(05-17-2017 07:13 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 04:37 PM)Bull Wrote:  

I would likely leave the conference as is and invest in the current group. I think the league is on a good trajectory and hopefully a nice new TV deal and at the very least some incremental bowl improvements will reflect that.

This /\
We are moving upwards, don't need any from MWC which has its tranny in reverse.

(05-18-2017 06:55 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 07:13 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 04:37 PM)Bull Wrote:  

I would likely leave the conference as is and invest in the current group. I think the league is on a good trajectory and hopefully a nice new TV deal and at the very least some incremental bowl improvements will reflect that.

This /\
We are moving upwards, don't need any from MWC which has its tranny in reverse.

Ummmm....nm

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(05-18-2017 12:27 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:42 PM)panama Wrote:  Stay the course.

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Come to think of it, Georgia State isn't bad after all... Although this here bellow could use some help...

Georgia State University

Type Public university
Established 1913
Endowment $186 million <---------- AAC target if increased
President Mark P. Becker
Administrative staff
1,716
Students 50,972 (2017) <---------- I like this here
Undergraduates 25,160 (2015)[4]
Postgraduates 6,920 (2015)[4]
Location Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.

Just curious but what's yall's budget, panama?!?

Was $28M last year. Not sure about this year with the stadium. We are not ready.

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(05-17-2017 03:36 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  We're in. Might regret saying that when October rolls around, but our last game in 2015 was pretty fun to watch.

Besides the UConn series, every single BYU-AAC game has been competitive and fun to watch. (Although the first two listed were in the CUSA days, it was just a couple years before the AAC)

2011 - BYU 24, UCF 17 - in Provo (BYU needed a kick return TD to win the game)
2011 - BYU 24, Tulsa 21 - Armed Forces Bowl (BYU come-from-behind victory)
2013 - BYU 47, Houston 46 - at Reliant (tons of scoring, another comeback victory)
2014 - BYU 33, Houston 25- in Provo (season opener - BYU pulls away late)
2014 - UCF 31, BYU 24 (in OT) - in Orlando
2014 - Memphis 55, BYU 48 (in 2OT) - Miami Beach Bowl (ended ugly with the brawl, but up until that moment, this was a classic!)
2015 - BYU 45, ECU 38 - in Provo (winning TD with :19 left - another late victory)
2015 - BYU 38, Cincinnati 24 - in Provo (another comeback victory)
2016 - BYU 20, Cincinnati 3 - in Cincinnati (battle until BYU pulls away late)

That's 7 out of 9 games decided by one score or less, including two overtime games! if Boise was also part of the mix, that would add 3 more exciting, close games to the mix in the last 5 seasons.

That is quality football that could make some noise with TV ratings with consistency.

I expect nothing less than an exciting and competitive game in Greenville this October!

(05-18-2017 07:05 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:27 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Georgia State University
Endowment $186 million <----- AAC target if increased
Students 50,972 (2017) <------- I like this here

Just curious but what's yall's budget, panama?!?

Was $28M last year. Not sure about this year with the stadium. We are not ready.

But headed in the right direction.

(05-18-2017 07:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:05 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:27 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Georgia State University
Endowment $186 million <----- AAC target if increased
Students 50,972 (2017) <------- I like this here

Just curious but what's yall's budget, panama?!?

Was $28M last year. Not sure about this year with the stadium. We are not ready.

But headed in the right direction.

Need phase II of the stadium next year and then need to fix the MBB arena situation

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(05-17-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Worth a listen. Makes some interesting comments regarding the TV deal. That said, he does seem to be all over the place in these interviews about timing for new contract talks. In this one, he says something to the effect that ESPN has expressed interest in talking again in 2018. He also says that we are free to talk to other networks in early 2019 (which means the exclusive negotiating period ends much earlier than I had thought). Says we need some sort of contract bowl or at least some sort of "quasi contract bowl" in the interim. Good to see he's still looking to do something to get the AAC an anchor bowl.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/5/16/...aac-sports

Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

(05-19-2017 07:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Worth a listen. Makes some interesting comments regarding the TV deal. That said, he does seem to be all over the place in these interviews about timing for new contract talks. In this one, he says something to the effect that ESPN has expressed interest in talking again in 2018. He also says that we are free to talk to other networks in early 2019 (which means the exclusive negotiating period ends much earlier than I had thought). Says we need some sort of contract bowl or at least some sort of "quasi contract bowl" in the interim. Good to see he's still looking to do something to get the AAC an anchor bowl.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/5/16/...aac-sports

Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

On the bowl front nothing will change until the next bowl contract cycle. I do agree that getting a better bowl for our top team is a must.
Gator bowl is not going to happen they have never been receptive to it and that won't change.
The targets will probably be
1.Liberty Bowl
2. Camping World Bowl in Orlando, old Champs
3. AdvoCare Texas Bowl in Houston
4. Independence Bowl, Shreveport
5. Zaxbys Heart of Dallas

The top three would be can the AAC replace Big12 or at least get a part of it. So be one of the main options
4. Is low on totem poll of SEC/ ACC teams and they have had problems getting eligible teams, so I see this one ripe for the pickings
5. This one is a CUSA bowl so the question becomes is it attached to the league, if so can the AAC get the BigTen to match up elsewhere, this could be a reason the old MB Bowl moved to Texas. Would a match up between BigTen- AAC bring more money and better tv date than currently.

(05-19-2017 07:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Worth a listen. Makes some interesting comments regarding the TV deal. That said, he does seem to be all over the place in these interviews about timing for new contract talks. In this one, he says something to the effect that ESPN has expressed interest in talking again in 2018. He also says that we are free to talk to other networks in early 2019 (which means the exclusive negotiating period ends much earlier than I had thought). Says we need some sort of contract bowl or at least some sort of "quasi contract bowl" in the interim. Good to see he's still looking to do something to get the AAC an anchor bowl.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/5/16/...aac-sports

Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

Gator, Russel, or Liberty would be an enormous coup. In my slanted opinion, the league has earned this level of competition with the two wins in contract bow.s. At this point, I would be perfectly content wth the league champ in one of these bowls. The Sun and Holiday is a step in the right direction, but unsatisfying.

(05-20-2017 08:55 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 07:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Worth a listen. Makes some interesting comments regarding the TV deal. That said, he does seem to be all over the place in these interviews about timing for new contract talks. In this one, he says something to the effect that ESPN has expressed interest in talking again in 2018. He also says that we are free to talk to other networks in early 2019 (which means the exclusive negotiating period ends much earlier than I had thought). Says we need some sort of contract bowl or at least some sort of "quasi contract bowl" in the interim. Good to see he's still looking to do something to get the AAC an anchor bowl.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/5/16/...aac-sports

Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

Gator, Russel, or Liberty would be an enormous coup. In my slanted opinion, the league has earned this level of competition with the two wins in contract bow.s. At this point, I would be perfectly content wth the league champ in one of these bowls. The Sun and Holiday is a step in the right direction, but unsatisfying.

You can forget the Gator they have made it very clear they are happy taking the last SEC vs the last BigTen over any other.

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

(05-20-2017 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

Does this supposed "ESPN effect" only contribute to AAC viewership and not that of other power conferences?

(05-20-2017 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

Sure can. Let them risk that at a time that they need viewers.

(05-20-2017 11:45 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 08:55 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 07:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Worth a listen. Makes some interesting comments regarding the TV deal. That said, he does seem to be all over the place in these interviews about timing for new contract talks. In this one, he says something to the effect that ESPN has expressed interest in talking again in 2018. He also says that we are free to talk to other networks in early 2019 (which means the exclusive negotiating period ends much earlier than I had thought). Says we need some sort of contract bowl or at least some sort of "quasi contract bowl" in the interim. Good to see he's still looking to do something to get the AAC an anchor bowl.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/5/16/...aac-sports

Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

Gator, Russel, or Liberty would be an enormous coup. In my slanted opinion, the league has earned this level of competition with the two wins in contract bow.s. At this point, I would be perfectly content wth the league champ in one of these bowls. The Sun and Holiday is a step in the right direction, but unsatisfying.

You can forget the Gator they have made it very clear they are happy taking the last SEC vs the last BigTen over any other.

The reason I bring up Gator is Jacksonville is a rinky dink media market from the P5 perspective with issues in putting butts in seats as it's slipped in stature.

The Liberty arrangement I feel harkens back to the days when CUSA had a tie with the Liberty. It would do more for the SBC to pick up the Liberty or Independence bowl for stature than for it to end up in AAC hands.

AAC already has the cure in Orlando so I don't see them double dipping with Russel.

(05-20-2017 03:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

Sure can. Let them risk that at a time that they need viewers.

I bet one way or the other, they have the analytics to parse out what aspect of our ratings is "us", and what aspect is "them", the ESPN brand and platform. Probably isn't all that much risk/guessing about it.

Clearly, our leaders believe it's at least partially ESPN. We've heard many times how great it has been to be on ESPN because they are a higher-profile platform than the other cable sports networks. Those words may come back to bite us in the negotiations.

(05-20-2017 07:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 03:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

Sure can. Let them risk that at a time that they need viewers.

I bet one way or the other, they have the analytics to parse out what aspect of our ratings is "us", and what aspect is "them", the ESPN brand and platform. Probably isn't all that much risk/guessing about it.

Clearly, our leaders believe it's at least partially ESPN. We've heard many times how great it has been to be on ESPN because they are a higher-profile platform than the other cable sports networks. Those words may come back to bite us in the negotiations.

I wish people would stop bringing up AAC ratings on ESPN because ESPN can plug anyone in and get good ratings. I remember some of those Boise games on espn and they had gigantic ratings. The Boise vs Virginia Tech game had the second best ratings of the year....Boise vs Georgia was gigantic as well....Put Marshall vs Florida St on ESPN and it'll be huge. Same with Southern Miss vs Penn St or San Diego St vs Michigan....let's just be honest. That's the power that espn has right now....And I'm not talking about ESPN news at midnight. ESPN prime time.

(05-20-2017 08:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 07:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 03:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

Sure can. Let them risk that at a time that they need viewers.

I bet one way or the other, they have the analytics to parse out what aspect of our ratings is "us", and what aspect is "them", the ESPN brand and platform. Probably isn't all that much risk/guessing about it.

Clearly, our leaders believe it's at least partially ESPN. We've heard many times how great it has been to be on ESPN because they are a higher-profile platform than the other cable sports networks. Those words may come back to bite us in the negotiations.

I wish people would stop bringing up AAC ratings on ESPN because ESPN can plug anyone in and get good ratings. I remember some of those Boise games on espn and they had gigantic ratings. The Boise vs Virginia Tech game had the second best ratings of the year....Boise vs Georgia was gigantic as well....Put Marshall vs Florida St on ESPN and it'll be huge. Same with Southern Miss vs Penn St or San Diego St vs Michigan....let's just be honest. That's the power that espn has right now....And I'm not talking about ESPN news at midnight. ESPN prime time.

You are confusing Opening Weekend games and stand alone kickoff classics vs regular season games.

By Week 3, many conf are deep into conference play where landing ESPN Primetime slots are much harder to land.

PS. With FOX now a main carrier for BIG TEN starting this season (with Big Ten TV Network and ESPN Networks), that will actually open up more afternoon and night time slots for other conf that have ESPN had their main tv partner.

(05-20-2017 05:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:45 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 08:55 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 07:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Worth a listen. Makes some interesting comments regarding the TV deal. That said, he does seem to be all over the place in these interviews about timing for new contract talks. In this one, he says something to the effect that ESPN has expressed interest in talking again in 2018. He also says that we are free to talk to other networks in early 2019 (which means the exclusive negotiating period ends much earlier than I had thought). Says we need some sort of contract bowl or at least some sort of "quasi contract bowl" in the interim. Good to see he's still looking to do something to get the AAC an anchor bowl.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/5/16/...aac-sports

Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

Gator, Russel, or Liberty would be an enormous coup. In my slanted opinion, the league has earned this level of competition with the two wins in contract bow.s. At this point, I would be perfectly content wth the league champ in one of these bowls. The Sun and Holiday is a step in the right direction, but unsatisfying.

You can forget the Gator they have made it very clear they are happy taking the last SEC vs the last BigTen over any other.

The reason I bring up Gator is Jacksonville is a rinky dink media market from the P5 perspective with issues in putting butts in seats as it's slipped in stature.

The Liberty arrangement I feel harkens back to the days when CUSA had a tie with the Liberty. It would do more for the SBC to pick up the Liberty or Independence bowl for stature than for it to end up in AAC hands.

AAC already has the cure in Orlando so I don't see them double dipping with Russel.

The reason you won't see the AAC "double dipping" with the Russel Bowl is because the Russel Bowl has absolutely zero interest in dropping either the Big 12 or ACC in order to add the AAC.

As for the Gator, it would be rather surprising if the SEC, B1G, and ACC have any interest in dropping a historical New Year's Eve bowl in a media market that is big enough for the NFL, and pays out $2.75 million per conference, one of the better non-NY6 payouts.

(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 05:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:45 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 08:55 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 07:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Quasi-contract bowl?

Those words to me sound like a Holiday, Sun, Liberty, Gator level bowl somewhere.

It would be a huge boon for the AAC to send their champ a higher profile bowl.

Gator, Russel, or Liberty would be an enormous coup. In my slanted opinion, the league has earned this level of competition with the two wins in contract bow.s. At this point, I would be perfectly content wth the league champ in one of these bowls. The Sun and Holiday is a step in the right direction, but unsatisfying.

You can forget the Gator they have made it very clear they are happy taking the last SEC vs the last BigTen over any other.

The reason I bring up Gator is Jacksonville is a rinky dink media market from the P5 perspective with issues in putting butts in seats as it's slipped in stature.

The Liberty arrangement I feel harkens back to the days when CUSA had a tie with the Liberty. It would do more for the SBC to pick up the Liberty or Independence bowl for stature than for it to end up in AAC hands.

AAC already has the cure in Orlando so I don't see them double dipping with Russel.

The reason you won't see the AAC "double dipping" with the Russel Bowl is because the Russel Bowl has absolutely zero interest in dropping either the Big 12 or ACC in order to add the AAC.

As for the Gator, it would be rather surprising if the SEC, B1G, and ACC have any interest in dropping a historical New Year's Eve bowl in a media market that is big enough for the NFL, and pays out $2.75 million per conference, one of the better non-NY6 payouts.

Since ESPN has other G5 loiked up, if I were ESPN, I would try and pepper in G5 games to see what the pull they could get. If the rating do and don't dramatically fall off, they would be a good indicator of what should be done.

(05-20-2017 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think 3-4 million is going to get an early deal done. The AAC already knows they can sub out games to CBS-Sports. NBC still has no FBS presence beyond Notre Dame. The AAC package has posted 32 games of over a million viewers in 3 years. Thats near P5 performance.

But, ESPN could easily view that as an "ESPN effect", not an AAC effect.

Totally up to ESPN.

If ESPN gets out bid, they can put CUSA, MAC, or Sunbelt games in those slots and hope that S Alabama has the same ratings as Navy, Hosuston, UCF, etc.

But here is the reality---ESPN lost 50% of thier Big10 games (pretty tough to replace). The best available replacement inventory in their stable is going be the better AAC games. So, what your proposing is, ESPN is going to dump half its Big10 games, all its best replacement games (the AAC) for those slots, plus create another 40 or so holes in its broadcast windows by losing all its AAC inventory-----in order to replace it all with MAC and Sunbelt stuff it had previously decided was deserving of no better than ESPN-3 treatment. This would be the same MAC, Sunbelt, and CUSA stuff that drew less than 50% of the AAC ratings when on the same ESPN network family. They will make this move in order to save 40-60 million a year? Let's not forget that as carriage income declines, advertising revenue becomes more important---which means ratings matter.

The truth is, using the AAC as a replacement for the lost Big10 inventory saves ESPN a crap load of money whether they pay them 2 million a team or 10 million a team. As long as they aren't paying the AAC 18 million a team, which is what it would have cost to hold onto the lost half of the Big10 rights, they are saving money. Even at 10 million a year per AAC team, ESPN is saving 130 million. I don't see the AAC getting 10 million a team, so we are going to be saving ESPN a decent chunk of change. From a ratings stand point, it's not much of a change, because ESPN held on to many of the better Big10 games, so the top AAC games will be replacing mid-to-lower performing Big10 games, thus the difference in ratings would be negligible. The number of viewers is very similar, but the price per viewer drops significantly. My guess is that this was the ESPN strategy going into the Big10 negotiations and is why their bid for the first half of Big10 rights was "uncompetetive".