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Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes. That suggestion has its pros and cons, and I suppose I could live with it. Not sure how Clemson and Florida State would feel about it.

Then I thought of another option, one that sounded crazy at first, but which is growing on me. Why not offer a deal to Wake Forest and Boston College?

Huh?

I'm not suggesting that the deal would have those schools rotate through the entire league. But what if we offered Wake guaranteed games against UNC, Duke, NC State, Syracuse every year and either UVa or Va Tech (in alternating years)? Those are schools they would want to play.

For BC, guarantee them Syracuse, Pitt, Duke and NC State, and then alternate with Wake in playing either UVa or Va Tech.

In addition, BC would get Notre Dame every year, instead of every three, while Wake wouldn't get the Irish at all. That leaves ND's commitment as playing the other 12 teams every third year (four each year plus BC).

What's in it for the Deacs and Eagles? Yes, they would lose the chance to play for the ACC championship. Recent history notwithstanding, that's probably not a big loss. But they would retain access to the ACC bowl tie-ins, and with a more reasonable schedule they would have a much better chance of becoming bowl eligible every year. Let them retain their share of conference revenues. That doesn't reduce any other member's share.

Both Wake and BC would be able to build schedules with a heavy local flavor, helping them fill their stadiums with games that matter to their fans. They could play each other plus Army and UMass every year. Wake could schedule App State and Charlotte, while BC could play UConn.

What does the ACC gain? With only 12 teams, it gets an opportunity to rearrange divisions with less pain, and could keep a balanced 8 game league slate with no crossovers, so you play OOD opponents every other year, while still allowing for (and even facilitating) games against SEC rivals. Your tentpole teams, Clemson and FSU, don't have to play Wake or BC, which aren't attractive for their fans and pull down their SOS. Ga Tech could be moved to the Coastal division where they would face both Clemson and Florida State every year.

It sounds like a lot of moving parts, but it really isn't. Nobody new has to be integrated into the league, and basketball isn't burdened with even more teams.

Like I said. Sounds crazy at first, but give it a chance to grow on you. After all, this is the time of year to fantasize while we wait for the games to begin in the Fall.
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to Texas getting an ND type deal. Or anyone else not in the ACC right now. ND (agree with it or not) is a special circumstance, and Texas is not ND. They don't have ND's east coast or national presence, nor history of independence. There's nothing really to gain but destroying the Big 12, and most likely the B1G and SEC end up stronger as a result than the ACC does by picking up OU, KU etc as full members. The "ACC or Big 12 must die" is a false paradigm.

For your other scenario...yes, I do believe if Wake and/or BC decided that they no longer wish to/can afford to play football on this level, I think your scenario could be acceptable. I do think you could see some possible addition by subtraction for ACC football, and it wouldn't totally marginalize their other programs. I think the ACC should remain open to an offer like this should BC and Wake be willing to go in this direction. Not that I expect it.
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(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes.

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I don't prefer it, but it is MUCH more valuable than Cinci, UConn, Georgetown, USF types to the ACC.

Do I prefer it? NO, but the ACC will have to make moves that make $$$.
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(05-09-2017 12:27 PM)green Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes.

[Image: touchdown_jesus.jpg]

In a perfect world for Texas (as described to me by my Big 12 guy), they would want to join the ACC as full members with… wait for it… Notre Dame.
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes. That suggestion has its pros and cons, and I suppose I could live with it. Not sure how Clemson and Florida State would feel about it.

Then I thought of another option, one that sounded crazy at first, but which is growing on me. Why not offer a deal to Wake Forest and Boston College?

Huh?

I'm not suggesting that the deal would have those schools rotate through the entire league. But what if we offered Wake guaranteed games against UNC, Duke, NC State, Syracuse every year and either UVa or Va Tech (in alternating years)? Those are schools they would want to play.

For BC, guarantee them Syracuse, Pitt, Duke and NC State, and then alternate with Wake in playing either UVa or Va Tech.

In addition, BC would get Notre Dame every year, instead of every three, while Wake wouldn't get the Irish at all. That leaves ND's commitment as playing the other 12 teams every third year (four each year plus BC).

What's in it for the Deacs and Eagles? Yes, they would lose the chance to play for the ACC championship. Recent history notwithstanding, that's probably not a big loss. But they would retain access to the ACC bowl tie-ins, and with a more reasonable schedule they would have a much better chance of becoming bowl eligible every year. Let them retain their share of conference revenues. That doesn't reduce any other member's share.

Both Wake and BC would be able to build schedules with a heavy local flavor, helping them fill their stadiums with games that matter to their fans. They could play each other plus Army and UMass every year. Wake could schedule App State and Charlotte, while BC could play UConn.

What does the ACC gain? With only 12 teams, it gets an opportunity to rearrange divisions with less pain, and could keep a balanced 8 game league slate with no crossovers, so you play OOD opponents every other year, while still allowing for (and even facilitating) games against SEC rivals. Your tentpole teams, Clemson and FSU, don't have to play Wake or BC, which aren't attractive for their fans and pull down their SOS. Ga Tech could be moved to the Coastal division where they would face both Clemson and Florida State every year.

It sounds like a lot of moving parts, but it really isn't. Nobody new has to be integrated into the league, and basketball isn't burdened with even more teams.

Like I said. Sounds crazy at first, but give it a chance to grow on you. After all, this is the time of year to fantasize while we wait for the games to begin in the Fall.

Any two of the smaller teams could work (Wake, Duke, BC, even Syracuse). If you took 2 from the Atlantic you'd have to move one team to the Coastal - but if you gave this deal to, say, Wake and Duke, all is well...
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
(05-09-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:27 PM)green Wrote:  In a perfect world for Texas (as described to me by my Big 12 guy), they would want to join the ACC as full members with… wait for it… Notre Dame.
-- frankthetank.me

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Jesus would use a reliable source.

I don’t position this blog as a newsbreaking site, but I have heard from a knowledgeable person with extensive contacts with current and former Big 12 members (i.e. knew specific details about Nebraska heading to the Big Ten and Texas A&M to the SEC beforehand that couldn’t have been simply guessed from the news) that basically had this to say: Oklahoma isn’t happy with the Big 12 and wants to get out.
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)green Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:27 PM)green Wrote:  In a perfect world for Texas (as described to me by my Big 12 guy), they would want to join the ACC as full members with… wait for it… Notre Dame.
-- frankthetank.me

the choice is not theirs to make ...

WWTJD (WHAT WOULD TOUCHDOWN JESUS DO)

Jesus would use a reliable source.

I don’t position this blog as a newsbreaking site, but I have heard from a knowledgeable person with extensive contacts with current and former Big 12 members (i.e. knew specific details about Nebraska heading to the Big Ten and Texas A&M to the SEC beforehand that couldn’t have been simply guessed from the news) that basically had this to say: Oklahoma isn’t happy with the Big 12 and wants to get out.
-- frankthetank.me July 29, 2015

couple of years before finebaum's bombshell ...

GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE

People have been saying that for years.

And if you say everything all the time.....


Nothing against Frank - he's a great poster and a nice guy - but I don't even think that he calls himself an expert at anything other than accounting and possibly tax law.
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
(05-09-2017 04:19 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)green Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:27 PM)green Wrote:  In a perfect world for Texas (as described to me by my Big 12 guy), they would want to join the ACC as full members with… wait for it… Notre Dame.
-- frankthetank.me

the choice is not theirs to make ...

WWTJD (WHAT WOULD TOUCHDOWN JESUS DO)

Jesus would use a reliable source.

I don’t position this blog as a newsbreaking site, but I have heard from a knowledgeable person with extensive contacts with current and former Big 12 members (i.e. knew specific details about Nebraska heading to the Big Ten and Texas A&M to the SEC beforehand that couldn’t have been simply guessed from the news) that basically had this to say: Oklahoma isn’t happy with the Big 12 and wants to get out.
-- frankthetank.me July 29, 2015

couple of years before finebaum's bombshell ...

GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE

People have been saying that for years.

And if you say everything all the time.....


Nothing against Frank - he's a great poster and a nice guy - but I don't even think that he calls himself an expert at anything other than accounting and possibly tax law.

document ...
or it didn't happen ...

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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
(05-09-2017 04:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 04:19 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)green Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:27 PM)green Wrote:  In a perfect world for Texas (as described to me by my Big 12 guy), they would want to join the ACC as full members with… wait for it… Notre Dame.
-- frankthetank.me

the choice is not theirs to make ...

WWTJD (WHAT WOULD TOUCHDOWN JESUS DO)

Jesus would use a reliable source.

I don’t position this blog as a newsbreaking site, but I have heard from a knowledgeable person with extensive contacts with current and former Big 12 members (i.e. knew specific details about Nebraska heading to the Big Ten and Texas A&M to the SEC beforehand that couldn’t have been simply guessed from the news) that basically had this to say: Oklahoma isn’t happy with the Big 12 and wants to get out.
-- frankthetank.me July 29, 2015

couple of years before finebaum's bombshell ...

GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE

People have been saying that for years.

And if you say everything all the time.....


Nothing against Frank - he's a great poster and a nice guy - but I don't even think that he calls himself an expert at anything other than accounting and possibly tax law.

document ...
or it didn't happen ...

SAY SAY SAY WHAT YOU WANT

No problem. Go through my old posts. I've said that OU had eyes many times before last week. And I assure you that I don't know anything that isn't common knowledge and/or that can't be found in a book.
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No. Using your Wake Forest example: you are essentially relegating them to FCS status. Maybe G5 status (is it G4 now that the AAC has declared themselves a P6 conference??).

Forcing a few schools to schedule them is an unfair burden. NC State has a semi-regular series with ECU and ND. Now you are talking about moving Wake and BC to the OOC schedule.
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(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes. That suggestion has its pros and cons, and I suppose I could live with it. Not sure how Clemson and Florida State would feel about it.

Then I thought of another option, one that sounded crazy at first, but which is growing on me. Why not offer a deal to Wake Forest and Boston College?

Huh?

I'm not suggesting that the deal would have those schools rotate through the entire league. But what if we offered Wake guaranteed games against UNC, Duke, NC State, Syracuse every year and either UVa or Va Tech (in alternating years)? Those are schools they would want to play.

For BC, guarantee them Syracuse, Pitt, Duke and NC State, and then alternate with Wake in playing either UVa or Va Tech.

In addition, BC would get Notre Dame every year, instead of every three, while Wake wouldn't get the Irish at all. That leaves ND's commitment as playing the other 12 teams every third year (four each year plus BC).

What's in it for the Deacs and Eagles? Yes, they would lose the chance to play for the ACC championship. Recent history notwithstanding, that's probably not a big loss. But they would retain access to the ACC bowl tie-ins, and with a more reasonable schedule they would have a much better chance of becoming bowl eligible every year. Let them retain their share of conference revenues. That doesn't reduce any other member's share.

Both Wake and BC would be able to build schedules with a heavy local flavor, helping them fill their stadiums with games that matter to their fans. They could play each other plus Army and UMass every year. Wake could schedule App State and Charlotte, while BC could play UConn.

What does the ACC gain? With only 12 teams, it gets an opportunity to rearrange divisions with less pain, and could keep a balanced 8 game league slate with no crossovers, so you play OOD opponents every other year, while still allowing for (and even facilitating) games against SEC rivals. Your tentpole teams, Clemson and FSU, don't have to play Wake or BC, which aren't attractive for their fans and pull down their SOS. Ga Tech could be moved to the Coastal division where they would face both Clemson and Florida State every year.

It sounds like a lot of moving parts, but it really isn't. Nobody new has to be integrated into the league, and basketball isn't burdened with even more teams.

Like I said. Sounds crazy at first, but give it a chance to grow on you. After all, this is the time of year to fantasize while we wait for the games to begin in the Fall.

If Notre Dame intends to stay semi-independent through the current contract, Texas with a Notre Dame type deal makes sense.
I think we could add one more permanent team (Cincinnati or West Virginia) and play with pods of 5.
Omni has already worked out the schedule.
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I am not partial to partial memberships but I am impartial to ND partial membership.
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(05-09-2017 12:27 PM)green Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes.

[Image: touchdown_jesus.jpg]

In a perfect world for Texas (as described to me by my Big 12 guy), they would want to join the ACC as full members with… wait for it… Notre Dame.
-- frankthetank.me

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(05-09-2017 07:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes. That suggestion has its pros and cons, and I suppose I could live with it. Not sure how Clemson and Florida State would feel about it.

Then I thought of another option, one that sounded crazy at first, but which is growing on me. Why not offer a deal to Wake Forest and Boston College?

Huh?

I'm not suggesting that the deal would have those schools rotate through the entire league. But what if we offered Wake guaranteed games against UNC, Duke, NC State, Syracuse every year and either UVa or Va Tech (in alternating years)? Those are schools they would want to play.

For BC, guarantee them Syracuse, Pitt, Duke and NC State, and then alternate with Wake in playing either UVa or Va Tech.

In addition, BC would get Notre Dame every year, instead of every three, while Wake wouldn't get the Irish at all. That leaves ND's commitment as playing the other 12 teams every third year (four each year plus BC).

What's in it for the Deacs and Eagles? Yes, they would lose the chance to play for the ACC championship. Recent history notwithstanding, that's probably not a big loss. But they would retain access to the ACC bowl tie-ins, and with a more reasonable schedule they would have a much better chance of becoming bowl eligible every year. Let them retain their share of conference revenues. That doesn't reduce any other member's share.

Both Wake and BC would be able to build schedules with a heavy local flavor, helping them fill their stadiums with games that matter to their fans. They could play each other plus Army and UMass every year. Wake could schedule App State and Charlotte, while BC could play UConn.

What does the ACC gain? With only 12 teams, it gets an opportunity to rearrange divisions with less pain, and could keep a balanced 8 game league slate with no crossovers, so you play OOD opponents every other year, while still allowing for (and even facilitating) games against SEC rivals. Your tentpole teams, Clemson and FSU, don't have to play Wake or BC, which aren't attractive for their fans and pull down their SOS. Ga Tech could be moved to the Coastal division where they would face both Clemson and Florida State every year.

It sounds like a lot of moving parts, but it really isn't. Nobody new has to be integrated into the league, and basketball isn't burdened with even more teams.

Like I said. Sounds crazy at first, but give it a chance to grow on you. After all, this is the time of year to fantasize while we wait for the games to begin in the Fall.

Since Notre Dame intends to stay football independent through the current contract, Texas with a Notre Dame type deal makes sense.
I think we could add one more permanent team (Cincinnati or West Virginia) and play with pods of 5.
Omni has already worked out the schedule.

Yep. Fixed.
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(05-10-2017 11:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 07:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes. That suggestion has its pros and cons, and I suppose I could live with it. Not sure how Clemson and Florida State would feel about it.

Then I thought of another option, one that sounded crazy at first, but which is growing on me. Why not offer a deal to Wake Forest and Boston College?

Huh?

I'm not suggesting that the deal would have those schools rotate through the entire league. But what if we offered Wake guaranteed games against UNC, Duke, NC State, Syracuse every year and either UVa or Va Tech (in alternating years)? Those are schools they would want to play.

For BC, guarantee them Syracuse, Pitt, Duke and NC State, and then alternate with Wake in playing either UVa or Va Tech.

In addition, BC would get Notre Dame every year, instead of every three, while Wake wouldn't get the Irish at all. That leaves ND's commitment as playing the other 12 teams every third year (four each year plus BC).

What's in it for the Deacs and Eagles? Yes, they would lose the chance to play for the ACC championship. Recent history notwithstanding, that's probably not a big loss. But they would retain access to the ACC bowl tie-ins, and with a more reasonable schedule they would have a much better chance of becoming bowl eligible every year. Let them retain their share of conference revenues. That doesn't reduce any other member's share.

Both Wake and BC would be able to build schedules with a heavy local flavor, helping them fill their stadiums with games that matter to their fans. They could play each other plus Army and UMass every year. Wake could schedule App State and Charlotte, while BC could play UConn.

What does the ACC gain? With only 12 teams, it gets an opportunity to rearrange divisions with less pain, and could keep a balanced 8 game league slate with no crossovers, so you play OOD opponents every other year, while still allowing for (and even facilitating) games against SEC rivals. Your tentpole teams, Clemson and FSU, don't have to play Wake or BC, which aren't attractive for their fans and pull down their SOS. Ga Tech could be moved to the Coastal division where they would face both Clemson and Florida State every year.

It sounds like a lot of moving parts, but it really isn't. Nobody new has to be integrated into the league, and basketball isn't burdened with even more teams.

Like I said. Sounds crazy at first, but give it a chance to grow on you. After all, this is the time of year to fantasize while we wait for the games to begin in the Fall.

Since Notre Dame intends to stay football independent through the current contract, Texas with a Notre Dame type deal makes sense.
I think we could add one more permanent team (West Virginia) and play with pods of 5.
Omni has already worked out the schedule.

Yep. Fixed.

Fixed.
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(05-09-2017 07:36 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. Using your Wake Forest example: you are essentially relegating them to FCS status. Maybe G5 status (is it G4 now that the AAC has declared themselves a P6 conference??).

Forcing a few schools to schedule them is an unfair burden. NC State has a semi-regular series with ECU and ND. Now you are talking about moving Wake and BC to the OOC schedule.

I'm not suggesting forcing anybody to do anything. I am suggesting a negotiated arrangement in which all the parties might come out better than they are now.

The tradeoffs, in NC State's case, would be that they would get annual games against UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia, Va Tech, Miami and Boston College, would not have to play both Clemson and Florida State in the same year, and could have ECU every third year in a rotation with Notre Dame and a school of their choosing plus their annual FCS opponent. IMO, that schedule would likely result in more bowl appearances on average than they get now, and would be more attractive to its fans.

Personally, when I was a season ticket holder, I would have liked to see Virginia, Va Tech and Duke 7 times each every 7 years instead of once each. Not all State fans would agree with me on that. But then, I'm a big fan of local rivalries, because I think they help fill stadiums.

I admit I was trying to look out a little for ECU, by making it possible for them to rotate UNC, State and Va Tech every three years. I was also trying to look out for Clemson, giving them a possible three year rotation of Auburn, Georgia and Notre Dame without having to sacrifice one of their buy game opportunities (unless an attractive Kickoff Game becomes available).

But, unless everybody sees themselves as better off than they are now, there's little chance of it happening.
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
Um.....no.
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RE: Could/should ACC give other schools a ND type deal for FB?
(05-09-2017 12:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  A frequent suggestion on this forum is to give Texas a Notre Dame type deal to bring them under the ACC umbrella. They already have a separate TV contract with the LHN, and would want to keep the option of scheduling heavily in their home state for recruiting purposes. That suggestion has its pros and cons, and I suppose I could live with it. Not sure how Clemson and Florida State would feel about it.

Then I thought of another option, one that sounded crazy at first, but which is growing on me. Why not offer a deal to Wake Forest and Boston College?

Huh?

I'm not suggesting that the deal would have those schools rotate through the entire league. But what if we offered Wake guaranteed games against UNC, Duke, NC State, Syracuse every year and either UVa or Va Tech (in alternating years)? Those are schools they would want to play.

For BC, guarantee them Syracuse, Pitt, Duke and NC State, and then alternate with Wake in playing either UVa or Va Tech.

In addition, BC would get Notre Dame every year, instead of every three, while Wake wouldn't get the Irish at all. That leaves ND's commitment as playing the other 12 teams every third year (four each year plus BC).

What's in it for the Deacs and Eagles? Yes, they would lose the chance to play for the ACC championship. Recent history notwithstanding, that's probably not a big loss. But they would retain access to the ACC bowl tie-ins, and with a more reasonable schedule they would have a much better chance of becoming bowl eligible every year. Let them retain their share of conference revenues. That doesn't reduce any other member's share.

Both Wake and BC would be able to build schedules with a heavy local flavor, helping them fill their stadiums with games that matter to their fans. They could play each other plus Army and UMass every year. Wake could schedule App State and Charlotte, while BC could play UConn.

What does the ACC gain? With only 12 teams, it gets an opportunity to rearrange divisions with less pain, and could keep a balanced 8 game league slate with no crossovers, so you play OOD opponents every other year, while still allowing for (and even facilitating) games against SEC rivals. Your tentpole teams, Clemson and FSU, don't have to play Wake or BC, which aren't attractive for their fans and pull down their SOS. Ga Tech could be moved to the Coastal division where they would face both Clemson and Florida State every year.

It sounds like a lot of moving parts, but it really isn't. Nobody new has to be integrated into the league, and basketball isn't burdened with even more teams.

Like I said. Sounds crazy at first, but give it a chance to grow on you. After all, this is the time of year to fantasize while we wait for the games to begin in the Fall.

Definitely not in favor of this.
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