(05-20-2017 10:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 07:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 08:24 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Both Obamacare and Trumpcare are worthless. Until we get a full repeal and a true free market-based system in place, it will always be a problem for working families.

The Free Market way was failing before Obamacare came along. People were being priced out of the market long before the ACA came into law. Asked the many people who lost their health care insurance before ACA was past? They think ACA is a Godsend.

No, the Free Market way was not failing before Obamacare. First, because what we had before Obamacare bore no resemblance to the free market. Two, because it was not failing. But you are not going to abandon your false narrative.
Bismarck works because it is universal care with more free market than we have had in the US since at least the 1950s.

The major problems with the free market had to do with Reagan's law that he past in the 1980s where hospitals can't turn away people who do not have health care. That included Illegals can get free health care, and we all wound up paying for them. 2.It is the insurance companies at fault as well for dropping or raise the premiums of people in the late 1980s to the late 1990s where people wound up being priced out. The problem had to do with number 1 with Reagan's crap. 3.The drug companies raised prices throughout the 1990s. When there are no generics for certain expensive drugs, many people wind up paying more for the meds.

"Reagan's law" that "he past (sic)"? Civics, anyone?

(05-20-2017 10:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 07:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 08:24 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Both Obamacare and Trumpcare are worthless. Until we get a full repeal and a true free market-based system in place, it will always be a problem for working families.

The Free Market way was failing before Obamacare came along. People were being priced out of the market long before the ACA came into law. Asked the many people who lost their health care insurance before ACA was past? They think ACA is a Godsend.

No, the Free Market way was not failing before Obamacare. First, because what we had before Obamacare bore no resemblance to the free market. Two, because it was not failing. But you are not going to abandon your false narrative.

Bismarck works because it is universal care with more free market than we have had in the US since at least the 1950s.

The major problems with the free market had to do with Reagan's law that he past in the 1980s where hospitals can't turn away people who do not have health care. That included Illegals can get free health care, and we all wound up paying for them. 2.It is the insurance companies at fault as well for dropping or raise the premiums of people in the late 1980s to the late 1990s where people wound up being priced out. The problem had to do with number 1 with Reagan's crap. 3.The drug companies raised prices throughout the 1990s. When there are no generics for certain expensive drugs, many people wind up paying more for the meds.

My gosh.

Really?

(05-20-2017 12:11 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 05:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 04:09 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  First time IN OUR HISTORY under zerO, we've been shutting more businesses than opening them.

First. Time. Ever.

Link? And I hate to break this to you, but Obama is no longer in office.

Fact. You can look it up.

And hate to break it to you, yes zerO's thankfully no longer in office. But, the damage he did while there, and the real pain and suffering he has caused for millions will continue for years at a minimum, possibly decades.

Sorry...doesn't work that way. I need to see your evidence to judge it's veracity. Try again.

And FWIW, I googled and found nothing. In addition, I need to see your source to see what metrics they are using...what they are calling a business...and how they judged what exactly Obama did to cause it.

I look forward to seeing your link Monday morning when I return.

P.S.: I keep doing this in hopes that I will actually have to say you guys are right about these seemingly outrageous statistics about Obama. I really want to see it happen once. Make it happen my friend!

Damn, just do the google.
Heres one from the beloved leftist rag, the Washpost:

An excerpt. Tell me what you'd like to argue with the comPost about, your argument isn't with me. Clown.

Quote:Consequently, for the first time in 30 years, business deaths now outnumber business births, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...2e7e577812

Thanks...was it really that hard? But thanks for calling me a clown...that furthers the discussion tremendously.

Now, back to the issue...that article is nearly 3 years old. What's the current situation...or what was it when Obama left office?

And your article cites the census. Do you have a link for the actual census data on this?

In addition, the figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) show different information. Incidentally, they don't show death outpacing births in 2014 as the post says the census data shows, but they do show them outpacing births at the end of 2008 through the middle of 2010 when the economy was really in the crapper at the end of the Bush presidency and the beginning of the Obama presidency.
Table 8. Private sector establishment births and deaths, seasonally adjusted

And here's a BLS chart for you as well:

https://www.bls.gov/bdm/entrepreneurship...urship.htm

Clown is JMU's way of giving you a rib shot and Indian rubbing your head. It's a term of endearment to him.