RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-20-2017 04:36 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:
(05-20-2017 04:28 PM)OsageJ Wrote:
(05-20-2017 04:27 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:
(05-20-2017 04:26 PM)OsageJ Wrote:
(05-20-2017 04:25 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote: I disagree. I put the odds at 1%. Chances are incredibly low, but it would be possible.
Had UH finished the season undefeated last year, I believe they would have quite probably been in the CFP.
Won't happen.
Would have happened if UH didn't crap the bed last year.
Which Autonomous 5 team would they have kicked out.
It's all hypothetical, of course, but I think an undefeated UH last year would have taken Washington's spot.
Well, its an argument that's basically impossible to prove. But even the talking heads were saying that Houston wouldn't get in even if undefeated.
They will drop the respect for the opponents that we beat, it doesn't matter who it is. You could always throw out the situation where a team like that has beaten 3 current p5 champions, and if that was Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma I'd agree with you. But nobody is scheduling that nor should they have to. Not even those hypothetical conference champions are scheduling that way. Considering that such a schedule would require a crystal ball to figure out who would be the champions of those conferences on the year you play them - set years in advance.. (and they all have to agree to play you on the same year - something they probably wouldn't do) and that magic schedule would have to coincide with the one magical year that your G5 actually put together that dream team.... It ain't going to happen. But that door is left cracked open to give the illusion of the possibility. In reality, any team that gets close to that door would be taken out by the sniper shot of devaluing as many wins as possible. It would take a miracle. It ain't happening.
They SHOULD let us in, but they have no intentions of doing that.
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2017 09:24 PM by The4thOption.)
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
This year I think this is true but if the Sun Belt remains on it's current trajectory this won't be true five years from now.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
If all things were close to equal in a scenario where a random SBC team and a random CUSA team both won P5 games against similar foes, and both went undefeated, you might be right. But, that is highly unlikely.
It is more likely that you would have one with a higher quality P5 win then the other and the selection committee would go with whoever has the highest ranking. The selection committee doesn't see much of a difference between G5 teams or conferences.
(This post was last modified: 05-21-2017 07:59 AM by Rik Flair.)
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
Troy got ranked last year in spite of no Power 5 wins and their best game being a loss to Clemson. That tells you right there perception is catching up to reality, at least among those with the responsibility of helping to determine rankings that will be used in any official capacity.
Just because reality may not have caught up to message board dunderheads and some bleacher report writers doesn't mean people who have a responsibility to be informed in a rudimentary manner aren't going to.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
Anybody with a knowledge of statistics knows that when this many people say are saying the same thing, the rest of the country probably thinks the same way. It's why most polling data (though not all, and not always) is relatively accurate. I'm sure there's a recent exception that some are frothing at the mouth to point out, but it's an exception, not the rule. The SBC has improved every year for a while now and the historical perception of the SBC is going by the wayside. By the end of the year, I suspect the national perception of the SBC within the G5 will be much more solidified than it already is.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It lasted approximately 72 hours. Then they played the conference champs.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 06:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It lasted approximately 72 hours. Then they played the conference champs.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 06:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It lasted approximately 72 hours. Then they played the conference champs.
They were still hung over from having gotten past the conference champs.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 07:43 PM)AppinVA Wrote:
(05-21-2017 06:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It lasted approximately 72 hours. Then they played the conference champs.
They were still hung over from having gotten past the conference champs.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 07:43 PM)AppinVA Wrote:
(05-21-2017 06:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It lasted approximately 72 hours. Then they played the conference champs.
They were still hung over from having gotten past the conference champs.
We're a lethal combination. An ASU strikes fear in the heart of the Sun Belt, two ASU's back to back? You might as well just give up now.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 09:49 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:
(05-21-2017 07:43 PM)AppinVA Wrote:
(05-21-2017 06:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It lasted approximately 72 hours. Then they played the conference champs.
They were still hung over from having gotten past the conference champs.
We're a lethal combination. An ASU strikes fear in the heart of the Sun Belt, two ASU's back to back? You might as well just give up now.
RE: Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
(05-21-2017 05:43 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: Visiting this thread for the first time in a while and I must admit, some good rebuttals have been made since my original post. I agree that OOC performance and strength of schedule will be the main factor in the access bowl decision every year, so I retract part of my statement as I originally stated it. It is not a certainty that an SBC champ would lose out to an AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA champ, but it is still quite likely.
Historical perceptions of conferences do still exist, and those perceptions will play a part in who gets the access bowl nod every year. Unless there's undeniable evidence that an SBC champ's OOC performance and SOS was far superior to other G5 conference champs, the SBC champ will lose out, even to a CUSA champ. To think that politics won't make their way into a selection process that the NCAA is involved in is naive. Until I'm proven wrong, I'll believe that the perception of the G5 pecking order is just like I stated it is.
Troy broke the Top 25 ranking barrier last year, so there's no denying that the SBC has improved, but there's also no denying that Troy is the first SBC team to EVER be ranked, period, and it lasted all of one or two weeks. That's where conference perception comes in, at least on a national scale it does.
It is quite easy for the committee to judge SOS and OOC as these are just facts and numbers. They are also not casual fans with decade old outdated perceptions of the conferences. I am pretty sure they are well aware of the CUSA nose dive that has taken place. We are also dropping two teams that have historically pulled down the conference not helped it soon. Out of the last five years the Sun Belt has a rankings advantage of 3-2 over CUSA according to most rankings, so I dont know how the committee is going to have some grand opinion of CUSA vs the Sun Belt. Two of the five CUSA rankings has been dead last in the FBS and last year second to last according to the only historic rankings I could find.
A lot hinges on how CCU does as both GS and GSU will not be programs that pull the conference down for long stretches, to much talent in GA to put up with poor results. Also TXST will not remain this bad either. ULM and CCU are the only teams at the moment I worry about long term for different reasons.
As far as politics does CUSA, MW, or MAC have more pull? How? Every G5 team has former coaches and administrators all over college football. I would imagine the AAC is the only G5 that has pull due to ratings and attendance probably being better than all other G5's.
(This post was last modified: 05-22-2017 04:29 PM by JCGSU.)
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Does the Sun Belt have an Access Bowl Contender?
