(05-11-2017 04:45 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Cannot conceive of a world in which there would be any advantage from dropping Army for a series with Liberty

Wayne's World -- "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"

(05-11-2017 01:16 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.

Makes me wonder if Liberty, who has stacks of money a mile high from their on-line university, sweetened the pot with a big wad of cash. I'd bet the rent that N Texas is doing much better financially under the Liberty game arrangement than with the Army arrangement---and that's even after paying the cancellation fee's for dumping the Army game. Liberty is flush enough that they could easily buy themselves a 12 game schedule if they have to. Getting a very favorable financial arrangement is really the only way trading Army for Liberty makes much sense.

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

(05-11-2017 08:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

Didn't get blown out like some teams...muts...

(05-11-2017 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

LOL, that's gonna leave a mark.

(05-11-2017 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

We brought a large crowd.
We played an entertaining game.
We forced overtime.
And, we did all this with a team that finished the season 1-11 the year before.

Remember, there were 6 C-USA teams that had worse seasons then North Texas. They missed out on the bowl season, so I think we represented the conference better then them. And of the teams that lost their bowl, we are the only C-USA teams that forced overtime. So, that's better then losing in regulation, or getting blown out.

Of the 13 C-USA teams that played football last season, only 4, represented the conference better in the bowls. So, I will say it again... North Texas represented the conference well in the HOD.

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

I think by "lost a few games with Army" he meant that you lost the opportunity to play them a few more times. I don't think he was referring to the outcome of the games, although I could easily be wrong.

(05-11-2017 10:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

We brought a large crowd.
We played an entertaining game.
We forced overtime.
And, we did all this with a team that finished the season 1-11 the year before.

Remember, there were 6 C-USA teams that had worse seasons then North Texas. They missed out on the bowl season, so I think we represented the conference better then them. And of the teams that lost their bowl, we are the only C-USA teams that forced overtime. So, that's better then losing in regulation, or getting blown out.

Of the 13 C-USA teams that played football last season, only 4, represented the conference better in the bowls. So, I will say it again... North Texas represented the conference well in the HOD.

Did you not just beat this same team a few weeks earlier at their home?

Maybe you should say you represented UNT well? I understand where you are coming from...1-11 to a 5-7 (5-8) but losing to a team you just beat, and it wasn't close. There is no moral victory for playing them close...for CUSA. If it was for UNT, that's on you fans.

Maybe others thinks of it differently but if playing a team that had to beat a Navy team playing their 4th QB just to go bowling...you should win. It was a home game for UNT.

How long until an FOIA is submitted to find how much $$$

(05-11-2017 10:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 10:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:33 PM)GreenGate2006 Wrote:  As a fan, it sucks that we have to play Liberty instead of Army. Even worse, however, is the fact we scheduled a home and home with them.

Also, just for the record, we beat Army during the regular season 35-18. We lost to them in the bowl game 38-31.

In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

We brought a large crowd.
We played an entertaining game.
We forced overtime.
And, we did all this with a team that finished the season 1-11 the year before.

Remember, there were 6 C-USA teams that had worse seasons then North Texas. They missed out on the bowl season, so I think we represented the conference better then them. And of the teams that lost their bowl, we are the only C-USA teams that forced overtime. So, that's better then losing in regulation, or getting blown out.

Of the 13 C-USA teams that played football last season, only 4, represented the conference better in the bowls. So, I will say it again... North Texas represented the conference well in the HOD.

Did you not just beat this same team a few weeks earlier at their home?

Maybe you should say you represented UNT well? I understand where you are coming from...1-11 to a 5-7 (5-8) but losing to a team you just beat, and it wasn't close. There is no moral victory for playing them close...for CUSA. If it was for UNT, that's on you fans.

Maybe others thinks of it differently but if playing a team that had to beat a Navy team playing their 4th QB just to go bowling...you should win. It was a home game for UNT.

Sounds like the Army coaches learned from regular seasons game and out coached UNT in bowl.

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

I agree that this is a dumb trade but what's wrong with Liberty? I hate to break it to you but they'll have no problems filling out schedules

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(05-12-2017 07:23 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 10:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 10:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 08:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  In overtime. We represented the conference well in the HOD.

Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

We brought a large crowd.
We played an entertaining game.
We forced overtime.
And, we did all this with a team that finished the season 1-11 the year before.

Remember, there were 6 C-USA teams that had worse seasons then North Texas. They missed out on the bowl season, so I think we represented the conference better then them. And of the teams that lost their bowl, we are the only C-USA teams that forced overtime. So, that's better then losing in regulation, or getting blown out.

Of the 13 C-USA teams that played football last season, only 4, represented the conference better in the bowls. So, I will say it again... North Texas represented the conference well in the HOD.

Did you not just beat this same team a few weeks earlier at their home?

Maybe you should say you represented UNT well? I understand where you are coming from...1-11 to a 5-7 (5-8) but losing to a team you just beat, and it wasn't close. There is no moral victory for playing them close...for CUSA. If it was for UNT, that's on you fans.

Maybe others thinks of it differently but if playing a team that had to beat a Navy team playing their 4th QB just to go bowling...you should win. It was a home game for UNT.

Sounds like the Army coaches learned from regular seasons game and out coached UNT in bowl.

Yes, do not fumble the ball 7 times and lose 3 of them.

(05-12-2017 08:20 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 07:23 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 10:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 10:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Playing close to a P5 program and losing and playing Army close...a program that has 2 winning season in the last 20 years is nothing to brag about. So you lost...

how is that "represented the conference well"?

We brought a large crowd.
We played an entertaining game.
We forced overtime.
And, we did all this with a team that finished the season 1-11 the year before.

Remember, there were 6 C-USA teams that had worse seasons then North Texas. They missed out on the bowl season, so I think we represented the conference better then them. And of the teams that lost their bowl, we are the only C-USA teams that forced overtime. So, that's better then losing in regulation, or getting blown out.

Of the 13 C-USA teams that played football last season, only 4, represented the conference better in the bowls. So, I will say it again... North Texas represented the conference well in the HOD.

Did you not just beat this same team a few weeks earlier at their home?

Maybe you should say you represented UNT well? I understand where you are coming from...1-11 to a 5-7 (5-8) but losing to a team you just beat, and it wasn't close. There is no moral victory for playing them close...for CUSA. If it was for UNT, that's on you fans.

Maybe others thinks of it differently but if playing a team that had to beat a Navy team playing their 4th QB just to go bowling...you should win. It was a home game for UNT.

Sounds like the Army coaches learned from regular seasons game and out coached UNT in bowl.

Yes, do not fumble the ball 7 times and lose 3 of them.

Depends on your perspective. UNT had 1 turnover while Army had 4 int's and lost 3 fumbles for 7 turnovers. Better D by UNT or sloppy play by Army. Army won the stat war but UNT won the game. I would take that every day.

In the bowl game, very evenly played, UNT had 2 turnovers to 1 by Army. Army won but it took OT to do it.

I heard that Liberty is now going to cancel the UNT series and pick up one of the service academy teams to fill the voids. Not certain which one.

(05-12-2017 07:30 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

I agree that this is a dumb trade but what's wrong with Liberty? I hate to break it to you but they'll have no problems filling out schedules

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I really couldn't care less about the academic jokes and the crap people give them about Falwell. I honestly had never heard of them until they were mentioned in countless realignment threads.

I just don't like the idea that they can just proclaim themselves FBS when the rest of us move ups had to earn an invite. We got out of FCS for a reason. If FCS schools can just move up at will now, then we're back where we started. Thankfully none really have the resources to do so.

(05-12-2017 09:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 07:30 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

I agree that this is a dumb trade but what's wrong with Liberty? I hate to break it to you but they'll have no problems filling out schedules

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

I really couldn't care less about the academic jokes and the crap people give them about Falwell. I honestly had never heard of them until they were mentioned in countless realignment threads.

I just don't like the idea that they can just proclaim themselves FBS when the rest of us move ups had to earn an invite. We got out of FCS for a reason. If FCS schools can just move up at will now, then we're back where we started. Thankfully none really have the resources to do so.

I think the system that requires an invite is not valid. If a school has all the other requirements like attendance, stadium, budget and desire to go FBS, why should the system say "sorry but there are no openings". It's a rigged system. Let them try independence.

" If FCS schools can just move up at will now, then we're back where we started. Thankfully none really have the resources to do so. "

Liberty had the money, the programs, game attendance, and the organization to move up they just didnt have a conference that wanted them. They got an NCAA waiver rather than suing the NCAA for antitrust.

One advantage Liberty has is all of its games will be televised...all of them. They own their own full power tv station.

(05-12-2017 09:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 07:30 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  It sucks for your fans that y'all lost a few games with Army and it also sucks for the rest of the FBS that y'all are helping legitimize Liberty as FBS. Granted I know it's not financially feasible for many FCS schools but who's to stop anyone from proclaiming themselves FBS now that they see that people will schedule them for the "FBS" win? I know I'd hate to see TXST categorized with schools that we spent the last 5 years trying to distance ourselves from.

I saw on reddit this morning that NMSU scheduled them as well... oh well.

I agree that this is a dumb trade but what's wrong with Liberty? I hate to break it to you but they'll have no problems filling out schedules

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

I really couldn't care less about the academic jokes and the crap people give them about Falwell. I honestly had never heard of them until they were mentioned in countless realignment threads.

I just don't like the idea that they can just proclaim themselves FBS when the rest of us move ups had to earn an invite. We got out of FCS for a reason. If FCS schools can just move up at will now, then we're back where we started. Thankfully none really have the resources to do so.

It's a little more than LU just wanted to move up. Points are that LU met all the FBS requirements (facilities, attendance, men/women teams, etc...). LU overtly stated for 5 years they desired FBS and never received an invite. The NCAA knew if they were to be challenged in litigation they would lose, so they cowered when LU requested indy status, much to the surprise to everyone.

Any team that meets the requirements of FBS membership should be entitled to join, if they wish, if they meet and maintain the requirements. That's putting everyone on equal status without the archaic invite rule. Granted that is a small group of move-ups who qualify and have the resources but it's the most equitable way.