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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.

They'll need a conference for other sports and would probably like a step up from the Big South
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 08:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.

They'll need a conference for other sports and would probably like a step up from the Big South

I also think it would be hard for Liberty to get the bowl access BYU does as an independent.
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.
Not sure about CUSA, but I am pretty sure that the MAC wants nothing to do with Liberty......

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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
Liberty joins CUSA and those teams have to play Liberty for free. Or, Liberty doesn't join CUSA and pays CUSA teams $1M to come to Lynchburg to play them. The latter makes sense.
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 08:53 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.

They'll need a conference for other sports and would probably like a step up from the Big South

I also think it would be hard for Liberty to get the bowl access BYU does as an independent.

I don't think bowl access will be an issue, there are rarely enough teams to fill all the spots.
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 12:21 PM)chidave Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:53 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.

They'll need a conference for other sports and would probably like a step up from the Big South

I also think it would be hard for Liberty to get the bowl access BYU does as an independent.

I don't think bowl access will be an issue, there are rarely enough teams to fill all the spots.

BYU does have a hard time with bowl access. This year BYU doesn't have any bowl tie-in. If all the conferences, fulfill their tie-ins, BYU sits out.
BYU may claim ESPN will make sure they are in a bowl, but I doubt the bowls wants to breach their contract unless the conference like the MW offers a spot on a rotating basis ( like next year's Hawaii bowl where BYU will take MW spot that they given up for a bowl somewhere else. )
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 02:04 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 12:21 PM)chidave Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:53 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.

They'll need a conference for other sports and would probably like a step up from the Big South

I also think it would be hard for Liberty to get the bowl access BYU does as an independent.

I don't think bowl access will be an issue, there are rarely enough teams to fill all the spots.

BYU does have a hard time with bowl access. This year BYU doesn't have any bowl tie-in. If all the conferences, fulfill their tie-ins, BYU sits out.
BYU may claim ESPN will make sure they are in a bowl, but I doubt the bowls wants to breach their contract unless the conference like the MW offers a spot on a rotating basis ( like next year's Hawaii bowl where BYU will take MW spot that they given up for a bowl somewhere else. )

Is it even mathematically possible anymore for there not to be enough bowls for bowl eligible teams? It's getting less and less likely.
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 12:21 PM)chidave Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:53 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the better question is would Liberty need a conference if they are successful. If they become like BYU, then I'm sure CUSA or the MAC maybe interested. But if it's gets to that level they may or may not need a conference unless the bowl access is isn't there or they want to play for an Access bowl spot...something that really hampers BYU.

They'll need a conference for other sports and would probably like a step up from the Big South

I also think it would be hard for Liberty to get the bowl access BYU does as an independent.

I don't think bowl access will be an issue, there are rarely enough teams to fill all the spots.

Actually the question should be will Liberty want to be part of the CUSA? Will CUSA split by the time Liberty is really to join a conference? With Stadium and BEIN, who knows if they might not just make as much as SB or CUSA teams do with TV. If Liberty is successful, then you may see other teams want to move from FCS to FBS creating more Indy. Also,unless more bowls fold, odds are in their favor getting to 6-6 gets them into a bowl.

I think the two-tie in requirement for bowls may end up going away. Not preventing bowls to from having the option but just not mandating it. My guess, 2024 will be when there will be a clue. B12 GOR is up, B10 TV contract, and CFP being negotiated. I think that will probably end up being the next big round of realignment and hopefully settle things in for the next 25 years. By that time, I will just hope if I am around, I will be able to just watch the games and actually know what is going one. 04-cheers
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-19-2017 09:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  They do have a substantial endowment and their own tv network, which C-USA could really use right now.

Let's not be hasty. Liberty has some potential, but they haven't even played a game yet as an FBS school.

To quote Jack Nicklaus when asked about Tiger Woods in 2001, ""You guys are all so willing to just hand it to Tiger: Greatest Player Ever, like it's over already. And he'll probably wind up as that. But he has to do it first, doesn't he?"
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(05-19-2017 09:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  They do have a substantial endowment and their own tv network, which C-USA could really use right now.

LOL

They say they have a huge endowment. Unverified. Even so you dont use your endowment for athletics.
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
If C USA wants another team in Virginia James Madison is superior in every way
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(05-23-2017 08:49 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  If C USA wants another team in Virginia James Madison is superior in every way
In many ways JMU was better positioned than LU for FBS. But when one includes over cautious, indecisive, inconsistent, fan-baiting non-actions by school officials to join a conference, which are mostly the powers that be that determine the direction of school and the admins, JMU suffers dreadfully. Read any tread on the JMU board and one can see the frustration fans feel with a school being ready but the fearful/unwisely/we're-better-than-SBC JMU admins saying no. JMU biggest weakness is LU's greatest strength (admins and a Prez who are fully committed, for better or worse, but committed).
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(05-22-2017 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  They do have a substantial endowment and their own tv network, which C-USA could really use right now.

LOL

They say they have a huge endowment. Unverified. Even so you don't use your endowment for athletics.

Their "endowment" is largely the profit from distance learning. Public schools typically have separate foundations to separate private / public money but most private schools don't and some choose to count all of their funds as their "endowment" even if they aren't what most of us would consider endowed funds.
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(05-23-2017 09:15 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  They do have a substantial endowment and their own tv network, which C-USA could really use right now.

LOL

They say they have a huge endowment. Unverified. Even so you don't use your endowment for athletics.

Their "endowment" is largely the profit from distance learning. Public schools typically have separate foundations to separate private / public money but most private schools don't and some choose to count all of their funds as their "endowment" even if they aren't what most of us would consider endowed funds.

And most private schools follow standard accounting and report to NACUBO. That's how we know that Wake Forest really does have an endowment of $1B.
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RE: Does C-USA need to invite Liberty to join in the future?
(05-22-2017 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  They do have a substantial endowment and their own tv network, which C-USA could really use right now.

LOL

They say they have a huge endowment. Unverified. Even so you dont use your endowment for athletics.

That's a good point. Harvard has a big endowment. Huge. Rice has a big endowment. You don't use that to pay for athletics. There has to be a better term for the billion dollar fund Liberty has because it's not an "endowment" as we understand it.
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(05-23-2017 12:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  They do have a substantial endowment and their own tv network, which C-USA could really use right now.

LOL

They say they have a huge endowment. Unverified. Even so you dont use your endowment for athletics.

That's a good point. Harvard has a big endowment. Huge. Rice has a big endowment. You don't use that to pay for athletics. There has to be a better term for the billion dollar fund Liberty has because it's not an "endowment" as we understand it.

I think by saying "endowment" they're saying that it is principal to be invested so that the earnings can be used in the future. Their nonprofit status doesn't allow them to horde cash but they can have an unrestricted "endowment". Either way they've got a lot of money that they can use as they see fit for the most part.
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