Anything or anyone that implies Kansas has the best Home Field Advantage in the Big 12 is immediately unqualified to comment on that topic any further.
Agreed
The fbschedules article uses a flawed analogy when comparing home-field advantages. You can't, for example, say we suck at home but suck far worse on the road so therefore we have a great home-field advantage. The measuring stick has to be how hard it is for a visitor to come out of your stadium with a win. The only other metric would be quality of opponent. That would take a ton of number crunching.
You can't say UConn with a 62% win ratio at home over the last 10 years has a better home-field than Cinci at 82%. That's just nuts. What she is calculating is not the definition of home-field advantage.
Everyone knows Virginia has the best home-field advantage in the ACC. Right?
I think there is a difference between winning % and having an intimidating place to play. Stadium build, crowd and noise can make a stadium tough to play in even if the home team doesn't win. Put it this way: if its a tie game late in the 4th quarter and its a packed stadium where is the toughest place to win on the road. Which stadium makes it toughest for the road team even if the road team wins. That's what I think home field advantage is. Its how much of an advantage does the home field provide. The greatest home field advantage in the world cant make a terrible team beat a great team but to what degree does the best home field advantage help that terrible team.
(This post was last modified: 06-16-2017 10:30 AM by zfred12.)
Navy only plays 5 games a year in Navy Marine Corps Stadium. Currently they play 4 AAC game every year, Air Force every other year and a FCS team from the Patriot League the year they do not play Air Force at home. The home game with ND is always played at a neutral site. The Army Navy game is always played at a neutral site with the home team alternating. Paul Johnson arrived in 2002. Navy lost all home games that year. In 2003, Navy broke a 14 game losing streak at Navy Marine Corps Stadium by beating VMI in the opener. They have won consistently at Navy Marine Corps ever since.
(06-16-2017 06:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: ECU has 50,000 pirates and an intimidating home fiel atmosphere.
Navy has averaged 66 points per game there in three games over seven seasons.
So how much of that is attributed to just playing against ecu? Like I said playing at home in front of a big crowd doesn't make a bad team good.
Funny, fred calling out ECU as a bad team when ECU is 10-5 over ucf, has a winning record against 9 AAC teams compared to 4 for ucf, finished AP top 10 when ucf was playing Division III, and hasn't had an 0-fer season this century, much less 2.
BTW, Navy is 48-30-1 vs. the AAC. Only Tulane and Houston have winning records against them by a total of 3 games. Maybe you'll find out Oct. 21 when ucf meets Navy for the first time in Annapolis.
(06-16-2017 06:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: ECU has 50,000 pirates and an intimidating home fiel atmosphere.
Navy has averaged 66 points per game there in three games over seven seasons.
So how much of that is attributed to just playing against ecu? Like I said playing at home in front of a big crowd doesn't make a bad team good.
Funny, fred calling out ECU as a bad team when ECU is 10-5 over ucf, has a winning record against 9 AAC teams compared to 4 for ucf, finished AP top 10 when ucf was playing Division III, and hasn't had an 0-fer season this century, much less 2.
BTW, Navy is 48-30-1 vs. the AAC. Only Tulane and Houston have winning records against them by a total of 3 games. Maybe you'll find out Oct. 21 when ucf meets Navy for the first time in Annapolis.
(06-16-2017 05:09 PM)kmst19a Wrote: Navy only plays 5 games a year in Navy Marine Corps Stadium. Currently they play 4 AAC game every year, Air Force every other year and a FCS team from the Patriot League the year they do not play Air Force at home. The home game with ND is always played at a neutral site. The Army Navy game is always played at a neutral site with the home team alternating. Paul Johnson arrived in 2002. Navy lost all home games that year. In 2003, Navy broke a 14 game losing streak at Navy Marine Corps Stadium by beating VMI in the opener. They have won consistently at Navy Marine Corps ever since.
Maybe it's out of respect for the institution, but Navy gets consistent advantage from the officials/refs at home. Saw it game after game against AAC opponents at Annapolis. Also, I don't think our AAC official crews see the Navy OL blocking techniques often enough to see the chop blocking (ACC had the same issues with GT for several years but they are now better educated & it has affected the GT run game). This adds significantly to home field advantage.
(06-16-2017 05:09 PM)kmst19a Wrote: Navy only plays 5 games a year in Navy Marine Corps Stadium. Currently they play 4 AAC game every year, Air Force every other year and a FCS team from the Patriot League the year they do not play Air Force at home. The home game with ND is always played at a neutral site. The Army Navy game is always played at a neutral site with the home team alternating. Paul Johnson arrived in 2002. Navy lost all home games that year. In 2003, Navy broke a 14 game losing streak at Navy Marine Corps Stadium by beating VMI in the opener. They have won consistently at Navy Marine Corps ever since.
Maybe it's out of respect for the institution, but Navy gets consistent advantage from the officials/refs at home. Saw it game after game against AAC opponents at Annapolis. Also, I don't think our AAC official crews see the Navy OL blocking techniques often enough to see the chop blocking (ACC had the same issues with GT for several years but they are now better educated & it has affected the GT run game). This adds significantly to home field advantage.
I would agree that Navy gets help from the refs at home.
(06-16-2017 06:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: ECU has 50,000 pirates and an intimidating home fiel atmosphere.
Navy has averaged 66 points per game there in three games over seven seasons.
So how much of that is attributed to just playing against ecu? Like I said playing at home in front of a big crowd doesn't make a bad team good.
Funny, fred calling out ECU as a bad team when ECU is 10-5 over ucf, has a winning record against 9 AAC teams compared to 4 for ucf, finished AP top 10 when ucf was playing Division III, and hasn't had an 0-fer season this century, much less 2.
BTW, Navy is 48-30-1 vs. the AAC. Only Tulane and Houston have winning records against them by a total of 3 games. Maybe you'll find out Oct. 21 when ucf meets Navy for the first time in Annapolis.
(06-16-2017 06:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: ECU has 50,000 pirates and an intimidating home fiel atmosphere.
Navy has averaged 66 points per game there in three games over seven seasons.
So how much of that is attributed to just playing against ecu? Like I said playing at home in front of a big crowd doesn't make a bad team good.
Funny, fred calling out ECU as a bad team when ECU is 10-5 over ucf, has a winning record against 9 AAC teams compared to 4 for ucf, finished AP top 10 when ucf was playing Division III, and hasn't had an 0-fer season this century, much less 2.
BTW, Navy is 48-30-1 vs. the AAC. Only Tulane and Houston have winning records against them by a total of 3 games. Maybe you'll find out Oct. 21 when ucf meets Navy for the first time in Annapolis.
(06-16-2017 08:14 PM)zfred12 Wrote: So how much of that is attributed to just playing against ecu? Like I said playing at home in front of a big crowd doesn't make a bad team good.
Funny, fred calling out ECU as a bad team when ECU is 10-5 over ucf, has a winning record against 9 AAC teams compared to 4 for ucf, finished AP top 10 when ucf was playing Division III, and hasn't had an 0-fer season this century, much less 2.
BTW, Navy is 48-30-1 vs. the AAC. Only Tulane and Houston have winning records against them by a total of 3 games. Maybe you'll find out Oct. 21 when ucf meets Navy for the first time in Annapolis.
So then, are you saying it's not better that ECU has a better record overall against ucf and our conference mates, or it's better going winless recently? wiktionary.org
(06-17-2017 03:07 AM)mikeinoki Wrote: Funny, fred calling out ECU as a bad team when ECU is 10-5 over ucf, has a winning record against 9 AAC teams compared to 4 for ucf, finished AP top 10 when ucf was playing Division III, and hasn't had an 0-fer season this century, much less 2.
BTW, Navy is 48-30-1 vs. the AAC. Only Tulane and Houston have winning records against them by a total of 3 games. Maybe you'll find out Oct. 21 when ucf meets Navy for the first time in Annapolis.
So then, are you saying it's not better that ECU has a better record overall against ucf and our conference mates, or it's better going winless recently? wiktionary.org
Actually, I'm looking forward to Sunday, Oct. 15.
It's better going winless, by far, because it came with a Fiesta bowl and several conference championships.
Oh and UCF has won 3 of the last 4 meetings with ECU. 4 of the last 6.
But keep holding onto your history. If ECU keeps their current trajectory, even that will be gone soon enough
So then, are you saying it's not better that ECU has a better record overall against ucf and our conference mates, or it's better going winless recently? wiktionary.org
Actually, I'm looking forward to Sunday, Oct. 15.
It's better going winless, by far, because it came with a Fiesta bowl and several conference championships.
Oh and UCF has won 3 of the last 4 meetings with ECU. 4 of the last 6.
But keep holding onto your history. If ECU keeps their current trajectory, even that will be gone soon enough
So then, are you saying it's not better that ECU has a better record overall against ucf and our conference mates, or it's better going winless recently? wiktionary.org
Actually, I'm looking forward to Sunday, Oct. 15.
It's better going winless, by far, because it came with a Fiesta bowl and several conference championships.
Oh and UCF has won 3 of the last 4 meetings with ECU. 4 of the last 6.
But keep holding onto your history. If ECU keeps their current trajectory, even that will be gone soon enough
And I think 3 of the ecu wins are from our D2 days. That being said I like ecu in the conference. I'm cool with anyone in the aac that can average over 30k.
So then, are you saying it's not better that ECU has a better record overall against ucf and our conference mates, or it's better going winless recently? wiktionary.org
Actually, I'm looking forward to Sunday, Oct. 15.
It's better going winless, by far, because it came with a Fiesta bowl and several conference championships.
Oh and UCF has won 3 of the last 4 meetings with ECU. 4 of the last 6.
But keep holding onto your history. If ECU keeps their current trajectory, even that will be gone soon enough
And I think 3 of the ecu wins are from our D2 days. That being said I like ecu in the conference. I'm cool with anyone in the aac that can average over 30k.
Same here for UCF. Plus it's fun shaking Kruciff's chain.
(06-16-2017 05:09 PM)kmst19a Wrote: Navy only plays 5 games a year in Navy Marine Corps Stadium. Currently they play 4 AAC game every year, Air Force every other year and a FCS team from the Patriot League the year they do not play Air Force at home. The home game with ND is always played at a neutral site. The Army Navy game is always played at a neutral site with the home team alternating. Paul Johnson arrived in 2002. Navy lost all home games that year. In 2003, Navy broke a 14 game losing streak at Navy Marine Corps Stadium by beating VMI in the opener. They have won consistently at Navy Marine Corps ever since.
Maybe it's out of respect for the institution, but Navy gets consistent advantage from the officials/refs at home. Saw it game after game against AAC opponents at Annapolis. Also, I don't think our AAC official crews see the Navy OL blocking techniques often enough to see the chop blocking (ACC had the same issues with GT for several years but they are now better educated & it has affected the GT run game). This adds significantly to home field advantage.
When Navy was an Independent, it used ACC refs. Navy played Tulane, SMU, and ECU almost every year prior to joining the AAC. The AAC refs had ample opportunity to see Navy play. Usually refs for OOC games come from the visiting team's conference. Navy has never had any home refs prior to joining the AAC.
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