

So there was no good reason to up this coaches base pay by $175,000 a year ($875,000 over the 5 years) ...you had him signed. Now which one of the below wins are worth that kind of a raise?

Bethune-Cookman FCS
Rice 3-9
Marshall 3-9
Army 8-5
S. Miss 7-6

Maybe if UNT played 3 or 4 other games close...you didn't

13
32
17
14
21
38
28
7

Lot of money for a coach that got blown out 7 out of 8 loses

WOW! betting the whole program on a guy that would have most likely been very happy with 500 to 600k to start and a 300,000 buy out. Then if he actually won you up it. But never make a buyout something you can't afford to pay without hurting your program . He better win.

I believe Jeff Brohms first contract was in that 500 to 600k range and a 300,000 buy out. Might have been a little higher but not much.

Again there was no one in FBS competing with UNT for this coach....you had him signed to a more than decent (really too much) contract already. Wow...5-8 with 7 blow outs and 2 of the 5 wins that could have went either way with one bounce of the football. This bows my mind.

Wow. That is quite a rant.

I'm not in the know about our university's financial situation, but I will say the Texas economy is doing well. North Texas is a university with over 37,000 students. Maybe UNT can afford the buyout.

lol. You couldn't afford one for Benford so what makes you believe you could afford one much larger?

I'm not hating. I like UNT. I have friends I met at the SBC basketball tourney that are bigtime UNT fans.

But WKUYG brought up very good points. He wasn't hating on UNT. He was saying whoever negotiated that contract is nuts and he makes really good points backing it up. I hope Littrell lives up to it for you guys.

But like he said, you have the coach by the shorthairs on the first contract. The situation changes as soon as he starts winning. Then the coach has the administration by the short hairs if they want to try to keep him for at least one more year.

That's what happened with Brohm. We had all kinds of language on where he could or couldn't go from here i.e. Couldn't go to UK directly from here. As soon as Jeff started winning that **** flew out of the contract. The buyout was lowered. Because he had the leverage.

That's what WKUYG can't understand. You guys gave him a contract a coach sees later on after winning when he really hasn't done anything close to what Brohm did. Or even what Willie Taggart did.

It's a head scratcher if you look at it from afar.

(05-31-2017 09:33 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 02:27 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's his buyout and to be honest I would straight up fire the person that gave this coach the below buyout and new contract

Littrell's new contract includes a provision that would require UNT to pay 100 percent of his base salary for the first 36 months of his contract and 75 percent of the remaining 24 months, if the school elects to terminate him without case. UNT would be required to pay the full 100 percent for the final 24 months if the Mean Green win seven regular-season games in any season during the agreement.

There is nothing in his Coaching career that says...make me the highest paid coach in the conference and with a buyout that cripples UNT if he doesn't win.


Litrell started his coaching as a graduate assistant for the Kansas Jayhawks football team for two seasons from 2002 to 2004.

Under Mike Leach, he was running backs coach at Texas Tech from 2005 to 2008. From 2009 to 2011, Littrell coached the offense at Arizona. Then from 2012 to 2013, Littrell was offensive coordinator and tight ends coach at Indiana from 2012 to 2013. From 2014 to 2015, Littrell was assistant head coach for offense and tight ends coach at North Carolina under Larry Fedora. In Littrell's last season at North Carolina, the team finished 11–3 and first place in the ACC Coastal Division.


As I said I can understand giving a coach something like this if other schools are after him....NO ONE is after this coach. But UNT. UNT held all the power just as most schools do when you hire a first time head coach, that no one is after.

This is a move that better work out or it sets the program back many many years with that buyout in place. Let's put this another way....

if a bottom feeder P5 team comes after this coach. UNT cannot pay enough to keep him. If a Houston or Cincy or USF came after this coach UNT would have to leverage their whole sports program to keep him. Those schools probably could go up to the 2mil plus range. UNT can't go that high (none us can) without it hurting other sports at UNT

So there was no good reason to up this coaches base pay by $175,000 a year ($875,000 over the 5 years) ...you had him signed. Now which one of the below wins are worth that kind of a raise?

Bethune-Cookman FCS
Rice 3-9
Marshall 3-9
Army 8-5
S. Miss 7-6

Maybe if UNT played 3 or 4 other games close...you didn't

13
32
17
14
21
38
28
7

Lot of money for a coach that got blown out 7 out of 8 loses

WOW! betting the whole program on a guy that would have most likely been very happy with 500 to 600k to start and a 300,000 buy out. Then if he actually won you up it. But never make a buyout something you can't afford to pay without hurting your program . He better win.

I believe Jeff Brohms first contract was in that 500 to 600k range and a 300,000 buy out. Might have been a little higher but not much.

Again there was no one in FBS competing with UNT for this coach....you had him signed to a more than decent (really too much) contract already. Wow...5-8 with 7 blow outs and 2 of the 5 wins that could have went either way with one bounce of the football. This bows my mind.

Wow. That is quite a rant.

I'm not in the know about our university's financial situation, but I will say the Texas economy is doing well. North Texas is a university with over 37,000 students. Maybe UNT can afford the buyout.

lol. You couldn't afford one for Benford so what makes you believe you could afford one much larger?

I'm not hating. I like UNT. I have friends I met at the SBC basketball tourney that are bigtime UNT fans.

But WKUYG brought up very good points. He wasn't hating on UNT. He was saying whoever negotiated that contract is nuts and he makes really good points backing it up. I hope Littrell lives up to it for you guys.

But like he said, you have the coach by the shorthairs on the first contract. The situation changes as soon as he starts winning. Then the coach has the administration by the short hairs if they want to try to keep him for at least one more year.

That's what happened with Brohm. We had all kinds of language on where he could or couldn't go from here i.e. Couldn't go to UK directly from here. As soon as Jeff started winning that **** flew out of the contract. The buyout was lowered. Because he had the leverage.

That's what WKUYG can't understand. You guys gave him a contract a coach sees later on after winning when he really hasn't done anything close to what Brohm did. Or even what Willie Taggart did.

It's a head scratcher if you look at it from afar.

Benford was granted a final year due to the fact that our new AD was in the middle of conducting his study of the athletic department, and developing a long term strategic plan. It had nothing to do with funds. We gave Arkansas State half a million to buy out McCasland. I'm sure we could have covered Benford's buyout for his final season.

Who are these big-time North Texas fans? I may know them.

I'm not disagreeing about the amount being rather high. Just saying I doubt the athletic department would agree to an amount they didn't feel confident they could pay.

(05-31-2017 10:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:33 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 02:27 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's his buyout and to be honest I would straight up fire the person that gave this coach the below buyout and new contract

Littrell's new contract includes a provision that would require UNT to pay 100 percent of his base salary for the first 36 months of his contract and 75 percent of the remaining 24 months, if the school elects to terminate him without case. UNT would be required to pay the full 100 percent for the final 24 months if the Mean Green win seven regular-season games in any season during the agreement.

There is nothing in his Coaching career that says...make me the highest paid coach in the conference and with a buyout that cripples UNT if he doesn't win.


Litrell started his coaching as a graduate assistant for the Kansas Jayhawks football team for two seasons from 2002 to 2004.

Under Mike Leach, he was running backs coach at Texas Tech from 2005 to 2008. From 2009 to 2011, Littrell coached the offense at Arizona. Then from 2012 to 2013, Littrell was offensive coordinator and tight ends coach at Indiana from 2012 to 2013. From 2014 to 2015, Littrell was assistant head coach for offense and tight ends coach at North Carolina under Larry Fedora. In Littrell's last season at North Carolina, the team finished 11–3 and first place in the ACC Coastal Division.


As I said I can understand giving a coach something like this if other schools are after him....NO ONE is after this coach. But UNT. UNT held all the power just as most schools do when you hire a first time head coach, that no one is after.

This is a move that better work out or it sets the program back many many years with that buyout in place. Let's put this another way....

if a bottom feeder P5 team comes after this coach. UNT cannot pay enough to keep him. If a Houston or Cincy or USF came after this coach UNT would have to leverage their whole sports program to keep him. Those schools probably could go up to the 2mil plus range. UNT can't go that high (none us can) without it hurting other sports at UNT

So there was no good reason to up this coaches base pay by $175,000 a year ($875,000 over the 5 years) ...you had him signed. Now which one of the below wins are worth that kind of a raise?

Bethune-Cookman FCS
Rice 3-9
Marshall 3-9
Army 8-5
S. Miss 7-6

Maybe if UNT played 3 or 4 other games close...you didn't

13
32
17
14
21
38
28
7

Lot of money for a coach that got blown out 7 out of 8 loses

WOW! betting the whole program on a guy that would have most likely been very happy with 500 to 600k to start and a 300,000 buy out. Then if he actually won you up it. But never make a buyout something you can't afford to pay without hurting your program . He better win.

I believe Jeff Brohms first contract was in that 500 to 600k range and a 300,000 buy out. Might have been a little higher but not much.

Again there was no one in FBS competing with UNT for this coach....you had him signed to a more than decent (really too much) contract already. Wow...5-8 with 7 blow outs and 2 of the 5 wins that could have went either way with one bounce of the football. This bows my mind.

Wow. That is quite a rant.

I'm not in the know about our university's financial situation, but I will say the Texas economy is doing well. North Texas is a university with over 37,000 students. Maybe UNT can afford the buyout.

lol. You couldn't afford one for Benford so what makes you believe you could afford one much larger?

I'm not hating. I like UNT. I have friends I met at the SBC basketball tourney that are bigtime UNT fans.

But WKUYG brought up very good points. He wasn't hating on UNT. He was saying whoever negotiated that contract is nuts and he makes really good points backing it up. I hope Littrell lives up to it for you guys.

But like he said, you have the coach by the shorthairs on the first contract. The situation changes as soon as he starts winning. Then the coach has the administration by the short hairs if they want to try to keep him for at least one more year.

That's what happened with Brohm. We had all kinds of language on where he could or couldn't go from here i.e. Couldn't go to UK directly from here. As soon as Jeff started winning that **** flew out of the contract. The buyout was lowered. Because he had the leverage.

That's what WKUYG can't understand. You guys gave him a contract a coach sees later on after winning when he really hasn't done anything close to what Brohm did. Or even what Willie Taggart did.

It's a head scratcher if you look at it from afar.

Benford was granted a final year due to the fact that our new AD was in the middle of conducting his study of the athletic department, and developing a long term strategic plan. It had nothing to do with funds. We gave Arkansas State half a million to buy out McCasland. I'm sure we could have covered Benford's buyout for his final season.

Who are these big-time North Texas fans? I may know them.

I'm not disagreeing about the amount being rather high. Just saying I doubt the athletic department would agree to an amount they didn't feel confident they could pay.

The Tasty Greek and I still text on occasion. Usually when one of our schools has shitt the bed. Lol. We can critique ourselves that way. He had 2 of his homies with him as well. Can't remember their names but I recognize them when I see them post on the Mean Green board. All of them are funny as hell. Very witty guys. May not be your cup of tea but they were all right down my alley. Guys that know their sports but can see the comical as well.

(05-31-2017 10:40 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:33 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 02:27 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's his buyout and to be honest I would straight up fire the person that gave this coach the below buyout and new contract

Littrell's new contract includes a provision that would require UNT to pay 100 percent of his base salary for the first 36 months of his contract and 75 percent of the remaining 24 months, if the school elects to terminate him without case. UNT would be required to pay the full 100 percent for the final 24 months if the Mean Green win seven regular-season games in any season during the agreement.

There is nothing in his Coaching career that says...make me the highest paid coach in the conference and with a buyout that cripples UNT if he doesn't win.


Litrell started his coaching as a graduate assistant for the Kansas Jayhawks football team for two seasons from 2002 to 2004.

Under Mike Leach, he was running backs coach at Texas Tech from 2005 to 2008. From 2009 to 2011, Littrell coached the offense at Arizona. Then from 2012 to 2013, Littrell was offensive coordinator and tight ends coach at Indiana from 2012 to 2013. From 2014 to 2015, Littrell was assistant head coach for offense and tight ends coach at North Carolina under Larry Fedora. In Littrell's last season at North Carolina, the team finished 11–3 and first place in the ACC Coastal Division.


As I said I can understand giving a coach something like this if other schools are after him....NO ONE is after this coach. But UNT. UNT held all the power just as most schools do when you hire a first time head coach, that no one is after.

This is a move that better work out or it sets the program back many many years with that buyout in place. Let's put this another way....

if a bottom feeder P5 team comes after this coach. UNT cannot pay enough to keep him. If a Houston or Cincy or USF came after this coach UNT would have to leverage their whole sports program to keep him. Those schools probably could go up to the 2mil plus range. UNT can't go that high (none us can) without it hurting other sports at UNT

So there was no good reason to up this coaches base pay by $175,000 a year ($875,000 over the 5 years) ...you had him signed. Now which one of the below wins are worth that kind of a raise?

Bethune-Cookman FCS
Rice 3-9
Marshall 3-9
Army 8-5
S. Miss 7-6

Maybe if UNT played 3 or 4 other games close...you didn't

13
32
17
14
21
38
28
7

Lot of money for a coach that got blown out 7 out of 8 loses

WOW! betting the whole program on a guy that would have most likely been very happy with 500 to 600k to start and a 300,000 buy out. Then if he actually won you up it. But never make a buyout something you can't afford to pay without hurting your program . He better win.

I believe Jeff Brohms first contract was in that 500 to 600k range and a 300,000 buy out. Might have been a little higher but not much.

Again there was no one in FBS competing with UNT for this coach....you had him signed to a more than decent (really too much) contract already. Wow...5-8 with 7 blow outs and 2 of the 5 wins that could have went either way with one bounce of the football. This bows my mind.

Wow. That is quite a rant.

I'm not in the know about our university's financial situation, but I will say the Texas economy is doing well. North Texas is a university with over 37,000 students. Maybe UNT can afford the buyout.

lol. You couldn't afford one for Benford so what makes you believe you could afford one much larger?

I'm not hating. I like UNT. I have friends I met at the SBC basketball tourney that are bigtime UNT fans.

But WKUYG brought up very good points. He wasn't hating on UNT. He was saying whoever negotiated that contract is nuts and he makes really good points backing it up. I hope Littrell lives up to it for you guys.

But like he said, you have the coach by the shorthairs on the first contract. The situation changes as soon as he starts winning. Then the coach has the administration by the short hairs if they want to try to keep him for at least one more year.

That's what happened with Brohm. We had all kinds of language on where he could or couldn't go from here i.e. Couldn't go to UK directly from here. As soon as Jeff started winning that **** flew out of the contract. The buyout was lowered. Because he had the leverage.

That's what WKUYG can't understand. You guys gave him a contract a coach sees later on after winning when he really hasn't done anything close to what Brohm did. Or even what Willie Taggart did.

It's a head scratcher if you look at it from afar.

Benford was granted a final year due to the fact that our new AD was in the middle of conducting his study of the athletic department, and developing a long term strategic plan. It had nothing to do with funds. We gave Arkansas State half a million to buy out McCasland. I'm sure we could have covered Benford's buyout for his final season.

Who are these big-time North Texas fans? I may know them.

I'm not disagreeing about the amount being rather high. Just saying I doubt the athletic department would agree to an amount they didn't feel confident they could pay.

The Tasty Greek and I still text on occasion. Usually when one of our schools has shitt the bed. Lol. We can critique ourselves that way. He had 2 of his homies with him as well. Can't remember their names but I recognize them when I see them post on the Mean Green board. All of them are funny as hell. Very witty guys. May not be your cup of tea but they were all right down my alley. Guys that know their sports but can see the comical as well.

Tasty is a very funny and witty guy. I may not always agree with his opinions, but I respect them and usually enjoy his humor. I wish he and a few others from the board would bring some of that wit over here now and then.

Did you guys ever pay your basketball coaches buyout to Ark St?

(06-01-2017 06:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Did you guys ever pay your basketball coaches buyout to Ark St?

Yes