(05-15-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Probably not much this was CBU's only shot at D1 and they took it.

Hurd has a negotiating skill that helps incoming schools and not the conference.

(05-15-2017 04:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Probably not much this was CBU's only shot at D1 and they took it.

Hurd has a negotiating skill that helps incoming schools and not the conference.

Didn't CBU say to expect a big athletics announcement some time this week, too? I will take a guess and say the WAC will vote to make CBU immediately eligible to participate in all conference tournaments when the join in 2018-19. It was an option with GCU, too, but didn't have support from enough WAC members. I say the re-write the rules on it and let the Lancers in.

(05-15-2017 05:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Probably not much this was CBU's only shot at D1 and they took it.

Hurd has a negotiating skill that helps incoming schools and not the conference.

Didn't CBU say to expect a big athletics announcement some time this week, too? I will take a guess and say the WAC will vote to make CBU immediately eligible to participate in all conference tournaments when the join in 2018-19. It was an option with GCU, too, but didn't have support from enough WAC members. I say the re-write the rules on it and let the Lancers in.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it would also be really hypocritical of me to oppose it because I have been wanting GCU to be in it the last couple of years.

I honestly didn't even know that was possible. What is one year CBU wins the WAC regular season and conference tournament? What would happen?

(05-15-2017 05:04 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I honestly didn't even know that was possible. What is one year CBU wins the WAC regular season and conference tournament? What would happen?

Second place in the conference tourney goes.

(05-15-2017 05:07 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:04 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I honestly didn't even know that was possible. What is one year CBU wins the WAC regular season and conference tournament? What would happen?

Second place in the conference tourney goes.

This was discussed back on the Scout board several years ago. The NCAA made it sound like if GCU had won a WAC tourney, no team from the WAC would have gone to the NCAA in their stead. Same for the NIT and the regular season champion. That was the reasoning for not allowing GCU to participate in WAC Tournaments.

(05-15-2017 05:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:07 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:04 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I honestly didn't even know that was possible. What is one year CBU wins the WAC regular season and conference tournament? What would happen?

Second place in the conference tourney goes.

This was discussed back on the Scout board several years ago. The NCAA made it sound like if GCU had won a WAC tourney, no team from the WAC would have gone to the NCAA in their stead. Same for the NIT and the regular season champion. That was the reasoning for not allowing GCU to participate in WAC Tournaments.

That's weird because I remember during the 2015-2016 season the Atlantic Sun had someone ineligible in the championship game and I remember the ESPN broadcasters say that regardless of who won, the tourney eligible team would be headed to the tourney.

At least a couple conferences have had NCAA tournament ineligible teams play in the conference tournament.. most recently the SWAC I believe. The truly eligible team in the championship game advanced on in that instance.

(05-15-2017 05:36 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:07 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:04 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I honestly didn't even know that was possible. What is one year CBU wins the WAC regular season and conference tournament? What would happen?

Second place in the conference tourney goes.

This was discussed back on the Scout board several years ago. The NCAA made it sound like if GCU had won a WAC tourney, no team from the WAC would have gone to the NCAA in their stead. Same for the NIT and the regular season champion. That was the reasoning for not allowing GCU to participate in WAC Tournaments.

That's weird because I remember during the 2015-2016 season the Atlantic Sun had someone ineligible in the championship game and I remember the ESPN broadcasters say that regardless of who won, the tourney eligible team would be headed to the tourney.

Stetson when they made their run! Damn team knocked off NJIT in the Highlander's opening game I think. In the ASUN, it would've been the conference champion to avance on had Stetson won.

(05-15-2017 05:36 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  At least a couple conferences have had NCAA tournament ineligible teams play in the conference tournament.. most recently the SWAC I believe. The truly eligible team in the championship game advanced on in that instance.

Different circumstances, not a D2 move up that is transitioning.

Actually, Northern Kentucky played in both the A-Sun (2014-15) and Horizon (2015-16) basketball tournaments before being fully transitioned and eligible for NCAA/NIT bids. I thought participation in conference championships was at the conference members' discretion, which I suppose is possible either way. It's just hard for me to imagine ASun & Horizon would risk their bids, if it was true they'd lose them should WKU have won.

From my understanding, it is conferences discretion who participates. I would figure the NCAA must be involved somewhere in the process though. Perhaps if it was mentioned about GCU, then that can be dug up.

Gl-- I remember NKU playing in the Horizon league tournament in 2016.

(05-15-2017 04:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:25 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  UMKC still has to host it twice, at least that is what Hurd promised them.

For basketball??

Yep, that was part of the agreement to get them to join.

That is what happens when a conference was desperate.

Yah, I remember the rumor. LOL!

(05-15-2017 05:03 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Probably not much this was CBU's only shot at D1 and they took it.

Hurd has a negotiating skill that helps incoming schools and not the conference.

Didn't CBU say to expect a big athletics announcement some time this week, too? I will take a guess and say the WAC will vote to make CBU immediately eligible to participate in all conference tournaments when the join in 2018-19. It was an option with GCU, too, but didn't have support from enough WAC members. I say the re-write the rules on it and let the Lancers in.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it would also be really hypocritical of me to oppose it because I have been wanting GCU to be in it the last couple of years.

I personally would have an issue, being that GCU wasn't afforded the opportunity. It really should be a conference POLICY that could be overriden with a certain percentage of members IF extenuating circumstances arose.

(05-15-2017 07:01 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  From my understanding, it is conferences discretion who participates. I would figure the NCAA must be involved somewhere in the process though. Perhaps if it was mentioned about GCU, then that can be dug up.

Gl-- I remember NKU playing in the Horizon league tournament in 2016.

It is up to the conferences. But at the time when GCU began its transition it was 4 years ago. My understanding was that things were hinted at by the NCAA. We may or may not let a WAC school in the tournament kind of thing. Also for schools like CSUB, SU and UVU they did not want the possibility of another hurdle in their way. Especially after they went through there transitions.

GCU has finished its transitional period. I think CBU needs to go through it as well with the same limits put on them. It helps schools earn some respect IMO.

(05-15-2017 07:10 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:01 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  From my understanding, it is conferences discretion who participates. I would figure the NCAA must be involved somewhere in the process though. Perhaps if it was mentioned about GCU, then that can be dug up.

Gl-- I remember NKU playing in the Horizon league tournament in 2016.

It is up to the conferences. But at the time when GCU began its transition it was 4 years ago. My understanding was that things were hinted at by the NCAA. We may or may not let a WAC school in the tournament kind of thing. Also for schools like CSUB, SU and UVU they did not want the possibility of another hurdle in their way. Especially after they went through there transitions.

GCU has finished its transitional period. I think CBU needs to go through it as well with the same limits put on them. It helps schools earn some respect IMO.

Gotcha CP. Thanks.

Agreed that CBU shouldn't be allowed to compete in the conference tournaments until transitional period is over. Let them go through the course as others have.

(05-15-2017 07:09 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:03 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Probably not much this was CBU's only shot at D1 and they took it.

Hurd has a negotiating skill that helps incoming schools and not the conference.

Didn't CBU say to expect a big athletics announcement some time this week, too? I will take a guess and say the WAC will vote to make CBU immediately eligible to participate in all conference tournaments when the join in 2018-19. It was an option with GCU, too, but didn't have support from enough WAC members. I say the re-write the rules on it and let the Lancers in.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it would also be really hypocritical of me to oppose it because I have been wanting GCU to be in it the last couple of years.

I personally would have an issue, being that GCU wasn't afforded the opportunity. It really should be a conference POLICY that could be overriden with a certain percentage of members IF extenuating circumstances arose.

It looks like NKU was not eligible for the ASun tourney during the first 2 seasons of transition, as they didn't play in it until Year 3. Even something like that modified conference tourney eligibility timetable would be a step in the right direction for the WAC. Stonewalling CBU "because everyone else had to wait 4 years, too" isn't very original or progressive thinking.

If CBU can meet agreed upon academic, facilities, attendance, and performance benchmarks determined in advance by WAC members, I say let them play early. If GCU is the last school that has to wait a full 4 years to compete in WAC tourneys, I'd chalk it up as progress and take pride in the fact that GCU's successes during transition probably made it possible.

(05-16-2017 12:05 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:09 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:03 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Hurd has a negotiating skill that helps incoming schools and not the conference.

Didn't CBU say to expect a big athletics announcement some time this week, too? I will take a guess and say the WAC will vote to make CBU immediately eligible to participate in all conference tournaments when the join in 2018-19. It was an option with GCU, too, but didn't have support from enough WAC members. I say the re-write the rules on it and let the Lancers in.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it would also be really hypocritical of me to oppose it because I have been wanting GCU to be in it the last couple of years.

I personally would have an issue, being that GCU wasn't afforded the opportunity. It really should be a conference POLICY that could be overriden with a certain percentage of members IF extenuating circumstances arose.

It looks like NKU was not eligible for the ASun tourney during the first 2 seasons of transition, as they didn't play in it until Year 3. Even something like that modified conference tourney eligibility timetable would be a step in the right direction for the WAC. Stonewalling CBU "because everyone else had to wait 4 years, too" isn't very original or progressive thinking.

If CBU can meet agreed upon academic, facilities, attendance, and performance benchmarks determined in advance by WAC members, I say let them play early. If GCU is the last school that has to wait a full 4 years to compete in WAC tourneys, I'd chalk it up as progress and take pride in the fact that GCU's successes during transition probably made it possible.

Ok so why technically does the NCAA make schools go through a 4 year transition? I'm not an expert, but I know some has to do with satisfaction of funding scholarships, programs, school compliance, etc. (A buddy of mine who works at CSUB told me back when, how many positions they had to hire such as SA support, tutoring, etc)
However, I also understand and believe it is for the school to go through a culture change. Also, how would athletes/fans feel who loose to an NCAA ineligible transitional team in a conference tourney, and it costs the eligible school a spot in the NCAAs? Not cool, IMO. Then too, the transition team that wins in conference is pissed as they can't go either. IOW, I think its very progressive for all to make them follow the course laid out.

Link to CSUB's transition page just FYI who cares to browse it

It's so schools don't move up really struggle in the first years and move back down again.

(05-16-2017 12:35 AM)Clarity Wrote:  It's so schools don't move up really struggle in the first years and move back down again.

I think we'd all be a little naive if we didn't realize or admit it was, at lest in part, related to revenues, too. Maybe that is what you mean by "struggle". I think there is some element of "prove you can pay your own way before we cut you in on this big, delicious $$$ pie" to all this. Giving them a ace at the table means more mouths to feed come payout time, which means everyone gets a little less. And let's be honest: Who really wants less momey?