He had 4 attempts.

(05-15-2017 05:37 PM)Clarity Wrote:  He had 4 attempts.

Still missed more on 4 attempts than DeWayne did on 10

Dewayne is a good free throw shooter. Congrats. He sucked when it mattered from the field is the main point. 1-12. Not like any of this even matters. Why are we even taking about this?

(05-15-2017 03:50 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:41 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  New Mexico State signs a big time shooting guard out of Texas. He is a three-star by rivals.com, rated 16th best player in the state of Texas, and was the Class 4A Player of the Year. He also averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game.

Not really that impressive to be POY at 4A. Schools all have under 1000 students.

Chris Bosh (Georgia Tech), LeBryan Nash (Oklahoma State), Bryan Hopkins (SMU), Byron Eaton (Oklahoma State), Leonard Hopkins (North Texas), Gary Flowers (Southern Mississippi), and DK Eldridge (NMSU) are notable names who attended Dallas Lincoln HS. The same HS Kortrijk Miles is at now. The "A" classification only applies to schools size, not the talent on the court. States like Texas, California, Illinois have abundance of talent at various school sizes. You can turn your nose up at a kid at the class 4A level but keep in mind, CSUB's arguably best player Damiyne Durham came from the class 1A level. Heck, Dewayne Russell played for Arizona 4A Peoria HS. And, before you point out Miles 2-star status, keep in mind Pascal Siakam was rated a 2-star players in Texas when NMSU signed him. Also, Eli Chuha is also only rated as a 2-star player and played for California Division 2A Redland East Valley HS.

All we're saying is this kid isn't the next coming of God. He's most likely going to redshirt anyway. Thinking he is going to come in right away and put up Braxton Huggins' numbers is delusional. He almost certainly will not be an instant impact guy. Nobody is saying he can't eventually be good, just pretty underwhelming as the first Jans signee is all.

(05-16-2017 12:39 AM)Clarity Wrote:  All we're saying is this kid isn't the next coming of God. He's most likely going to redshirt anyway. Thinking he is going to come in right away and put up Braxton Huggins' numbers is delusional. He almost certainly will not be an instant impact guy. Nobody is saying he can't eventually be good, just pretty underwhelming as the first Jans signee is all .

No, it's Sidy Ndir who will take over for Huggins scoring. "If" he is healthy, Ndir is more than capable of putting up better numbers than Huggins. Additionally, Ndir is a better defender. If Miles plays this season, all he has to do is give NMSU some bench minutes. The same as Aussie Gabe Hadley. Heck, even Durham has come off the bench these last two seasons for Barnes.

Also, keep in mind, there are not a lot of "good" freshmen available at this late date. Additionally, Jans has not recruited a player in nearly two years; since he left Bowling Greens. He hasn't had lot of time to assess the remaining freshman available. And, NMSU is a late addition to many of these recruiting battles.

(05-16-2017 12:16 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:50 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:41 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  New Mexico State signs a big time shooting guard out of Texas. He is a three-star by rivals.com, rated 16th best player in the state of Texas, and was the Class 4A Player of the Year. He also averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game.

Not really that impressive to be POY at 4A. Schools all have under 1000 students.

Chris Bosh (Georgia Tech), LeBryan Nash (Oklahoma State), Bryan Hopkins (SMU), Byron Eaton (Oklahoma State), Leonard Hopkins (North Texas), Gary Flowers (Southern Mississippi), and DK Eldridge (NMSU) are notable names who attended Dallas Lincoln HS. The same HS Kortrijk Miles is at now. The "A" classification only applies to schools size, not the talent on the court. States like Texas, California, Illinois have abundance of talent at various school sizes. You can turn your nose up at a kid at the class 4A level but keep in mind, CSUB's arguably best player Damiyne Durham came from the class 1A level. Heck, Dewayne Russell played for Arizona 4A Peoria HS. And, before you point out Miles 2-star status, keep in mind Pascal Siakam was rated a 2-star players in Texas when NMSU signed him. Also, Eli Chuha is also only rated as a 2-star player and played for California Division 2A Redland East Valley HS.

I never said that the level has to do with the talent, but 4A is a smaller talent pool, that's the point I was trying to make. And 2A is actually big in California, they work backwards for some odd reason.

Richardson is 54-75 (27-31 in the WAC) as HC. His best conference records are barely above .500, at 8-6. NMSU hasn't lost 6 conference games in the last 3 years combined. CSUB has only dropped 5 WAC games in the last 2 years.

How do you tell which years are "up" and which are "down" for UMKC?

(05-15-2017 04:33 PM)Vaqueronation Wrote:  It is a very good pick up. Look at the schools who got players just above and below Miles, levi, and bowie. Houston, Iowa State, Cincinnati, SMU, SFA, Texas Tech. The talent in Texas is a lot deeper than in just about every state.

(05-16-2017 12:39 AM)Clarity Wrote:  All we're saying is this kid isn't the next coming of God. He's most likely going to redshirt anyway. Thinking he is going to come in right away and put up Braxton Huggins' numbers is delusional. He almost certainly will not be an instant impact guy. Nobody is saying he can't eventually be good, just pretty underwhelming as the first Jans signee is all.

He is not the next coming of God, but he has the skills to be an elite guard in this conference. It was a very good signing for Chris Jan's and New Mexico State.

(05-16-2017 12:59 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:16 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:50 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:41 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  New Mexico State signs a big time shooting guard out of Texas. He is a three-star by rivals.com, rated 16th best player in the state of Texas, and was the Class 4A Player of the Year. He also averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game.

Not really that impressive to be POY at 4A. Schools all have under 1000 students.

Chris Bosh (Georgia Tech), LeBryan Nash (Oklahoma State), Bryan Hopkins (SMU), Byron Eaton (Oklahoma State), Leonard Hopkins (North Texas), Gary Flowers (Southern Mississippi), and DK Eldridge (NMSU) are notable names who attended Dallas Lincoln HS. The same HS Kortrijk Miles is at now. The "A" classification only applies to schools size, not the talent on the court. States like Texas, California, Illinois have abundance of talent at various school sizes. You can turn your nose up at a kid at the class 4A level but keep in mind, CSUB's arguably best player Damiyne Durham came from the class 1A level. Heck, Dewayne Russell played for Arizona 4A Peoria HS. And, before you point out Miles 2-star status, keep in mind Pascal Siakam was rated a 2-star players in Texas when NMSU signed him. Also, Eli Chuha is also only rated as a 2-star player and played for California Division 2A Redland East Valley HS.

I never said that the level has to do with the talent, but 4A is a smaller talent pool, that's the point I was trying to make. And 2A is actually big in California, they work backwards for some odd reason.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

(05-16-2017 12:39 AM)Clarity Wrote:  All we're saying is this kid isn't the next coming of God. He's most likely going to redshirt anyway. Thinking he is going to come in right away and put up Braxton Huggins' numbers is delusional. He almost certainly will not be an instant impact guy. Nobody is saying he can't eventually be good, just pretty underwhelming as the first Jans signee is all.

How is it a pretty underwhelming commit?

He was offered by some good schools. He was one of the best 25 players in the state of Texas. Rivals.com has him rated a three-star recruit. It's a very good signing. He has the skills to become an elite guard in the WAC.

He is not a top 25 Texas recruit stop lying. We already proved you wrong.

Quit arguing with these guys Frank. It's fruitless. CSUB and GCU do everything better. Reality is stars and rankings are probably only good when you have a four/five star recruit. Pascal was recruited by nobody and was a 2 star and ended up being a first round NBA pick and making over a million dollars a year playing his first season. I have confidence Jans is a good evaluator of talent and got a good pick up. He was being recruited by several schools, including Houston so that is not too shabby. Larry Bird played high school ball for a hick town and look what happened. Only time will tell. I will say Frank you get probably too overexcited about stars. Only time will tell whether a recruit is good or not. Debating about whether a player is going to be good or not based on his high school or junior college performance is an exercise in futility. We can only hope our coaches and their staff are good evaluators of talent and we go with it. IMO, Barnes, Majerle, Pope and Jans while at Wichita State have done so. Exciting times for the WAC ahead.

(05-16-2017 09:53 AM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:59 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:16 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:50 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:41 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  New Mexico State signs a big time shooting guard out of Texas. He is a three-star by rivals.com, rated 16th best player in the state of Texas, and was the Class 4A Player of the Year. He also averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game.

Not really that impressive to be POY at 4A. Schools all have under 1000 students.

Chris Bosh (Georgia Tech), LeBryan Nash (Oklahoma State), Bryan Hopkins (SMU), Byron Eaton (Oklahoma State), Leonard Hopkins (North Texas), Gary Flowers (Southern Mississippi), and DK Eldridge (NMSU) are notable names who attended Dallas Lincoln HS. The same HS Kortrijk Miles is at now. The "A" classification only applies to schools size, not the talent on the court. States like Texas, California, Illinois have abundance of talent at various school sizes. You can turn your nose up at a kid at the class 4A level but keep in mind, CSUB's arguably best player Damiyne Durham came from the class 1A level. Heck, Dewayne Russell played for Arizona 4A Peoria HS. And, before you point out Miles 2-star status, keep in mind Pascal Siakam was rated a 2-star players in Texas when NMSU signed him. Also, Eli Chuha is also only rated as a 2-star player and played for California Division 2A Redland East Valley HS.

I never said that the level has to do with the talent, but 4A is a smaller talent pool, that's the point I was trying to make. And 2A is actually big in California, they work backwards for some odd reason.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

I went to a 3A high school in California, I think I know what I am talking about.

(05-16-2017 12:35 PM)Clarity Wrote:  He is not a top 25 Texas recruit stop lying. We already proved you wrong.

He is the 24th best recruit out of Texas for 2017.

https://texashoops.rivals.com/news/ranki...ss-of-2017

(05-16-2017 01:37 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:53 AM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:59 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:16 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:50 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  Not really that impressive to be POY at 4A. Schools all have under 1000 students.

Chris Bosh (Georgia Tech), LeBryan Nash (Oklahoma State), Bryan Hopkins (SMU), Byron Eaton (Oklahoma State), Leonard Hopkins (North Texas), Gary Flowers (Southern Mississippi), and DK Eldridge (NMSU) are notable names who attended Dallas Lincoln HS. The same HS Kortrijk Miles is at now. The "A" classification only applies to schools size, not the talent on the court. States like Texas, California, Illinois have abundance of talent at various school sizes. You can turn your nose up at a kid at the class 4A level but keep in mind, CSUB's arguably best player Damiyne Durham came from the class 1A level. Heck, Dewayne Russell played for Arizona 4A Peoria HS. And, before you point out Miles 2-star status, keep in mind Pascal Siakam was rated a 2-star players in Texas when NMSU signed him. Also, Eli Chuha is also only rated as a 2-star player and played for California Division 2A Redland East Valley HS.

I never said that the level has to do with the talent, but 4A is a smaller talent pool, that's the point I was trying to make. And 2A is actually big in California, they work backwards for some odd reason.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

I went to a 3A high school in California, I think I know what I am talking about.

You don't know squat. Why don't you worry about your own lame ass team.

Lol settle down old man.

(05-16-2017 01:45 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:35 PM)Clarity Wrote:  He is not a top 25 Texas recruit stop lying. We already proved you wrong.

He is the 24th best recruit out of Texas for 2017.

https://texashoops.rivals.com/news/ranki...ss-of-2017

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baske...tate/texas

The most high profile ranking system doesn't have him in the top 30. VC doesn't have him as a 3 star. IF he was even the 24th best Texas recruit, which he's not, you would be recruiting on par with UTRVG congrats.

(05-16-2017 01:06 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Quit arguing with these guys Frank. It's fruitless. CSUB and GCU do everything better. Reality is stars and rankings are probably only good when you have a four/five star recruit. Pascal was recruited by nobody and was a 2 star and ended up being a first round NBA pick and making over a million dollars a year playing his first season. I have confidence Jans is a good evaluator of talent and got a good pick up. He was being recruited by several schools, including Houston so that is not too shabby. Larry Bird played high school ball for a hick town and look what happened. Only time will tell. I will say Frank you get probably too overexcited about stars. Only time will tell whether a recruit is good or not. Debating about whether a player is going to be good or not based on his high school or junior college performance is an exercise in futility. We can only hope our coaches and their staff are good evaluators of talent and we go with it. IMO, Barnes, Majerle, Pope and Jans while at Wichita State have done so. Exciting times for the WAC ahead.

Agree with this a lot except even four stars can be busts. The only reality in recruiting is a top 10 overall recruit will get drafted in the NBA. That is why I hardly pay attention. This year was different because UMKC had so many seniors so I wanted to see at least what positions we were recruiting. No idea on any of their talent until they play against other DI teams.

(05-16-2017 03:22 PM)RoosHouse Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:28 AM)gleadley Wrote:  Richardson is 54-75 (27-31 in the WAC) as HC. His best conference records are barely above .500, at 8-6. NMSU hasn't lost 6 conference games in the last 3 years combined. CSUB has only dropped 5 WAC games in the last 2 years.

How do you tell which years are "up" and which are "down" for UMKC?

I use place. First year in wac 6th place. 2nd year in wac tied for 2nd. 3rd year in wac 6th place. 4th year in wac 4th place. Notice a pattern bottom half of league then top half of league. NMSU and GCU have significantly easier schedule than most other teams in the WAC something its looks like they are trying to improve so its hard to compare overall records.

UMKC has had trouble winning road games in the WAC, but has nice home court. Travel is a large part of this. This keeps us close to 500 in the WAC. So up is when we win slightly more road games and down is when we pretty much loose all the road games.

Everyone has the same travel schedule though in conference.