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I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.
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RE: Dates/Times set for Bowl Games
(05-11-2017 11:28 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:51 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:17 AM)Bull Wrote:  Patience. The bowls, just like the TV deal, were negotiated when we were hanging together with a band aid, and didn't even have a conference name.

Keep achieving on the field, and the bowl situation will improve next round.
guys nothing ia going to change on the bowl front until we start packing our stadiums to the brim.

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Bowls do matter. Each and every one. It's insulting to the fans who spend money and travel to them for a fun 3 day vacation to say bowls don't matter. We have to bring fans to every Bowl. The only P5 conferences that don't travel in great numbers to bowls are the PAC and ACC. The bowls will get better if they see a trend of AAC schools showing up in mass numbers. The PAC bowls are probably too far away but maybe the AAC could replace the ACC in a few regional bowls if our fans take this seriously.

LOL, enjoy your money trap.
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(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

No way this happens. You are also cutting the PAC 12 who have a very good working relationship with the Big10. I could see some smaller deals like this but nothing this big that basically eliminates two P5 conferences.
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(05-11-2017 03:47 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 11:28 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:51 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:17 AM)Bull Wrote:  Patience. The bowls, just like the TV deal, were negotiated when we were hanging together with a band aid, and didn't even have a conference name.

Keep achieving on the field, and the bowl situation will improve next round.
guys nothing ia going to change on the bowl front until we start packing our stadiums to the brim.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Bowls do matter. Each and every one. It's insulting to the fans who spend money and travel to them for a fun 3 day vacation to say bowls don't matter. We have to bring fans to every Bowl. The only P5 conferences that don't travel in great numbers to bowls are the PAC and ACC. The bowls will get better if they see a trend of AAC schools showing up in mass numbers. The PAC bowls are probably too far away but maybe the AAC could replace the ACC in a few regional bowls if our fans take this seriously.

LOL, enjoy your money trap.

I'm sure you have your money traps in life. Hunting, fishing, camping, casinos, amusement parks, college sports. I choose college sports....for now. If it keeps becoming more NFL like I'll finally give up on college football.
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(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

Big 10 isn't dropping Big 12 and PAC 12 and the SEC isn't dropping the Big 12. Let's not get crazy...the ACC has 2 traditional college football programs (FSU & Clemson) and the Tabbaco road basketball schools plus 7 or 8 Big East football programs. To think the SEC and Big 10 football blue bloods respect Wake, Duke, BC, Cuse, Virginia etc....nah
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The more I think about the crazier it sounds! Big 10 giving up the Rose Bowl to play Louisville and the SEC dropping the Sugar to play Pitt. Hahahaha
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(05-11-2017 06:05 PM)PT_american Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

No way this happens. You are also cutting the PAC 12 who have a very good working relationship with the Big10. I could see some smaller deals like this but nothing this big that basically eliminates two P5 conferences.

Please note no bowl mentioned included PAC 12. I said 9 max and 6 Min, I did not say order I just said matchup. I think the six bowl makes the most sense but I showed the max since you can easily pull the six bowl scenario. As I stated, then B12 loses champs in the six bowl scenerio. PAC 12 and B12 have a bunch of bowl matchups. Also, the other B10/P12 matchups are Holiday and Foster. Note two bowls that don't have dates yet in this years Bowl schedules. Easily can see B12 to one of these bowls.
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(05-11-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 03:47 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 11:28 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:51 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:17 AM)Bull Wrote:  Patience. The bowls, just like the TV deal, were negotiated when we were hanging together with a band aid, and didn't even have a conference name.

Keep achieving on the field, and the bowl situation will improve next round.
guys nothing ia going to change on the bowl front until we start packing our stadiums to the brim.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Bowls do matter. Each and every one. It's insulting to the fans who spend money and travel to them for a fun 3 day vacation to say bowls don't matter. We have to bring fans to every Bowl. The only P5 conferences that don't travel in great numbers to bowls are the PAC and ACC. The bowls will get better if they see a trend of AAC schools showing up in mass numbers. The PAC bowls are probably too far away but maybe the AAC could replace the ACC in a few regional bowls if our fans take this seriously.

LOL, enjoy your money trap.

I'm sure you have your money traps in life. Hunting, fishing, camping, casinos, amusement parks, college sports. I choose college sports....for now. If it keeps becoming more NFL like I'll finally give up on college football.

My children are my money trap. That's not to say I spoil them. I save as much as I can for later and remodel our home, garden, etc. Cheap entertainment... cheapskate. I gave up on CFB a couple of years ago. I'm more of a casual observer than anything now.

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(05-11-2017 09:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 06:05 PM)PT_american Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

No way this happens. You are also cutting the PAC 12 who have a very good working relationship with the Big10. I could see some smaller deals like this but nothing this big that basically eliminates two P5 conferences.

Please note no bowl mentioned included PAC 12. I said 9 max and 6 Min, I did not say order I just said matchup. I think the six bowl makes the most sense but I showed the max since you can easily pull the six bowl scenario. As I stated, then B12 loses champs in the six bowl scenerio. PAC 12 and B12 have a bunch of bowl matchups. Also, the other B10/P12 matchups are Holiday and Foster. Note two bowls that don't have dates yet in this years Bowl schedules. Easily can see B12 to one of these bowls.

I looked over your idea and you have the top 6 Big 10 and top 6 SEC schools playing the top 6 ACC schools with 3 SEC vs Big 10 matchups.
Does the Sugar Bowl feature SEC #7 vs the Big 12 champion?
Does the Rose Bowl feature Big 10 #7 vs the PAC champion?
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(05-11-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 03:47 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 11:28 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:51 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:17 AM)Bull Wrote:  Patience. The bowls, just like the TV deal, were negotiated when we were hanging together with a band aid, and didn't even have a conference name.

Keep achieving on the field, and the bowl situation will improve next round.
guys nothing ia going to change on the bowl front until we start packing our stadiums to the brim.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Bowls do matter. Each and every one. It's insulting to the fans who spend money and travel to them for a fun 3 day vacation to say bowls don't matter. We have to bring fans to every Bowl. The only P5 conferences that don't travel in great numbers to bowls are the PAC and ACC. The bowls will get better if they see a trend of AAC schools showing up in mass numbers. The PAC bowls are probably too far away but maybe the AAC could replace the ACC in a few regional bowls if our fans take this seriously.

LOL, enjoy your money trap.

I'm sure you have your money traps in life. Hunting, fishing, camping, casinos, amusement parks, college sports. I choose college sports....for now. If it keeps becoming more NFL like I'll finally give up on college football.

Boats n' Hoes n' Pirate Football if there's time.
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RE: Dates/Times set for Bowl Games
(05-12-2017 10:54 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 09:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 06:05 PM)PT_american Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

No way this happens. You are also cutting the PAC 12 who have a very good working relationship with the Big10. I could see some smaller deals like this but nothing this big that basically eliminates two P5 conferences.

Please note no bowl mentioned included PAC 12. I said 9 max and 6 Min, I did not say order I just said matchup. I think the six bowl makes the most sense but I showed the max since you can easily pull the six bowl scenario. As I stated, then B12 loses champs in the six bowl scenerio. PAC 12 and B12 have a bunch of bowl matchups. Also, the other B10/P12 matchups are Holiday and Foster. Note two bowls that don't have dates yet in this years Bowl schedules. Easily can see B12 to one of these bowls.

I looked over your idea and you have the top 6 Big 10 and top 6 SEC schools playing the top 6 ACC schools with 3 SEC vs Big 10 matchups.
Does the Sugar Bowl feature SEC #7 vs the Big 12 champion?
Does the Rose Bowl feature Big 10 #7 vs the PAC champion?

Sorry, when I said non-CFP bowls, I assumed AAC fans would understand the bowls that included all Bowls associated with the CFP. So to spell it out since these tie-ins don't change in the next year cycle.

ROSE B10 Champ vs PAC 12 Champ
SUGAR B12 Champ vs SEC Champ
ORANGE ACC Champ vs B10/SEC/ND
FIESTA, PEACH, COTTON (AT-LARGE & G5 CHAMP)

Guys if you want to be "P6" you might want to know the difference between CFP and Non-CFP bowls. 04-cheers
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RE: Dates/Times set for Bowl Games
(05-12-2017 12:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 10:54 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 09:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 06:05 PM)PT_american Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

No way this happens. You are also cutting the PAC 12 who have a very good working relationship with the Big10. I could see some smaller deals like this but nothing this big that basically eliminates two P5 conferences.

Please note no bowl mentioned included PAC 12. I said 9 max and 6 Min, I did not say order I just said matchup. I think the six bowl makes the most sense but I showed the max since you can easily pull the six bowl scenario. As I stated, then B12 loses champs in the six bowl scenerio. PAC 12 and B12 have a bunch of bowl matchups. Also, the other B10/P12 matchups are Holiday and Foster. Note two bowls that don't have dates yet in this years Bowl schedules. Easily can see B12 to one of these bowls.

I looked over your idea and you have the top 6 Big 10 and top 6 SEC schools playing the top 6 ACC schools with 3 SEC vs Big 10 matchups.
Does the Sugar Bowl feature SEC #7 vs the Big 12 champion?
Does the Rose Bowl feature Big 10 #7 vs the PAC champion?

Sorry, when I said non-CFP bowls, I assumed AAC fans would understand the bowls that included all Bowls associated with the CFP. So to spell it out since these tie-ins don't change in the next year cycle.

ROSE B10 Champ vs PAC 12 Champ
SUGAR B12 Champ vs SEC Champ
ORANGE ACC Champ vs B10/SEC/ND
FIESTA, PEACH, COTTON (AT-LARGE & G5 CHAMP)

Guys if you want to be "P6" you might want to know the difference between CFP and Non-CFP bowls. 04-cheers

I get what you are saying but it just doesn't seem logical. The Holiday is #2 or 3 in the order now for the Big 10 depending on if they land in the orange (CFP bowl) and the Fosters Farms is 5/6 depending on that. So they have their #1 locked up with the PAC12 and there 2/3 and 5/6 but yet they are going to abandon them for pretty much all bowls with the SEC/ACC. Yeah don't see it happening. Sorry but all stocked up on crazy over here.
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No offense but I will say this was idea was floated Gator, both Orlando, outback Bowl in last negotiation. Needless to say it failed, my view they were concerned about the ACC being to weak and being odd man out in the P5. I am just saying, I would not be surprise if another run happens if the ACC repeats its success the next two years. Not saying it will happen.
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(05-12-2017 12:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
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(05-11-2017 09:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 06:05 PM)PT_american Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I discussed this earlier with AC, but I think the biggest issue in the next negotions will be if the (B10, SEC and ACC) pool together like the ACC/B10 did during this bowl cycle. The B12 could be the biggest loser.

A group of bowls agree to pool tie-ins lets say (Outback, BWW, Champs, Gator, Liberty, Nashville, Pinestripe, Belk, Texas) figure most would be 9 and least would be 6 bowls.

Note this is not finish just available team to try for best matchup and avoid return trips.
Bowl 1 B10 TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-1
Bowl 2 ACC TEAM-1 vs SEC TEAM-2
Bowl 3 B10 TEAM-2 vs ACC TEAM-2
Bowl 4 B10 TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-3
Bowl 5 ACC TEAM-3 vs SEC TEAM-4
Bowl 6 B10 TEAM-4 vs ACC TEAM-4
Bowl 7 B10 TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-5
Bowl 8 ACC TEAM-5 vs SEC TEAM-6
Bowl 9 B10 TEAM-6 vs ACC TEAM-6

In this 9 bowl scenario, 6 teams from each confernce would play. These become the new Non-CFP Top Tier Bowls. With the CFP you are looking at ACC top 7 teams, SEC top 7-8 teams, B10 top 7-8 teams. Not including CFP at large. B12 loses three bowl. In the 6 bowl scenario, B12 only loses 1 (Champs)

Again, looking from an ACC perspective.
ACC 8th bowl team tries to keep P12 Sun matchup
ACC 9th bowl team tries for B12 Matchup in a Texas Area Bowl
ACC 10th bowl Military verse the AAC or Indy bowl vs MWC (Could even see the ACC do 3 years Indy/ 3 years Military)

ACC drops Detroit, St. Pete.

Good news, B12 would lose three bowls and the AAC#1 and MWC#2 could be playing there champion against a B12. Think the MWC tries to get their best team to play P12.

This is why I think the AAC would have a hard time getting into any of those 9 Non-CFP bowls. Even if it goes to six bowls, Lets say Belk, Liberty and Texas are not in the pool. I see them staying with their existing tie-ins. I could see bowls like Detroit and a couple others go away due to this bowl alliance.

Finally, before someone shouts ANTI-TRUST, currently the G5 has already such an alliance this current bowl cycle.

No way this happens. You are also cutting the PAC 12 who have a very good working relationship with the Big10. I could see some smaller deals like this but nothing this big that basically eliminates two P5 conferences.

Please note no bowl mentioned included PAC 12. I said 9 max and 6 Min, I did not say order I just said matchup. I think the six bowl makes the most sense but I showed the max since you can easily pull the six bowl scenario. As I stated, then B12 loses champs in the six bowl scenerio. PAC 12 and B12 have a bunch of bowl matchups. Also, the other B10/P12 matchups are Holiday and Foster. Note two bowls that don't have dates yet in this years Bowl schedules. Easily can see B12 to one of these bowls.

I looked over your idea and you have the top 6 Big 10 and top 6 SEC schools playing the top 6 ACC schools with 3 SEC vs Big 10 matchups.
Does the Sugar Bowl feature SEC #7 vs the Big 12 champion?
Does the Rose Bowl feature Big 10 #7 vs the PAC champion?

Sorry, when I said non-CFP bowls, I assumed AAC fans would understand the bowls that included all Bowls associated with the CFP. So to spell it out since these tie-ins don't change in the next year cycle.

ROSE B10 Champ vs PAC 12 Champ
SUGAR B12 Champ vs SEC Champ
ORANGE ACC Champ vs B10/SEC/ND
FIESTA, PEACH, COTTON (AT-LARGE & G5 CHAMP)

Guys if you want to be "P6" you might want to know the difference between CFP and Non-CFP bowls. 04-cheers

No, I'm sorry but your idea makes absolutely no sense. And btw, I don't ever do that dumb P6 stuff.
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(05-12-2017 04:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No offense but I will say this was idea was floated Gator, both Orlando, outback Bowl in last negotiation. Needless to say it failed, my view they were concerned about the ACC being to weak and being odd man out in the P5. I am just saying, I would not be surprise if another run happens if the ACC repeats its success the next two years. Not saying it will happen.

The ACC schools simply doesn't bring fans to bowls like the Big 10, SEC and Big 12. I go to bowls...it is what it is. A 6-6 Iowa St will bring 15,000 fans to the Liberty Bowl or Texas Bowl. 13 out of the 14 ACC schools would bring 100 (BC, Pitt, Wake) to 1,000 fans (the rest except Louisville) It is what it is, you guys dont travel well to bowls...at all.
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(05-12-2017 04:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No offense but I will say this was idea was floated Gator, both Orlando, outback Bowl in last negotiation. Needless to say it failed, my view they were concerned about the ACC being to weak and being odd man out in the P5. I am just saying, I would not be surprise if another run happens if the ACC repeats its success the next two years. Not saying it will happen.

The ACC schools simply doesn't bring fans to bowls like the Big 10, SEC and Big 12. I go to bowls...it is what it is. A 6-6 Iowa St will bring 15,000 fans to the Liberty Bowl or Texas Bowl. 13 out of the 14 ACC schools would bring 100 (BC, Pitt, Wake) to 1,000 fans (the rest except Louisville) It is what it is, you guys dont travel well to bowls...at all.

Hard to believe an ECU fan would make such a statement. You very well know FSU, Clemson, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU along with ND tie-in bring fans as well as Louisville. Also, bowls are more about TV sadly than fans. Miami and BC have TV draw and Duke is starting too, thanks to Cutcliffe and K. Have OU and Tx equal to FSU and Clemson. I think the remaining stack up well with the other 8 of the B12. If you recall, the 6 bowl alliance is what I recommended. B12 is dropped from the Orlando bowl. I said the 9 was the example since you could easily extract six. Again, I wish the AAC well in tie-ins Champs, Liberty or Texas bowl in the next go round.
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(05-12-2017 04:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No offense but I will say this was idea was floated Gator, both Orlando, outback Bowl in last negotiation. Needless to say it failed, my view they were concerned about the ACC being to weak and being odd man out in the P5. I am just saying, I would not be surprise if another run happens if the ACC repeats its success the next two years. Not saying it will happen.

I mean the gator and music city do have that joint deal with the ACC and Big10. Now I could see more deals like that but nothing on as wide a scale as you are suggesting. You are basically cutting the PAC and Big12 from all the deals. Just don't think that is likely at all. Maybe 3 or 4 bowls do something like that potentially. Could work and keep the games and matchups fresh. I think it makes more sense with a 4th conference though. 6 bowls so 12 teams with 3 teams from each conference. Put together the most compelling games for those 6 bowls. That would also shake up so conferences that don't play often can for fresh matchups.
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Based on the current lineup, what is the "premier" Bowl for the AAC this year?
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Go to the 11 minute mark. Craig Thompson (MWC Commissioner) wants to contract with ESPN to be the other conference in the Frisco Bowl. This would be a good move for both conferences.

Thompson says the spot will be "coveted" and fought over between the MW, MAC, and BYU.
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