I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

How many years ago was that?

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

I think you forgot the little " " thingies and the reference . . . and stuff.

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

I felt the Tubby hire was a complete mistake until now. After hearing about your conversation with Cameron Mills, I'm 100% on board.

Cool story, bro.

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

.....and us the abyss.

(05-11-2017 04:42 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

How many years ago was that?

That was 19 years ago. Of course he's had a lot of trouble getting back to the summit without Rick Pitino's players.

"Any time you're adding talent, there's hope,” he said. “I come back to: Talent doesn't guarantee you win, but bad players is going to guarantee you losing. That's just how it is. If you tell me there's a guy out there that says, 'Well, I like to coach 'em up,' well, you go coach 'em up, and let me go get talented guys."

(05-11-2017 05:43 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

I felt the Tubby hire was a complete mistake until now. After hearing about your conversation with Cameron Mills, I'm 100% on board.

Cool story, bro.

And with the new Basketball facility recruiting should be enhanced.

(05-11-2017 06:25 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  "Any time you're adding talent, there's hope,” he said. “I come back to: Talent doesn't guarantee you win, but bad players is going to guarantee you losing. That's just how it is. If you tell me there's a guy out there that says, 'Well, I like to coach 'em up,' well, you go coach 'em up, and let me go get talented guys."

We're screwed then.

Remember when we were relevant?

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Remember when we were relevant?

I remember three times we were.

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

How many extra wins do we get for that Kentucky national championship this year?

(05-11-2017 09:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Remember when we were relevant?

I remember three times we were.

Me too. I remember the first year in the Coliseum.

(05-11-2017 09:31 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 09:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Remember when we were relevant?

I remember three times we were.

Me too. I remember the first year in the Coliseum.

That was the year I became a Tiger fan.

Glory days, well, they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days

The Boss.

lol ok


It was all Tubby. He's been tearing the NCAA Tourney since then too! LOL

Rick Pitino has been slacking since. OK

(05-11-2017 09:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Remember when we were relevant?

I remember three times we were.

Doesn't take FF to be relevant the program just needs to be 'in the conversation' for a he S16 more often than not to be nationally relevant.

IN THE CONVERSATION.

(05-12-2017 09:08 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 09:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 07:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Remember when we were relevant?

I remember three times we were.

Doesn't take FF to be relevant the program just needs to be 'in the conversation' for a he S16 more often than not to be nationally relevant.

IN THE CONVERSATION.

(05-11-2017 04:37 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I've had conversations with Cameron Mills, who was there for all three national title appearances, and he is adamant in saying that Tubby was responsible for leading the '98 team to the title; not Rick Pitino. Yes, Pitino recruited that team, but Tubby was the one that coached them and brought the Comeback ‘Cats from the brink of elimination multiple times in the NCAA tournament. We will never know if Pitino or some other coach would have won it all that year and it would be unfair to assume anyone other than Tubby would have done it. His brand of coaching and philosophy brought that team together and took them to the summit.

This is exactly what is frustrating about Tubby. If Tubby was in sales and he decided that he was happy making half of his potential income because he didn't want to do anything unpleasant, then that would be fine.

The problem is that a MAJOR part of the job description is that you have to recruit hard, you have to pander to kids, you have to play the game with all of the handlers, posses and family members with their hands out, it is as big a part of the job as dialing up a play during a timeout.

We have seen what Tubby can do when he has elite players at an elite school. We have seen that Tubby can build something from nothing at crappy schools like Minnesota and Texas Tech.

By being exactly who he has been for the last 10 years, Tubby should be at least semi killing it in recruiting, just because our brand, facilities and access to recruits are 10X what they are at Minnesota and Texas Tech.

Would it be too much to ask for Tubby to meet Memphis in the middle? Recruit halfway between Texas Tech and Kentucky levels and get us to a Sweet 16 and an Elite 8? It seems that just because of all the advantages he has at Memphis, he should be able to do that. He shouldn't be going into year 3 without a point guard, power forward, center or top 100 recruit.

Getting back to sales and a sales analogy. Early on in my career, one of my managers said that there are two types of salesmen. The first makes quota by Monday and is happy because he can take the rest of the week off. The second type makes quota on Monday and says, why not try to make quota every day?

Tubby is being paid $3 million per year guaranteed and he has Saul on staff. Tubby has already made quota.