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(05-19-2017 12:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27099...ll-in-2017

We can only hope that MT has a Potent Offense, because we are about to begin a whole new era of unknown on the defensive side of the Ball. Bleacher Report seems to think that both Memphis and Western are gonna be ringing up some big scoring numbers as well. Ain't the off season grand?
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(05-19-2017 01:51 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  We can only hope that MT has a Potent Offense, because we are about to begin a whole new era of unknown on the defensive side of the Ball.

You'd prefer the previous era where we knew exactly what to expect?

No way our defense will be any worse.
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(05-19-2017 01:51 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 12:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27099...ll-in-2017

We can only hope that MT has a Potent Offense, because we are about to begin a whole new era of unknown on the defensive side of the Ball. Bleacher Report seems to think that both Memphis and Western are gonna be ringing up some big scoring numbers as well. Ain't the off season grand?

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And Toledo has the #4 offense in the nation. 03-rotfl
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(05-20-2017 04:36 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 01:51 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 12:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27099...ll-in-2017

We can only hope that MT has a Potent Offense, because we are about to begin a whole new era of unknown on the defensive side of the Ball. Bleacher Report seems to think that both Memphis and Western are gonna be ringing up some big scoring numbers as well. Ain't the off season grand?

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(05-20-2017 09:21 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 04:36 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 01:51 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 12:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27099...ll-in-2017

We can only hope that MT has a Potent Offense, because we are about to begin a whole new era of unknown on the defensive side of the Ball. Bleacher Report seems to think that both Memphis and Western are gonna be ringing up some big scoring numbers as well. Ain't the off season grand?

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You lost me?

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(05-20-2017 09:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 09:21 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 04:36 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 01:51 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 12:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27099...ll-in-2017

We can only hope that MT has a Potent Offense, because we are about to begin a whole new era of unknown on the defensive side of the Ball. Bleacher Report seems to think that both Memphis and Western are gonna be ringing up some big scoring numbers as well. Ain't the off season grand?

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You lost me?

He most likely meant The Moody Blues





A lot of those 60s early 70s groups don't look like they sound..

The Animals would be another one...

this one stands the test of time




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(05-20-2017 05:49 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  And Toledo has the #4 offense in the nation. 03-rotfl


Toledo returns a QB that led the nation with 45 TD passes against 9 Ints, #2 in Passing Efficiency 183.3, and passed for 4,129 yards last season.The Rockets are loaded at the skill positions and have a very good OL.
Toledo has won 9 games or more 5 of the past 6 seasons.
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The only positive aspect I see from G-5 designation is the compelling competition for the coveted Bowl Access slot.
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(05-21-2017 01:25 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 05:49 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  And Toledo has the #4 offense in the nation. 03-rotfl


Toledo returns a QB that led the nation with 45 TD passes against 9 Ints, #2 in Passing Efficiency 183.3, and passed for 4,129 yards last season.The Rockets are loaded at the skill positions and have a very good OL.
Toledo has won 9 games or more 5 of the past 6 seasons.

Dude, there is NOTHING you can tell me that won't make me laugh even more. Toledo a better offense than the likes of LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, Auburn, Texas Tech, Texas, Oregon just to name a few? I don't care who you're bringing back. The funniest thing about it all is that it says this in the article, "The rankings are also adjusted for competition." Ha, seriously?!?!

So apparently, the writer still feels they'd have the 4th best offense in the nation even if Toledo faced Big Ten, SEC, or other P5 defenses weekly instead of your Kent States and Eastern Michigans. Hey, at least it provides some good comic relief.

Edit - If by saying, "The rankings are also adjusted for competition", the writer means Toledo and others are ranked as high as they are because they play much weaker competition than the P5's, then it makes a little more sense. But let's face it... Toledo and some others had the stats they had last year partly because of whom they play, so if there really were any adjustments made for competition, they should realistically fall in a ranking of top offenses, because you can't compare offense's stats irrespective of the level of opponent they came against.
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So, I guess that means you think MT's spot at #7 is bunk too.

I believe that Toledo is worthy of being considered top five - certainly top 10. They could run a lot of SEC defenses ragged. It's not like everyone plays like Alabama just because they are P5. Only Georgia Tech and Tennessee had both more yards and points against one of the best SEC defenses (Vanderbilt) than Middle Tennessee did last year. Even wkcc's offense needed overtime to top what we did against Vandy and we didn't exactly play a great game last year. We also put up over 600 yards against Mizzou, so it's not like just because you are a P5 that you can stop a G5 offense.

This attitude is what's wrong with college football today. Believe it or not there is some good football played outside of the P5 conferences.
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(05-21-2017 10:10 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So, I guess that means you think MT's spot at #7 is bunk too.

I believe that Toledo is worthy of being considered top five - certainly top 10. They could run a lot of SEC defenses ragged. It's not like everyone plays like Alabama just because they are P5. Only Georgia Tech and Tennessee had both more yards and points against one of the best SEC defenses (Vanderbilt) than Middle Tennessee did last year. Even wkcc's offense needed overtime to top what we did against Vandy and we didn't exactly play a great game last year. We also put up over 600 yards against Mizzou, so it's not like just because you are a P5 that you can stop a G5 offense.

This attitude is what's wrong with college football today. Believe it or not there is some good football played outside of the P5 conferences.

You and I will agree to disagree then. I never said everyone plays like Alabama just because they're P5, and yes, there most definitely is some good football being played outside of the P5. But ranking Toledo's offense as #4, or even within the top ten, is just asinine.

Btw, you guys definitely did well against Vandy, but while they improved very much last year defensively, calling them one of the SEC's best defenses is going a bit far. Vandy's defense finished the year ranked #65 in total defense overall, 36th of the 64 P5's and 9th of 14 teams in the SEC. You did well against Missouri also, but their defense came in at #116 overall and #60 of the 64 P5's.

Again, I'm not saying Toledo doesn't have a really good offense. I'm saying #4 is beyond ridiculous though. And you can call it an "attitude", but I'm being realistic. If you wanna believe that Toledo's offense is really that good, be my guest though.
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Vanderbilt was 27th in the nation in scoring defense and 5th in the SEC.

And you are damn right I would take Toledo or MT's offense over LSU (especially without Fournette) or Auburn. Hell, Auburn didn't even get to 400 yards of offense against Vandy last year and only scored two touchdowns.

The difference in these teams are their defenses. That's a totally different story. I would take damn near any other P5 defenses over the one we had last year. But if you give me a decent defense with an offense like Toledo's or MT's that's a team that could beat just about anyone outside of the top few elite programs.
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(05-21-2017 12:27 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Vanderbilt was 27th in the nation in scoring defense and 5th in the SEC.

And you are damn right I would take Toledo or MT's offense over LSU (especially without Fournette) or Auburn. Hell, Auburn didn't even get to 400 yards of offense against Vandy last year and only scored two touchdowns.

The difference in these teams are their defenses. That's a totally different story. I would take damn near any other P5 defenses over the one we had last year. But if you give me a decent defense with an offense like Toledo's or MT's that's a team that could beat just about anyone outside of the top few elite programs.

And FIU had more points and more yards against you after 4 quarters than Western Kentucky did too. So does that mean FIU had a better offense than WKU? Of course not. Let's stop comparing how Team A did against Team C with how Team B did against Team C. Cherry-picking individual games can sometimes be just as much about individual match-ups or just how a team is performing on a particular afternoon as anything else. Players and teams do have off-days sometimes, or particularly good days. Better to agree to disagree than go 'round and 'round.
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You brought up the teams. I used Auburn because they were a mutual opponent not because I was cherry picking. I stand by my statement. I would rather have the MT offense over LSU and their incompetent quarterback carousel or Auburn's Jeckyl and Hyde offense.

Just think how many more offensive opportunities we could have if we had a defense half as good as those two teams.
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I'd trade offensive lines with anyone in the SEC more often than not, but yeah, our offense in totallity(not just personnel, but scheme, execution et al) is definitely better than the teams you're listing.

LSU hasn't had a quarterback since... Mettenberger? And they only got him after he was kicked off the team at Georgia.
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Rockets put up about 700 yds(500 yds passing) Offense and 53 points @BYU last season. The Cougars gave up about 19.5 points and 364 yds of Offense a game
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(05-21-2017 08:04 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Rockets put up about 700 yds(500 yds passing) Offense and 53 points @BYU last season. The Cougars gave up about 19.5 points and 364 yds of Offense a game

Was already aware of that before I ever started commenting, and while impressive, it doesn't change anything for me.
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