(05-14-2017 09:51 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 07:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  One day after the ACC and ND announce scheduled games through 2037, Brando tells us otherwise.

He said the same thing back before the ACC Network and the new GOR was announced.

If this was in the works (as Brando says), why did ND and the ACC agree to the contractual provision that says that ND doesn't have to join in football through 2036, but gets a full ACC Network share?

That is a lot of effort and negotiations for...nothing?

Why not announce ND to the ACC at the same time as the ACC Network announcement last year?

What a big splash that would have made! That would have been big news indeed.

Didn't happen.

Why go to the bother of making the schedule announcement if it is "fake news" and was never meant by either side?

It just doesn't make "walking around sense".

Brando has always been a blowhard. He lives in Shreveport, is an SEC honk and has no ties to ND.

Wasn't Brando the one who said that the ACCN would happen when everyone else was doubting it? All Brando said here was that there was some talks, why is that so unbelievable?

Last year, Tim Brando assured all of us that ND was going to join the ACC for football......because with the ACC Network, the money was just going to be too damn good to pass up.

When it came out that the ACC had carved out ND football through 2036 AND gave ND a full ACC Network share, he disappeared.

Now, he is back...with another "theory".

ND is usually sealed up tight. When was the last time you saw/heard/read anything out of ND (other than public Swarbrick pronouncements) about conference realignment or ND football possibly joining a conference ???

Never, that is when. Brando is running his mouth, as usual.

Actually what I took away from the interview was that they were referring to his article from a year ago & not a new "theory". In any case I don't see it as being unbelievable that talks occurred or are ongoing, it doesn't mean that ND is absolutely joining. Brando isn't the only one saying that he had heard about these talks either, a respectable poster on the main board had mentioned hearing about them as well.

Again, Brando was the one who accurately predicted that the ACCN was going to happen during the time that everyone else was doubting it.

I don't doubt they talked, what came out of those discussions is the key.

Hey, it's offseason. Hope more leaks happen.

When/if Notre Dame joins ACC football, it means that the ACC is well ahead of Notre Dame in that sport and the Irish are looking to upgrade themselves - it won't be ND coming to "rescue" the ACC.

(05-13-2017 01:33 PM)green Wrote:  

within realm of possibility ...
replace 1-2 filler games like temple & miami(oh) ...
voila' ...
almost there ...

MISSION CREEP

...Filler games?

Brando's 'correct' prediction is for a ACCN that has been announced, but not started and will supposedly be in 2 years. A lifetime in today's tech world and for ESPN.

I think the talks went like this:

Swofford: "hey, maybe ND will join the ACC someday"

ND: "sure John, maybe someday. Later"

We have heard for years now ND is joining. I just don't see it. It seems to be more a dream than an actual prediction of a logical situation that will push ND to the ACC.

Look, I'm sure officials at Notre Dame have discussed from time to time the possibility of joining the Atlantic Coast Conference. Why wouldn't they? They are intelligent people and they see the changing landscape of collegiate athletics. However, it doesn't mean they've come to a decision to join our conference or any conference. I'm sure the discussions come on from time to time because that's what officials do, that's what administrators do; they do what is best for their school. They continually evaluate the situation.

(05-14-2017 09:56 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Look, I'm sure officials at Notre Dame have discussed from time to time the possibility of joining the Atlantic Coast Conference. Why wouldn't they? They are intelligent people and they see the changing landscape of collegiate athletics. However, it doesn't mean they've come to a decision to join our conference or any conference. I'm sure the discussions come on from time to time because that's what officials do, that's what administrators do; they do what is best for their school. They continually evaluate the situation.

Jack Swabrick always says he is "monitoring the landscape".

This is all just Brando regurgitating some of what he said last summer.

(05-14-2017 11:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 09:56 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Look, I'm sure officials at Notre Dame have discussed from time to time the possibility of joining the Atlantic Coast Conference. Why wouldn't they? They are intelligent people and they see the changing landscape of collegiate athletics. However, it doesn't mean they've come to a decision to join our conference or any conference. I'm sure the discussions come on from time to time because that's what officials do, that's what administrators do; they do what is best for their school. They continually evaluate the situation.

Jack Swabrick always says he is "monitoring the landscape".

This is all just Brando regurgitating some of what he said last summer.

Exactly!

(05-14-2017 04:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  ...Filler games?

NBCSN will televise a Notre Dame football game for just the second time this upcoming season, airing the team’s September 30 matchup with Miami (OH). ... With the September 30 game on NBCSN, Notre Dame will go six weeks — from September 9 against Georgia through October 21 against USC — without a game on the NBC broadcast network.
-- smw

uninteresting matchup ...
scheduled on the fly ...
in order to take up space ...

WHO CARES

Of course Notre Dame has discussed it. Do people think they're just winging it?

I have no doubt that Notre Dame knows exactly what the scenario is, and how they will respond. Their number one goal is to retain football quasi-independence as long as they can. I am sure they have established the exact circumstances that effect what they do. There's nothing the ACC can do, nor should do, to make it happen.

The only important factor to understand is the Notre Dame has said (and have shown this over the previous couple decades) that they will not prioritize independence over relevance...ie they will not go the way of the service academies or Ivy League to maintain independence.

So it's very simple...Notre Dame will give up independence when they have to in order to remain competitive. That's it. Whether you think they will join or not, really has nothing to do with how they feel about independence, what their tradition means to them, or what NBC does, or what the ACC does. As long as they have a route to the playoffs, and can continue to recruit, as an independent, they will stay independent-ish.

I do believe they will join a conference eventually, because I think eventually they will be marginalized if they don't. That's not the scenario today, so there won't be any announcements tomorrow. Whether that is 5 years from now, or 25 years from now, I really have no idea. It's 100% out of the ACC's control, so it's hardly worth talking about as much as we do.

The main thing to watch is if OU and TX leave the Big 12 and that blows up. That's the only "imminent" thing that I think could possibly change ND's status in the next 5-10 years. If we end up with four major conferences, then I think that will do it. Even if the playoffs don't go to a 100% automatic conference champion auto-bid (and I don't think they will), that will be the defacto effect. It will take an especially weak conference champion (3+ loss PAC or ACC champ) to be left out, and even if so, ND will be in competition with an at large from another conference. The default position will be the four champions.

I think in that case, ND joins. In a four-conference world, ND in the ACC could lose 2 regular season games and easily make the playoffs. In that same world, as an independent, they would have little chance to make the playoffs with anything less than an undefeated season. I don't think that will be a tolerable situation, and I think that would prompt a change.

Short of Big 12 implosion, I don't really see anything on the horizon that changes things for ND in the next ten years or so. As long as there are five conferences competing for four spots, they don't have that much trouble inserting themselves into the conversation as well.

(05-15-2017 09:30 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Of course Notre Dame has discussed it. Do people think they're just winging it?

I have no doubt that Notre Dame knows exactly what the scenario is, and how they will respond. Their number one goal is to retain football quasi-independence as long as they can. I am sure they have established the exact circumstances that effect what they do. There's nothing the ACC can do, nor should do, to make it happen.

The only important factor to understand is the Notre Dame has said (and have shown this over the previous couple decades) that they will not prioritize independence over relevance...ie they will not go the way of the service academies or Ivy League to maintain independence.

So it's very simple...Notre Dame will give up independence when they have to in order to remain competitive. That's it. Whether you think they will join or not, really has nothing to do with how they feel about independence, what their tradition means to them, or what NBC does, or what the ACC does. As long as they have a route to the playoffs, and can continue to recruit, as an independent, they will stay independent-ish.

I do believe they will join a conference eventually, because I think eventually they will be marginalized if they don't. That's not the scenario today, so there won't be any announcements tomorrow. Whether that is 5 years from now, or 25 years from now, I really have no idea. It's 100% out of the ACC's control, so it's hardly worth talking about as much as we do.

The main thing to watch is if OU and TX leave the Big 12 and that blows up. That's the only "imminent" thing that I think could possibly change ND's status in the next 5-10 years. If we end up with four major conferences, then I think that will do it. Even if the playoffs don't go to a 100% automatic conference champion auto-bid (and I don't think they will), that will be the defacto effect. It will take an especially weak conference champion (3+ loss PAC or ACC champ) to be left out, and even if so, ND will be in competition with an at large from another conference. The default position will be the four champions.

I think in that case, ND joins. In a four-conference world, ND in the ACC could lose 2 regular season games and easily make the playoffs. In that same world, as an independent, they would have little chance to make the playoffs with anything less than an undefeated season. I don't think that will be a tolerable situation, and I think that would prompt a change.

Short of Big 12 implosion, I don't really see anything on the horizon that changes things for ND in the next ten years or so. As long as there are five conferences competing for four spots, they don't have that much trouble inserting themselves into the conversation as well.

Actually, the only definitive thing that Jack Swarbrick has said is that if a P4 champs only playoff occurs, ND will have to join a conference.

Otherwise, he is still "monitoring the landscape".

(05-15-2017 10:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:30 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Of course Notre Dame has discussed it. Do people think they're just winging it?

I have no doubt that Notre Dame knows exactly what the scenario is, and how they will respond. Their number one goal is to retain football quasi-independence as long as they can. I am sure they have established the exact circumstances that effect what they do. There's nothing the ACC can do, nor should do, to make it happen.

The only important factor to understand is the Notre Dame has said (and have shown this over the previous couple decades) that they will not prioritize independence over relevance...ie they will not go the way of the service academies or Ivy League to maintain independence.

So it's very simple...Notre Dame will give up independence when they have to in order to remain competitive. That's it. Whether you think they will join or not, really has nothing to do with how they feel about independence, what their tradition means to them, or what NBC does, or what the ACC does. As long as they have a route to the playoffs, and can continue to recruit, as an independent, they will stay independent-ish.

I do believe they will join a conference eventually, because I think eventually they will be marginalized if they don't. That's not the scenario today, so there won't be any announcements tomorrow. Whether that is 5 years from now, or 25 years from now, I really have no idea. It's 100% out of the ACC's control, so it's hardly worth talking about as much as we do.

The main thing to watch is if OU and TX leave the Big 12 and that blows up. That's the only "imminent" thing that I think could possibly change ND's status in the next 5-10 years. If we end up with four major conferences, then I think that will do it. Even if the playoffs don't go to a 100% automatic conference champion auto-bid (and I don't think they will), that will be the defacto effect. It will take an especially weak conference champion (3+ loss PAC or ACC champ) to be left out, and even if so, ND will be in competition with an at large from another conference. The default position will be the four champions.

I think in that case, ND joins. In a four-conference world, ND in the ACC could lose 2 regular season games and easily make the playoffs. In that same world, as an independent, they would have little chance to make the playoffs with anything less than an undefeated season. I don't think that will be a tolerable situation, and I think that would prompt a change.

Short of Big 12 implosion, I don't really see anything on the horizon that changes things for ND in the next ten years or so. As long as there are five conferences competing for four spots, they don't have that much trouble inserting themselves into the conversation as well.

Actually, the only definitive thing that Jack Swarbrick has said is that if a P4 champs only playoff occurs, ND will have to join a conference.

Otherwise, he is still "monitoring the landscape".

It must be a little unsettling to know that the future semi-independence is in the hands of Texas and Oklahoma.

(05-15-2017 10:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:30 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Of course Notre Dame has discussed it. Do people think they're just winging it?

I have no doubt that Notre Dame knows exactly what the scenario is, and how they will respond. Their number one goal is to retain football quasi-independence as long as they can. I am sure they have established the exact circumstances that effect what they do. There's nothing the ACC can do, nor should do, to make it happen.

The only important factor to understand is the Notre Dame has said (and have shown this over the previous couple decades) that they will not prioritize independence over relevance...ie they will not go the way of the service academies or Ivy League to maintain independence.

So it's very simple...Notre Dame will give up independence when they have to in order to remain competitive. That's it. Whether you think they will join or not, really has nothing to do with how they feel about independence, what their tradition means to them, or what NBC does, or what the ACC does. As long as they have a route to the playoffs, and can continue to recruit, as an independent, they will stay independent-ish.

I do believe they will join a conference eventually, because I think eventually they will be marginalized if they don't. That's not the scenario today, so there won't be any announcements tomorrow. Whether that is 5 years from now, or 25 years from now, I really have no idea. It's 100% out of the ACC's control, so it's hardly worth talking about as much as we do.

The main thing to watch is if OU and TX leave the Big 12 and that blows up. That's the only "imminent" thing that I think could possibly change ND's status in the next 5-10 years. If we end up with four major conferences, then I think that will do it. Even if the playoffs don't go to a 100% automatic conference champion auto-bid (and I don't think they will), that will be the defacto effect. It will take an especially weak conference champion (3+ loss PAC or ACC champ) to be left out, and even if so, ND will be in competition with an at large from another conference. The default position will be the four champions.

I think in that case, ND joins. In a four-conference world, ND in the ACC could lose 2 regular season games and easily make the playoffs. In that same world, as an independent, they would have little chance to make the playoffs with anything less than an undefeated season. I don't think that will be a tolerable situation, and I think that would prompt a change.

Short of Big 12 implosion, I don't really see anything on the horizon that changes things for ND in the next ten years or so. As long as there are five conferences competing for four spots, they don't have that much trouble inserting themselves into the conversation as well.

Actually, the only definitive thing that Jack Swarbrick has said is that if a P4 champs only playoff occurs, ND will have to join a conference.

Otherwise, he is still "monitoring the landscape".

Right. Meaning, they won't give up playing big boy college football in favor of remaining independent. A reduction to P4 is the most likely near-term event that could effect that.

It's my OPINION that a reduction to P4 will be enough, even if it's not technically a champs only model. I think they will leave in a mechanism to exclude a 7-5 team that pulls an upset in a conference championship game.

Now, it's certainly arguable that ND won't leave independence as long as they have a theoretical chance at the playoffs.

It's my opinion that they don't have to be absolutely excluded from the playoffs by letter of the law for it to be enough to knock them off the ledge. The idea that they'd functionally be excluded except in the most unlikely of scenarios will be enough. Especially when paired with alternative that joining a conference will give them a BETTER path to playing for the title than they will have had in ages.

From the ACCN Profitability thread...

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)green Wrote:  Swofford said that Notre Dame, an ACC member for sports other than football, will receive a full share of ACC Network revenue.
-- david teel

sticks in my craw ...
swofford giving away the store ...
full share, partial status in perpetuity ...

WATER OVER THE DAM

Yes, but consider when Notre Dame gets an equal share from the ACC Network, yet still trails all full ACC members...
...in basic TV revenue
...in CFP bowl revenue
...in CFP appearances
...in football win%
...and never gets a crack at the playoffs, THAT's when Notre Dame gives up on independence!

If You Can't Beat Em, Join Em!

I don't see ND joining for football anytime soon, but if they did the Coastal division would be their landing spot. I imagine Virginia Tech would move over to the Atlantic with UVa as their cross-division opponent. I would push for fifteen members and uneven divisions (I know it's more complicated, but it would allow ND to play less conference games and could be an incentive), Texas as a full member (not my favorite idea, but would be a huge money-maker), or Navy as a trial basis football-only member. If Navy is brought in, then they would surely join the Coastal and ND would have BC as permanent rival. If Texas is sixteen, then they would be ND's cross-division and BC could move to the Coatal and be paired with Syracuse.

Or just wait ten years for Liberty to become the athletic behemoth it surely will and snap them up.

(05-15-2017 10:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:30 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Of course Notre Dame has discussed it. Do people think they're just winging it?

I have no doubt that Notre Dame knows exactly what the scenario is, and how they will respond. Their number one goal is to retain football quasi-independence as long as they can. I am sure they have established the exact circumstances that effect what they do. There's nothing the ACC can do, nor should do, to make it happen.

The only important factor to understand is the Notre Dame has said (and have shown this over the previous couple decades) that they will not prioritize independence over relevance...ie they will not go the way of the service academies or Ivy League to maintain independence.

So it's very simple...Notre Dame will give up independence when they have to in order to remain competitive. That's it. Whether you think they will join or not, really has nothing to do with how they feel about independence, what their tradition means to them, or what NBC does, or what the ACC does. As long as they have a route to the playoffs, and can continue to recruit, as an independent, they will stay independent-ish.

I do believe they will join a conference eventually, because I think eventually they will be marginalized if they don't. That's not the scenario today, so there won't be any announcements tomorrow. Whether that is 5 years from now, or 25 years from now, I really have no idea. It's 100% out of the ACC's control, so it's hardly worth talking about as much as we do.

The main thing to watch is if OU and TX leave the Big 12 and that blows up. That's the only "imminent" thing that I think could possibly change ND's status in the next 5-10 years. If we end up with four major conferences, then I think that will do it. Even if the playoffs don't go to a 100% automatic conference champion auto-bid (and I don't think they will), that will be the defacto effect. It will take an especially weak conference champion (3+ loss PAC or ACC champ) to be left out, and even if so, ND will be in competition with an at large from another conference. The default position will be the four champions.

I think in that case, ND joins. In a four-conference world, ND in the ACC could lose 2 regular season games and easily make the playoffs. In that same world, as an independent, they would have little chance to make the playoffs with anything less than an undefeated season. I don't think that will be a tolerable situation, and I think that would prompt a change.

Short of Big 12 implosion, I don't really see anything on the horizon that changes things for ND in the next ten years or so. As long as there are five conferences competing for four spots, they don't have that much trouble inserting themselves into the conversation as well.

Actually, the only definitive thing that Jack Swarbrick has said is that if a P4 champs only playoff occurs, ND will have to join a conference.

Otherwise, he is still "monitoring the landscape".

It must be a little unsettling to know that the future semi-independence is in the hands of Texas and Oklahoma.

I don't see it that way, but any ally will do.

ANY PORT

Brando chimes in on Twitter to pump the brakes and crawfish:


Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 13m 13 minutes ago
Replying to @HoopsWeiss

Let's pump the breaks here Hoops! I've stated there have been discussions, informal yes, but it's my strong opinion it's a matter of time.


ZATARAINS

(05-15-2017 11:10 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:30 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Of course Notre Dame has discussed it. Do people think they're just winging it?

I have no doubt that Notre Dame knows exactly what the scenario is, and how they will respond. Their number one goal is to retain football quasi-independence as long as they can. I am sure they have established the exact circumstances that effect what they do. There's nothing the ACC can do, nor should do, to make it happen.

The only important factor to understand is the Notre Dame has said (and have shown this over the previous couple decades) that they will not prioritize independence over relevance...ie they will not go the way of the service academies or Ivy League to maintain independence.

So it's very simple...Notre Dame will give up independence when they have to in order to remain competitive. That's it. Whether you think they will join or not, really has nothing to do with how they feel about independence, what their tradition means to them, or what NBC does, or what the ACC does. As long as they have a route to the playoffs, and can continue to recruit, as an independent, they will stay independent-ish.

I do believe they will join a conference eventually, because I think eventually they will be marginalized if they don't. That's not the scenario today, so there won't be any announcements tomorrow. Whether that is 5 years from now, or 25 years from now, I really have no idea. It's 100% out of the ACC's control, so it's hardly worth talking about as much as we do.

The main thing to watch is if OU and TX leave the Big 12 and that blows up. That's the only "imminent" thing that I think could possibly change ND's status in the next 5-10 years. If we end up with four major conferences, then I think that will do it. Even if the playoffs don't go to a 100% automatic conference champion auto-bid (and I don't think they will), that will be the defacto effect. It will take an especially weak conference champion (3+ loss PAC or ACC champ) to be left out, and even if so, ND will be in competition with an at large from another conference. The default position will be the four champions.

I think in that case, ND joins. In a four-conference world, ND in the ACC could lose 2 regular season games and easily make the playoffs. In that same world, as an independent, they would have little chance to make the playoffs with anything less than an undefeated season. I don't think that will be a tolerable situation, and I think that would prompt a change.

Short of Big 12 implosion, I don't really see anything on the horizon that changes things for ND in the next ten years or so. As long as there are five conferences competing for four spots, they don't have that much trouble inserting themselves into the conversation as well.

Actually, the only definitive thing that Jack Swarbrick has said is that if a P4 champs only playoff occurs, ND will have to join a conference.

Otherwise, he is still "monitoring the landscape".

Right. Meaning, they won't give up playing big boy college football in favor of remaining independent. A reduction to P4 is the most likely near-term event that could effect that.

It's my OPINION that a reduction to P4 will be enough, even if it's not technically a champs only model. I think they will leave in a mechanism to exclude a 7-5 team that pulls an upset in a conference championship game.

Now, it's certainly arguable that ND won't leave independence as long as they have a theoretical chance at the playoffs.

It's my opinion that they don't have to be absolutely excluded from the playoffs by letter of the law for it to be enough to knock them off the ledge. The idea that they'd functionally be excluded except in the most unlikely of scenarios will be enough. Especially when paired with alternative that joining a conference will give them a BETTER path to playing for the title than they will have had in ages.

The bolded is the oft stated position of Jack Swarbrick on the issue.

I disagree with your opinion, but respect it.

I think that all of us will be dead and ND football still will not be a conference member.


DEAD AS A DOORNAIL

(05-15-2017 12:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From the ACCN Profitability thread...

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)green Wrote:  Swofford said that Notre Dame, an ACC member for sports other than football, will receive a full share of ACC Network revenue.
-- david teel

sticks in my craw ...
swofford giving away the store ...
full share, partial status in perpetuity ...

WATER OVER THE DAM

Yes, but consider when Notre Dame gets an equal share from the ACC Network, yet still trails all full ACC members...
...in basic TV revenue
...in CFP bowl revenue
...in CFP appearances
...in football win%
...and never gets a crack at the playoffs, THAT's when Notre Dame gives up on independence!

If You Can't Beat Em, Join Em!

ND makes money in very many different ways and is not as dependent on TV revenues as a lot of other schools.

I don't believe any of the dire predictions for ND football that fans of other schools come up with, sorry.


GROUCHO MARX

(05-15-2017 05:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From the ACCN Profitability thread...

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)green Wrote:  Swofford said that Notre Dame, an ACC member for sports other than football, will receive a full share of ACC Network revenue.
-- david teel

sticks in my craw ...
swofford giving away the store ...
full share, partial status in perpetuity ...

WATER OVER THE DAM

Yes, but consider when Notre Dame gets an equal share from the ACC Network, yet still trails all full ACC members...
...in basic TV revenue
...in CFP bowl revenue
...in CFP appearances
...in football win%
...and never gets a crack at the playoffs, THAT's when Notre Dame gives up on independence!

If You Can't Beat Em, Join Em!

ND makes money in very many different ways and is not as dependent on TV revenues as a lot of other schools.

I don't believe any of the dire predictions for ND football that fans of other schools come up with, sorry.


GROUCHO MARX

Don't worry Terry, no one here really thinks Notre Dame will join the Atlantic Coast Conference for football anytime soon. And since their football schedule with the ACC has already been made out to the year 2037, who cares? Hell I will be 74 years old and at that point I won't give a darn.

COLOR ME GREEN, ERR, ORANGE

(05-15-2017 07:39 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From the ACCN Profitability thread...

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)green Wrote:  Swofford said that Notre Dame, an ACC member for sports other than football, will receive a full share of ACC Network revenue.
-- david teel

sticks in my craw ...
swofford giving away the store ...
full share, partial status in perpetuity ...

WATER OVER THE DAM

Yes, but consider when Notre Dame gets an equal share from the ACC Network, yet still trails all full ACC members...
...in basic TV revenue
...in CFP bowl revenue
...in CFP appearances
...in football win%
...and never gets a crack at the playoffs, THAT's when Notre Dame gives up on independence!

If You Can't Beat Em, Join Em!

ND makes money in very many different ways and is not as dependent on TV revenues as a lot of other schools.

I don't believe any of the dire predictions for ND football that fans of other schools come up with, sorry.


GROUCHO MARX

Don't worry Terry, no one here really thinks Notre Dame will join the Atlantic Coast Conference for football anytime soon. And since their football schedule with the ACC has already been made out to the year 2037, who cares? Hell I will be 74 years old and at that point I won't give a darn.

COLOR ME GREEN, ERR, ORANGE

I'll be eighty.

GRAY IS THE NEW BLACK