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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(04-22-2018 01:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Bumping this as it’s almost May and Chicago St hasn’t hired a Men’s basketball HC, doesn’t appear to be looking for a coach and has lost many/most of its players/assistant coaches.
Will Chicago St have a team in 2018/19?

They lost a player that was leaving anyway and two recruits. I would not call it "most of the players." In their 2017-2018 fiscal budget request, the school requested the following:

"To meet our obligations as a member of the NCAA Division I and Western Athletic Conference, Chicago State University will need approximately $1,550,000 to provide adequate resources (i.e. personnel, travel, commodities) for sport programs. CSU must start a men’s soccer program and provide scholarships at cost of attendance for at least 3 sport programs."

This was during the Illinois State budget crisis. Once that ended, they got $23 million owed from the state for fiscal year 2016-2017 and their $35 million from the state for 2017-2018. The school is in the process of interviewing three candidates for University President and I read where they are interested in a couple of local prep coaches for the basketball head coach job. This does not sound like a school that is dropping athletics or closing their doors.

Chicago State has two major issues they need to fix:
1) The enrollment
2) the school athletic performance/RPI

I don't see how dropping sports helps either of those issues. In the 2017-2018 budget report, it was mentioned that "the current graduation rate of our student-athletes is 72% and 13 of the 14 sport programs have an Academic Progress Rate above 964 (NCAA minimum is 930)." So at least that seems to be working for the university. The athletic budget for 2016-2017 was only $5.1 million. That probably went up after the state budget crisis ended, but it is not a huge investment. The challenge for them is to try and find a way to be competitive in athletics on a small D1 athletic budget.

The school has been plagued by management issues. But I have not seen a politician go on record and say that Chicago State should be closed. The description of the campus is "161-picturesque acres in a residential community on the Southside of Chicago." The state of Illinois used state funds to build an on-campus arena for Chicago State at a cost of $38 million which opened in 2007. Given that type of investment and the location, I think they will be given plenty of time to fix their management issues.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
Its August 2nd and Chicago St hasn't hired a basketball coach. Every other Division 1 school (300 some plus) has a coach. A couple schools may have an interim coach, but as far as I know Chicago St is the only school with no basketball coach and school is about to be starting.
What's the skinny?
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(08-02-2018 05:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Its August 2nd and Chicago St hasn't hired a basketball coach. Every other Division 1 school (300 some plus) has a coach. A couple schools may have an interim coach, but as far as I know Chicago St is the only school with no basketball coach and school is about to be starting.
What's the skinny?

And they're looking for a PA announcer - if I lived closer to CSU or it weren't located in such a rough part of town I'd probably apply for the hell of it.

https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/at...1595031464
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(08-02-2018 05:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Its August 2nd and Chicago St hasn't hired a basketball coach. Every other Division 1 school (300 some plus) has a coach. A couple schools may have an interim coach, but as far as I know Chicago St is the only school with no basketball coach and school is about to be starting.
What's the skinny?

Hosting UIC, EIU, & SIUE. Most home D1 OOC games (3) in 5 years. Chris Zorich is making moves but he’ll take his time on the hire to get it right. Not much difference between hiring a coach in June or August.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?
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(08-03-2019 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?

The ACC did in that period betwern South Carolina leaving and Ga Tech joining. The 1 seed gets a bye to the semis
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
(08-03-2019 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?

Yes. It's up to the conference.
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(08-02-2018 05:59 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 05:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Its August 2nd and Chicago St hasn't hired a basketball coach. Every other Division 1 school (300 some plus) has a coach. A couple schools may have an interim coach, but as far as I know Chicago St is the only school with no basketball coach and school is about to be starting.
What's the skinny?

And they're looking for a PA announcer - if I lived closer to CSU or it weren't located in such a rough part of town I'd probably apply for the hell of it.

https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/at...1595031464

The PA guy CSU ended up hiring turned out to be a gem. Could see the Bulls or Sox picking him up one day (mentioned it in one of CSU’s game threads last year).
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(08-03-2019 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?

I believe they also had the WAC tournament a few times when Grand Canyon was ineligible for the postseason and the auto-bid. I believe top seed had only 1 bye.
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(08-03-2019 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?

Says who? While I will admit that the resignation of Chris Zorich is disappointing, that does not equate to ending athletics. Chicago State had a $6.2 million dollar budget in 2017-2018, expenses and revenue. That is from the Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act:

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search

They actually had a profit of $273,000 in men's basketball. They really don't gain anything by dropping athletics and the WAC is not going to kick them out. They hired a good basketball coach for both men's and woman's basketball and the recruiting has improved. So why end athletics?

Rightly or wrongly, the state of Illinois has invested a fair amount of money in the school. The $38 million dollar arena the state built for them is just one indication of the money invested. They will be given time..
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(08-03-2019 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?

The Metro has one in its last few years before merging with the Gream Midwest. 1 bye, quarters 2-7, 3-6, 4-5, semis 1-4/5, 2/7-3/6
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(08-03-2019 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It looks like Chicago St will end athletics ASAP.
My question: Can a 7 school conference have a basketball tournament?

You could, of course, seed the regular season champion into the final and leave the last and second last school at home, but given 7 schools, it's pretty much automatic that it's going to be the regular season champion seeded into the semi-finals.
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Chicago State was 348th of 351 in average attendance last season.

CSU drew 4,304 fans last season. Not per game, for the season. That's 391 per game.
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(08-04-2019 09:31 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Chicago State was 348th of 351 in average attendance last season.

CSU drew 4,304 fans last season. Not per game, for the season. That's 391 per game.

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What Chicago state needs is conference closer to the midwest. Plus the fact Illinois went so many years without a budget screwed some of the schools up in Illinois
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(08-04-2019 09:31 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Chicago State was 348th of 351 in average attendance last season.

CSU drew 4,304 fans last season. Not per game, for the season. That's 391 per game.

Actually fewer than that. The count includes the press, teams, staff (trainers), cheerleaders and administrators and others in for free.

They collected only $4,050 in ticket sales for ALL sports. If they are collecting a whopping $1 per paying customer they are still short of 4,304 total. But actually the website says $10 for general admission, $20 for court side for any game. So if every paying customer is general admission it means they had 405 paying customers for the entire season, which in reality is probably fewer than 50 individuals (assuming a diehard fan comes to 5 to 10 games).
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(08-04-2019 11:02 PM)KingSean Wrote:  What Chicago state needs is conference closer to the midwest. Plus the fact Illinois went so many years without a budget screwed some of the schools up in Illinois

AKA Mid-2000’s Mid-Continent. Chicago St went 24-24 those 3 years and was always in the hunt. Oakland, IUPUI, Valpo, CSU, WIU, UMKC, ORU, Centenary. Swap SUU for Fort Wayne and it would’ve been perfect.

Chicago St got within 1 game of the ‘06 NCAA Tournament but ran into an Oral Roberts buzzsaw that KenPom once proclaimed “the greatest 16-seed ever” and upset #3 Kansas on opening night the following year.

The year before (‘05) CSU cost UMKC a conference title and ended their 11-game winning streak by scoring 6 points including a halfcourt shot in a 1.9 second miracle:




On another note, KC Municipal Auditorium was packed for a Chicago St game. Mid-2000’s were truly the golden age for midwest mid-major basketball.
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(08-04-2019 11:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(08-04-2019 11:02 PM)KingSean Wrote:  What Chicago state needs is conference closer to the midwest. Plus the fact Illinois went so many years without a budget screwed some of the schools up in Illinois

AKA Mid-2000’s Mid-Continent. Chicago St went 24-24 those 3 years and was always in the hunt. Oakland, IUPUI, Valpo, CSU, WIU, UMKC, ORU, Centenary. Swap SUU for Fort Wayne and it would’ve been perfect.

Chicago St got within 1 game of the ‘06 NCAA Tournament but ran into an Oral Roberts buzzsaw that KenPom once proclaimed “the greatest 16-seed ever” and upset #3 Kansas on opening night the following year.

The year before (‘05) CSU cost UMKC a conference title and ended their 11-game winning streak by scoring 6 points including a halfcourt shot in a 1.9 second miracle:

On another note, KC Municipal Auditorium was packed for a Chicago St game. Mid-2000’s were truly the golden age for midwest mid-major basketball.

I'd argue for the early 2010s. Butler with back to back title game appearances, Northern Iowa beating Kansas, some very good Xavier teams, Morehead over Louisville, Wichita State taking off, the start of the McDermott era at Creighton, etc
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(08-04-2019 11:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The year before (‘05) CSU cost UMKC a conference title and ended their 11-game winning streak by scoring 6 points including a halfcourt shot in a 1.9 second miracle:



Amazing finish. If that was in a Disney movie I'd never believe it.
That's why we keep watching sports - for moments like that.
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(08-04-2019 11:56 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I'd argue for the early 2010s. Butler with back to back title game appearances, Northern Iowa beating Kansas, some very good Xavier teams, Morehead over Louisville, Wichita State taking off, the start of the McDermott era at Creighton, etc

I miss those Wichita/Creighton battles. They were nasty. There was bad blood between them. Which made what happened on the floor all the more exciting.
(I hate what realignment has done to natural rivalries. Since they joined the Big East, Creighton doesn't have anything like the passion the Wichita game stirred up. "Now, where exactly is Seton Hall? Is that somewhere in the Carolinas?? There's a St. John's in New York? I thought St. John's was in Minnesota?" )
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