(05-14-2017 06:47 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  We just need some patience. I'm not going to freak out over one bad season. If it continues then I will be concerned.

Absolutely!

(05-14-2017 06:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 06:47 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  We just need some patience. I'm not going to freak out over one bad season. If it continues then I will be concerned.

The problem with that statement is it is not about "one bad season". There are so many red flags waving now it should be very concerning. At this pointt here really is nothing solid anyone can point to and say "hey, but look at what he is doing here". In every aspect of his job he so far been less than average. The only hope we are hearing are people saying have hope, be patient, let's see. None of that fills most people with any confidence. When you look at a message board or call-in radio shows you are hearing people who are really invested in the program. If you just take a stroll around Memphis and talk to casual fans and ask them their opinions, they really don't care and have no faith at all in the current coaching staff. That is a real issue that this coaching staff doesn't care about at all.

(05-14-2017 06:58 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  People can be any way they want about this situation. He's already given me reason for concern...just the things he has done here.

(05-14-2017 08:31 PM)jamammy Wrote:  At this point, Tubby has his guys.

He's needs to coach them up so that we can be that "really good team" he described.

Nothing left to do but let it play out.

Let's hope we stick to "Ten Loss" Tubby and don't become "Ten Win" Tubby.

Right on, Jamammy!

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(05-14-2017 08:32 PM)karter25 Wrote:  From what I see, this forum is filled with wanna be coaches, athletic directors, school presidents and board of regent members.

(05-14-2017 10:11 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I saw some good coaching..and some not so good coaching

If the Lawsons quit on him, why did he keep starting them game after game?

Why did we continually pass the ball around till the last second?

I don't think the players were the only people involved in our collapse. Looked to me that Tubby ran outta steam in the last part of the season too.

I'm just looking at what we saw happen last season. I know that we are now blaming the Lawsons and their dad, but that's not working for me.. yet.

(05-14-2017 09:09 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  We are all good at everything on this board. Except spelling. And grammar. Pretty spotty on those most of the time. But experts in all other regards.

The punctuation and sentence structure in this post is below junior high level.

Just as one does not need be an CEO to understand indicators of a company in distress (e.g., declining marketshare, weak earnings, low ROA) so too one does not need to be a coach to understand indicators of a team in trouble.

The indicators (to date) for Memphis next season are unfavorable:
1. Lack of experience at the D-1 level.
2. Lack of experience playing with each other which negates "chemistry" (assuming it ever develops),
3. Lack of outside shooting - among the worse in the nation last year and we lost our best three point shooter to transfer and no incoming player is a known good three point shooter,
4. Medicore talent,
5. Lack of time for player development (e.g., S&C - assuming Tubby has one in place),
6. A coach unable to control and nurture players as evident by the high transfer rate and crushing year ending defeats.

(05-15-2017 07:25 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Just as one does not need be an CEO to understand indicators of a company in distress (e.g., declining marketshare, weak earnings, low ROA) so too one does not need to be a coach to understand indicators of a team in trouble.

The indicators (to date) for Memphis next season are unfavorable:
1. Lack of experience at the D-1 level.
2. Lack of experience playing with each other which negates "chemistry" (assuming it ever develops),
3. Lack of outside shooting - among the worse in the nation last year and we lost our best three point shooter to transfer and no incoming player is a known good three point shooter,
4. Medicore talent,
5. Lack of time for player development (e.g., S&C - assuming Tubby has one in place),
6. A coach unable to control and nurture players as evident by the high transfer rate and crushing year ending defeats.

Dude, do you ever give it a rest?

(05-15-2017 07:33 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:25 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Just as one does not need be an CEO to understand indicators of a company in distress (e.g., declining marketshare, weak earnings, low ROA) so too one does not need to be a coach to understand indicators of a team in trouble.

The indicators (to date) for Memphis next season are unfavorable:
1. Lack of experience at the D-1 level.
2. Lack of experience playing with each other which negates "chemistry" (assuming it ever develops),
3. Lack of outside shooting - among the worse in the nation last year and we lost our best three point shooter to transfer and no incoming player is a known good three point shooter,
4. Medicore talent,
5. Lack of time for player development (e.g., S&C - assuming Tubby has one in place),
6. A coach unable to control and nurture players as evident by the high transfer rate and crushing year ending defeats.

Dude, do you ever give it a rest?

I welcome your input on indicators showing we will be a "very good team" like Tubby stated. Good Tiger fans can disagree without being disagreeable.

(05-15-2017 07:33 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Dude, do you ever give it a rest?

Dude, do you ever NOT comment on a post? Maybe you are the one that should give it a rest.

(05-15-2017 07:49 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:33 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Dude, do you ever give it a rest?

Dude, do you ever NOT comment on a post? Maybe you are the one that should give it a rest.

It is ok to discuss the favorable indicators for Tiger football, but discussion of unfavorable indicators (which have not been refuted BTW) are forbidden by some. Good Tiger fans should feel free to ignore signs of a rough season. Other good Tiger fans like me - realists - should also be allowed a voice, IMO, without censure.

(05-14-2017 05:54 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  Also, anyone that knows coaching knows that Tubby Smith is not the type of coach that is going to be a one-year-fix. He is generally a coach that comes in when a program is in the rubble and rebuilds the program. In pretty much every job he's had, he has left the program in a much better position than when he arrived.

While the players leaving at Memphis are concerning, the Tigers have the perfect coach that will be able to rebuild this team in his image. And the Tigers will be a NCAA Tournament team by the time that he leaves. To expect him to be an immediate program changer was asinine on Memphis fan's part. But give him a few years and the man will turn Memphis into a solid program again.

Tubby's best years at Minnesota and Texas Tech happened when he had a combination of his players and inherited players. When he has to depend on his players alone, the results aren't very good, and obviously his ceiling is very very low.

The problem here is that he hasn't hung on to any of Pastner's players and he has recruited at his usual poor level, AND since he relied so much on jucos, there will be a fresh rebuild with 68 year old Tubby in 2 years.

Friendly request here--

Let's try to avoid starting daily or twice-daily threads on basically the same topic.

When one user finds a different way to say the same thing each day, it should probably go in ONE thread, not a series of new ones.

Thanks!

(05-15-2017 06:37 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 09:09 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  We are all good at everything on this board. Except spelling. And grammar. Pretty spotty on those most of the time. But experts in all other regards.

The punctuation and sentence structure in this post is below junior high level.

Tubby's fault

(05-15-2017 08:08 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:54 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  Also, anyone that knows coaching knows that Tubby Smith is not the type of coach that is going to be a one-year-fix. He is generally a coach that comes in when a program is in the rubble and rebuilds the program. In pretty much every job he's had, he has left the program in a much better position than when he arrived.

While the players leaving at Memphis are concerning, the Tigers have the perfect coach that will be able to rebuild this team in his image. And the Tigers will be a NCAA Tournament team by the time that he leaves. To expect him to be an immediate program changer was asinine on Memphis fan's part. But give him a few years and the man will turn Memphis into a solid program again.

Tubby's best years at Minnesota and Texas Tech happened when he had a combination of his players and inherited players. When he has to depend on his players alone, the results aren't very good, and obviously his ceiling is very very low.

The problem here is that he hasn't hung on to any of Pastner's players and he has recruited at his usual poor level, AND since he relied so much on jucos, there will be a fresh rebuild with 68 year old Tubby in 2 years.

This is what I'm worried about. Everyone keeps saying that Tubby's system (and the state of the program that he inherited) requires a complete rebuild spanning multiple years. Year one was a complete waste, as he recruited little and let just about everyone leave at the end of the season. So, he's essentially hitting the 'reset' button now at the age of 66 with mostly Jucos. He'll be 70 before we're relevant again.

I guess Saul will slide right into that HC position at that time, right?

(05-15-2017 08:15 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 06:37 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 09:09 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  We are all good at everything on this board. Except spelling. And grammar. Pretty spotty on those most of the time. But experts in all other regards.

The punctuation and sentence structure in this post is below junior high level.

Tubby's fault

That sums it up nicely.

I'm 60 years old and I'd like to think that Id know coaching if I saw it.

(05-15-2017 09:23 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  I'm 60 years old and I'd like to think that Id know coaching if I saw it.

The results spoke loudest of all.

Anytime you make a dip into the record books that have stood for 70 years, you probably need to look at the whole picture.

It's also a habit of mine to pay close attention to the reactions of all those who helped to achieve those results, including where they point the finger.

Looks like it's on us now--the finger, I mean

We need BRUCE PEARL up in here