(05-14-2017 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  NCAA ineligeble
NCAA 2nd round
NCAA 1st
NIT 1st
NIT 2nd
NCAA Elite 8
NCAA 1st
----
NCAA Sweet 16
NCAA 1st
NIT 1st
Fired.

That was Larry Finch, can Tubby match it?

I don't think he can match NCAA 1st.

(05-14-2017 06:35 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:11 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  NCAA ineligeble
NCAA 2nd round
NCAA 1st
NIT 1st
NIT 2nd
NCAA Elite 8
NCAA 1st
----
NCAA Sweet 16
NCAA 1st
NIT 1st
Fired.

That was Larry Finch, can Tubby match it?

y'all would have run off Larry after going 18-12 and 17-15...no Elite Eight or Sweet 16

They did run him off midway through the 1996-97 season. One year after being in the top 5 in the early season. You must be a young whippersnapper?

I sat 10' from the bench at the Wisconsin game at Ottawa in 1996, and Larry was done. He was barely running the team, barely saying anything above a whisper during timeouts.

Nobody would hire him because he was ill.

(05-14-2017 01:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 10:43 AM)Tiger65 Wrote:  In two years a #5 class is gone. Tubby's is wiser than the nay say posters on this board. Read as follows:

JaQuan Lyle
With Lyle's decision to quit the team, there are no remaining members of Ohio State's five-man 2015 recruiting class, which was ranked No. 1 in the Big Ten and fifth nationally, according to 247Sports' composite rankings. JaQuan Lyle is a former four-star, top-50 recruit.

Lots of bandwagon fans here that can't see the program beyond Calipari's years & despite their denials will not be able to be real fans of the program unless Calipari level success is the routine. Memphis is a top 25-30 program, not the top program in the country & although real fans have hopes we win the national title every year, we don't denigrate the program & everything about it endlessly when we don't. Just remember if we are a top 25 program on average over the last 70 years, it means (for those who love to quote stats) we will have periods that are not top 25 & years when we exceed our avg. Point is, I'm a Memphis fan in the good years & the bad. I've been a season ticket holder for many years in FB & BB - and as such, find the constant criticism of the program & the administration not an attribute becoming of real fans. Sure, I'm critical at times & I have communicated that to the university presidents, the ADs & the head coaches (FB & BB). I am confident that such an approach is much more productive & less detrimental to the Memphis athletic programs than a constant barrage of public criticism on forums such as this. If you want recruits to come to our program, encourage them & promote the program. If not, just keep up the constant criticism.

Best post ever!!
I'm so over superficial, phony fans. This board has become nothing more than a magnet for the miserables to spew repetitive negativity. It's BORING! I'd rather spend time watching paint dry than to read this pathetic crap over and over again.

(05-15-2017 02:49 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 10:43 AM)Tiger65 Wrote:  In two years a #5 class is gone. Tubby's is wiser than the nay say posters on this board. Read as follows:

JaQuan Lyle
With Lyle's decision to quit the team, there are no remaining members of Ohio State's five-man 2015 recruiting class, which was ranked No. 1 in the Big Ten and fifth nationally, according to 247Sports' composite rankings. JaQuan Lyle is a former four-star, top-50 recruit.

Lots of bandwagon fans here that can't see the program beyond Calipari's years & despite their denials will not be able to be real fans of the program unless Calipari level success is the routine. Memphis is a top 25-30 program, not the top program in the country & although real fans have hopes we win the national title every year, we don't denigrate the program & everything about it endlessly when we don't. Just remember if we are a top 25 program on average over the last 70 years, it means (for those who love to quote stats) we will have periods that are not top 25 & years when we exceed our avg. Point is, I'm a Memphis fan in the good years & the bad. I've been a season ticket holder for many years in FB & BB - and as such, find the constant criticism of the program & the administration not an attribute becoming of real fans. Sure, I'm critical at times & I have communicated that to the university presidents, the ADs & the head coaches (FB & BB). I am confident that such an approach is much more productive & less detrimental to the Memphis athletic programs than a constant barrage of public criticism on forums such as this. If you want recruits to come to our program, encourage them & promote the program. If not, just keep up the constant criticism.

Best post ever!!
I'm so over superficial, phony fans. This board has become nothing more than a magnet for the miserables to spew repetitive negativity. It's BORING! I'd rather spend time watching paint dry than to read this pathetic crap over and over again.

1200 posts in 3 months? way to come in and tell everybody how to act as fans.

(05-14-2017 01:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 10:43 AM)Tiger65 Wrote:  In two years a #5 class is gone. Tubby's is wiser than the nay say posters on this board. Read as follows:

JaQuan Lyle
With Lyle's decision to quit the team, there are no remaining members of Ohio State's five-man 2015 recruiting class, which was ranked No. 1 in the Big Ten and fifth nationally, according to 247Sports' composite rankings. JaQuan Lyle is a former four-star, top-50 recruit.

Lots of bandwagon fans here that can't see the program beyond Calipari's years & despite their denials will not be able to be real fans of the program unless Calipari level success is the routine. Memphis is a top 25-30 program, not the top program in the country & although real fans have hopes we win the national title every year, we don't denigrate the program & everything about it endlessly when we don't. Just remember if we are a top 25 program on average over the last 70 years, it means (for those who love to quote stats) we will have periods that are not top 25 & years when we exceed our avg. Point is, I'm a Memphis fan in the good years & the bad. I've been a season ticket holder for many years in FB & BB - and as such, find the constant criticism of the program & the administration not an attribute becoming of real fans. Sure, I'm critical at times & I have communicated that to the university presidents, the ADs & the head coaches (FB & BB). I am confident that such an approach is much more productive & less detrimental to the Memphis athletic programs than a constant barrage of public criticism on forums such as this. If you want recruits to come to our program, encourage them & promote the program. If not, just keep up the constant criticism.

(05-15-2017 02:49 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 10:43 AM)Tiger65 Wrote:  In two years a #5 class is gone. Tubby's is wiser than the nay say posters on this board. Read as follows:

JaQuan Lyle
With Lyle's decision to quit the team, there are no remaining members of Ohio State's five-man 2015 recruiting class, which was ranked No. 1 in the Big Ten and fifth nationally, according to 247Sports' composite rankings. JaQuan Lyle is a former four-star, top-50 recruit.

Lots of bandwagon fans here that can't see the program beyond Calipari's years & despite their denials will not be able to be real fans of the program unless Calipari level success is the routine. Memphis is a top 25-30 program, not the top program in the country & although real fans have hopes we win the national title every year, we don't denigrate the program & everything about it endlessly when we don't. Just remember if we are a top 25 program on average over the last 70 years, it means (for those who love to quote stats) we will have periods that are not top 25 & years when we exceed our avg. Point is, I'm a Memphis fan in the good years & the bad. I've been a season ticket holder for many years in FB & BB - and as such, find the constant criticism of the program & the administration not an attribute becoming of real fans. Sure, I'm critical at times & I have communicated that to the university presidents, the ADs & the head coaches (FB & BB). I am confident that such an approach is much more productive & less detrimental to the Memphis athletic programs than a constant barrage of public criticism on forums such as this. If you want recruits to come to our program, encourage them & promote the program. If not, just keep up the constant criticism.

Best post ever!!
I'm so over superficial, phony fans. This board has become nothing more than a magnet for the miserables to spew repetitive negativity. It's BORING! I'd rather spend time watching paint dry than to read this pathetic crap over and over again.

Well​ grab a brush and head to my house. Clap board siding needs a fresh coat.

(05-15-2017 01:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 06:35 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:11 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  NCAA ineligeble
NCAA 2nd round
NCAA 1st
NIT 1st
NIT 2nd
NCAA Elite 8
NCAA 1st
----
NCAA Sweet 16
NCAA 1st
NIT 1st
Fired.

That was Larry Finch, can Tubby match it?

y'all would have run off Larry after going 18-12 and 17-15...no Elite Eight or Sweet 16

They did run him off midway through the 1996-97 season. One year after being in the top 5 in the early season. You must be a young whippersnapper?

I sat 10' from the bench at the Wisconsin game at Ottawa in 1996, and Larry was done. He was barely running the team, barely saying anything above a whisper during timeouts.

Nobody would hire him because he was ill.

A bad diet caught up with him. He was only in his mid 40s when he was let go. Really sad.

Tubby definitely is wiser than anyone on this board. He got a 15 million dollar pension from us.

Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

I worry about you my friend. You seem to really be taking this hard.

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

Geez us h.

Worst post of the year candidate.

(05-15-2017 09:09 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

Geez us h.

Worst post of the year candidate.

It's his shtick...then he'll tell you he only says it because he cares.

Rinse and repeat daily.

Ad hominem attacks - the last refuge of those who have lost the debate. I find comfort that I am on the right track when on the receiving end.

Unless I suffer a moment of weakness, I strive never to respond in kind. I prefer a civil posting environment.

It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

(05-15-2017 09:48 AM)mairving Wrote:  It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

A good coach doesn't need a staff of recruiters...they get out there and do it themselves.

When Cal really wants a kid he doesn't send assts...he would go do it himself.

(05-15-2017 09:52 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:48 AM)mairving Wrote:  It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

A good coach doesn't need a staff of recruiters...they get out there and do it themselves.

When Cal really wants a kid he doesn't send assts...he would go do it himself.

Cal is the closer but he was sending Pastner, Kellogg, Barbee and WWW to do the legwork. Tubby is sending in Saul.

(05-15-2017 09:52 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:48 AM)mairving Wrote:  It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

A good coach doesn't need a staff of recruiters...they get out there and do it themselves.

When Cal really wants a kid he doesn't send assts...he would go do it himself.

You don't need a staff. You do need at least one. To clue you in on how it works. The assistant builds relationships with players, coaches, family, etc. Once that relationship is established the head coach can close the deal. Look at Cal's staff now. The assistant also keeps up with the player. He has 2 of the best recruiters around. So if he doesn't need them why does he have them.

(05-15-2017 09:58 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:52 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:48 AM)mairving Wrote:  It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

A good coach doesn't need a staff of recruiters...they get out there and do it themselves.

When Cal really wants a kid he doesn't send assts...he would go do it himself.

You don't need a staff. You do need at least one. To clue you in on how it works. The assistant builds relationships with players, coaches, family, etc. Once that relationship is established the head coach can close the deal. Look at Cal's staff now. The assistant also keeps up with the player. He has 2 of the best recruiters around. So if he doesn't need them why does he have them.

It's better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

If you were a recruit considering Memphis, would you be encouraged by what some of you so-called fans have to say about the coach & the school administration publicly on this forum? What about the recruits we do have already that are roundly criticized here as not measuring up? Does any of this acrimony communicated here toward the staff & admin help our basketball program?

(05-15-2017 10:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If you were a recruit considering Memphis, would you be encouraged by what some of you so-called fans have to say about the coach & the school administration publicly on this forum? What about the recruits we do have already that are roundly criticized here as not measuring up? Does any of this acrimony communicated here toward the staff & admin help our basketball program?

This should have all been factored in before the hire. As far as after the hire goes, all Tubby had to do was recruit two decent bigs and we would have been a good team last year, not get blasted by 71 points in the last two games, not have everyone transfer out, and recruit at a decent level this year. Oh, and after all that all he had to do was not publicly **** on the program like he did, and not hire a nothing like Saul.

To blame the media and the fanbase for reacting this way is ridiculous. If Tubby didn't fail at every one of the 6 things listed, his life would be much easier. And then on top of everything he is asking why there is panic? Of course there is panic when you pay someone $3 million and he hires Saul and mails it in.