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Article about CUSA TV (Sinclair buying Tribune)
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mars...nteresting

Maybe I misread but if ASN (Sinclair) and BEIN are wanting to pullout, there is not a whole lot left. Liberty may be seing more independents joining them in football.
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(05-08-2017 09:34 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mars...nteresting

Maybe I misread but if ASN (Sinclair) and BEIN are wanting to pullout, there is not a whole lot left. Liberty may be seing more independents joining them in football.

I think this could be correct eventually. It seems like there will less and less incentive to playing in G5 conferences - certainly far flung G5's. Maybe something like a "G5 bowl alliance" appears.
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Maybe if football (conferences) could be split apart from the rest of the sports (separate conferences), then you could talk either about more football independents or reorganization of new football-only conferences, at the G5 level.

But I still think you're only talking about a few programs -- Marshall, S Miss are probably good examples -- that aren't happy with how their current situation is degrading, and feeling left behind on the TV side of things.
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The CFP contract is paying CUSA $10 million plus 300k in academic money for a qualifying APR per school. Base payout.

All G5 conferences are picking up the majority of their TV money from the CFP. Yes this includes the AAC who picks up enough in the bonus pool typically to exceed the 1.8 mil per team its earnings from its conference deal.

There is a risk if they try to split and form smaller conferences they won't be invited back into the CFP and lose all of the TV money to go with.

The biggest advantage of CUSA over the SBC is that its membership has richer traditions in men's basketball. UTEP, WKU, UAB and Charlotte have all been to the Final 4 and MTSU has been a top mid major for a while now.

I'd recommend CUSA continuing the basketball focus and add New Mexico St. plus Missouri St. who isn't getting a backfill for the Wichita departure from MVC leadership. It makes CUSA basketball more interesting with yet another former Final Four program and more competitive for 2 bids.

Then approach Fox or NBC to get a national TV package even if its not a lot of revenue initially at least its exposure for recruiting. CUSA succeeds in hoops and there will be more income from the NCAA tournament.

This is what I would do. Make CUSA basketball great again.
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RE: Article about CUSA TV (Sinclair buying Tribune)
(05-08-2017 09:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  But I still think you're only talking about a few programs -- Marshall, S Miss are probably good examples -- that aren't happy with how their current situation is degrading, and feeling left behind on the TV side of things.
Marshall may be unhappy with the way things are devolving on the TV side of things, but they are a better fit for the CUSA East than for life as an independent.

And which non-FB conference would offer their Olympic sports a home?
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RE: Article about CUSA TV (Sinclair buying Tribune)
Given that Tribune owns WGN, could Sinclair use WGN to boost its sports portfolio? Most of the G5 won't have any local interest in the Chicago area (aside form the MAC), but Sinclair could use WGN's cable carriage to put games in front of a national audience
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RE: Article about CUSA TV (Sinclair buying Tribune)
(05-08-2017 10:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 09:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  But I still think you're only talking about a few programs -- Marshall, S Miss are probably good examples -- that aren't happy with how their current situation is degrading, and feeling left behind on the TV side of things.
Marshall may be unhappy with the way things are devolving on the TV side of things, but they are a better fit for the CUSA East than for life as an independent.

And which non-FB conference would offer their Olympic sports a home?

They go from the $1 million a year of CFP money to nothing as an Independent. That's the biggest revenue source and a revenue source that is likely to grow in the future.

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If a G5 school wants to become a football indy, their CFP revenue goes down. If it's the same pool for non-Notre Dame indies of less than a million no matter how many indies, then if there were, say, 6 more indies, that's 9 indy teams each getting about $100,000 plus the $300,000 for a minimum APR, meaning a team leaving CUSA would lose more than $600,000/year.

Plus, it becomes much more expensive if each indy has to pay an exit fee when leaving their G5 conference. IIRC, at the time BYU left the Mountain West, there was no exit fee.

Could a team make up the difference by selling more football tickets? If, as an indy, they sold 30,000 more tickets each year (average of 5,000 more per game) at average price of $25/each, that's $750,000 and would make up for the decrease in CFP money. And if going indy doesn't sell more football tickets, then maybe it's not such a good idea.
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(05-08-2017 11:07 AM)Wedge Wrote:  If a G5 school wants to become a football indy, their CFP revenue goes down. If it's the same pool for non-Notre Dame indies of less than a million no matter how many indies, then if there were, say, 6 more indies, that's 9 indy teams each getting about $100,000 plus the $300,000 for a minimum APR, meaning a team leaving CUSA would lose more than $600,000/year.

Plus, it becomes much more expensive if each indy has to pay an exit fee when leaving their G5 conference. IIRC, at the time BYU left the Mountain West, there was no exit fee.

Could a team make up the difference by selling more football tickets? If, as an indy, they sold 30,000 more tickets each year (average of 5,000 more per game) at average price of $25/each, that's $750,000 and would make up for the decrease in CFP money. And if going indy doesn't sell more football tickets, then maybe it's not such a good idea.

That's right they would still be able to get the APR money.

But when the next CFP deal is signed which I predict will double in value at the expense of P5 TV deals it will also double the money going to the G5. Marshall will be left out of that revenue growth.
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RE: Article about CUSA TV (Sinclair buying Tribune)
(05-08-2017 09:34 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mars...nteresting

Maybe I misread but if ASN (Sinclair) and BEIN are wanting to pullout, there is not a whole lot left. Liberty may be seing more independents joining them in football.

I don't think so. Regardless of the TV situation, there is not a lot about an indy future that is attractive to a G5 school. As national TV contracts become a non-factor in conference composition---then conferences will begin to look more like they did prior to 1984 when Tv and "TV markets" began to drive realignment. An east coast G5 conference and a Texas based G5 conference are almost a certainty if the TV dollars continue to fall for some of the G5's. Im fairly sure CUSA could still make $200K (probably more) per school as a regional conference with a region TV deal. If that's all the TV money that's going to be there on a national level, then the whole reason for being in a conference with teams spread across half a continent is pretty much eliminated. And before anyone gets all defensive, if the AAC money were to drop to that kind of level---I'd say the AAC wouldn't make sense anymore as well.
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(05-08-2017 10:54 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Given that Tribune owns WGN, could Sinclair use WGN to boost its sports portfolio? Most of the G5 won't have any local interest in the Chicago area (aside form the MAC), but Sinclair could use WGN's cable carriage to put games in front of a national audience

WGN America is now a totally separate network from the local WGN Chicago station - the former is no longer a superstation feed, so it now shares very little programming with the latter.

The biggest impact of transitioning from superstation to separate network was that, by FCC rule, WGN America could no longer carry Cubs, White Sox and Bulls games that were produced by WGN Chicago nationally. TBS made this transition several years ago, which is why it no longer carries Braves games. Regardless, that was a deliberate choice to drop sports from WGN. (I wouldn't say that it was a wise choice considering that the Cubs then went on a tear in 2015 and 2016, with the culmination of winning the World Series, and their games would have clearly been the highest rated programs on network over the past couple of years.) If WGN was willing to drop its ability to broadcast MLB and NBA games nationally for a fraction of the price that ESPN, Fox and Turner are paying for those rights (particularly with the Cubs and Bulls perennially being 2 of the most popular choices for those national TV packages on top of it), then they aren't even going to bother with lower level sports programming.
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Unless Wiki is wrong, it appears WGN Sports is owned now by Sinclair as well.

WGN Sports is the programming division of WGN-TV (channel 9), an independent television station located in Chicago, Illinois, United States – which is owned by the Tribune Broadcasting subsidiary of Tribune Media – that is responsible for all sports broadcasts on the station, some of which were previously also broadcast on its former national superstation feed WGN America.
In the Chicago market, WGN-produced telecasts of Chicago Cubs, White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks, Fire games also occasionally air on independent station WCIU-TV (channel 26), under the brand "WGN Sports on The U", and The CW affiliated/MyNetworkTV owned-and-operated station WPWR-TV (channel 50), under the brand "WGN Sports on My50". Game telecasts produced by WGN-TV are also syndicated to television stations in Illinois, Indiana and Iowa.
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An independent not named Notre Dame could go 12-0 and be rated #5 and end up filling in for a vacant spot in the Arizona Bowl while an unranked champion from G5 goes to the Access Bowl if they are the top rated league champ.

Couple that with the reduced CFP money and its not pretty for G5 independents.
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(05-08-2017 11:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 10:54 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Given that Tribune owns WGN, could Sinclair use WGN to boost its sports portfolio? Most of the G5 won't have any local interest in the Chicago area (aside form the MAC), but Sinclair could use WGN's cable carriage to put games in front of a national audience

WGN America is now a totally separate network from the local WGN Chicago station - the former is no longer a superstation feed, so it now shares very little programming with the latter.

The biggest impact of transitioning from superstation to separate network was that, by FCC rule, WGN America could no longer carry Cubs, White Sox and Bulls games that were produced by WGN Chicago nationally. TBS made this transition several years ago, which is why it no longer carries Braves games. Regardless, that was a deliberate choice to drop sports from WGN. (I wouldn't say that it was a wise choice considering that the Cubs then went on a tear in 2015 and 2016, with the culmination of winning the World Series, and their games would have clearly been the highest rated programs on network over the past couple of years.) If WGN was willing to drop its ability to broadcast MLB and NBA games nationally for a fraction of the price that ESPN, Fox and Turner are paying for those rights (particularly with the Cubs and Bulls perennially being 2 of the most popular choices for those national TV packages on top of it), then they aren't even going to bother with lower level sports programming.
Frank, why do you think Tribune made the decision they did and drop sports from the national feed?

It seems really dumb as that was really the only reason the majority of non Chicagoans watched WGN America
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Basically, the leagues (primarily MLB) made that decision for them. If WGN wanted to show games nationally, WGN was going to have to bid on them like the four-letter network, Fox, and Turner. The teams outside Chicago and Atlanta (and to a lesser extent New York with WOR) didn't like those teams having their "regional" telecasts on national television.
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g-5 decides on ind FB, & all thier revenue streams improves
Marshall, UMass, NMST sell FB rights to LHN & play schools in networks viewing area
for that fact sign C-USA west
would that make up for lost TV money
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(05-08-2017 12:56 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Basically, the leagues (primarily MLB) made that decision for them. If WGN wanted to show games nationally, WGN was going to have to bid on them like the four-letter network, Fox, and Turner. The teams outside Chicago and Atlanta (and to a lesser extent New York with WOR) didn't like those teams having their "regional" telecasts on national television.

Actually, this isn't true. WGN was grandfathered in, so they would have been allowed to keep Cubs, White Sox and Bulls games on a national superstation feed and only need to pay local TV rights fees (with a comparatively modest superstation surcharge) into perpetuity as long as it kept superstation status.

(Note that there is a fairly important sports law case from the 1990s involving superstations, where the NBA actually sued WGN and the Bulls to try to eliminate superstation games. This was during the Michael Jordan Bulls dynasty, so Bulls games on WGN were often getting higher ratings than the NBA's national TV games that didn't involve the Bulls and teams' respective local packages in their own local markets. The Bulls and WGN won that case for the most part - they were allowed to continue showing games on the superstation, although the NBA could subject them to a reasonable cap, which ended up being 20 superstation games per year.)

In response to solohawks's question, there were ownership and leadership changes at WGN America (as the publishing and broadcasting arms of Tribune split apart) where they wanted to get a higher cable subscriber fee. There were structural and legal limitations to how much WGN could charge as a superstation, so it transitioned to becoming a basic channel with a new focus on original programming, which also required dropping sports due to FCC rules. I'm not saying that this was a wise decision (and it's instructive that the person who made this decision is no longer at the company), but it is what it is.
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(05-08-2017 02:30 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 12:56 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Basically, the leagues (primarily MLB) made that decision for them. If WGN wanted to show games nationally, WGN was going to have to bid on them like the four-letter network, Fox, and Turner. The teams outside Chicago and Atlanta (and to a lesser extent New York with WOR) didn't like those teams having their "regional" telecasts on national television.

Actually, this isn't true. WGN was grandfathered in, so they would have been allowed to keep Cubs, White Sox and Bulls games on a national superstation feed and only need to pay local TV rights fees (with a comparatively modest superstation surcharge) into perpetuity as long as it kept superstation status.

(Note that there is a fairly important sports law case from the 1990s involving superstations, where the NBA actually sued WGN and the Bulls to try to eliminate superstation games. This was during the Michael Jordan Bulls dynasty, so Bulls games on WGN were often getting higher ratings than the NBA's national TV games that didn't involve the Bulls and teams' respective local packages in their own local markets. The Bulls and WGN won that case for the most part - they were allowed to continue showing games on the superstation, although the NBA could subject them to a reasonable cap, which ended up being 20 superstation games per year.)

In response to solohawks's question, there were ownership and leadership changes at WGN America (as the publishing and broadcasting arms of Tribune split apart) where they wanted to get a higher cable subscriber fee. There were structural and legal limitations to how much WGN could charge as a superstation, so it transitioned to becoming a basic channel with a new focus on original programming, which also required dropping sports due to FCC rules. I'm not saying that this was a wise decision (and it's instructive that the person who made this decision is no longer at the company), but it is what it is.

Interesting...so superstations cant charge as much as a regular cable channel? I would have thought their original programming plus MLB would have been a good 1 2 punch. Were they hoping to get into the TNT range or something because if they weren't it seems like a dumb decision that they cannot undo
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(05-08-2017 10:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 09:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  But I still think you're only talking about a few programs -- Marshall, S Miss are probably good examples -- that aren't happy with how their current situation is degrading, and feeling left behind on the TV side of things.
Marshall may be unhappy with the way things are devolving on the TV side of things, but they are a better fit for the CUSA East than for life as an independent.

And which non-FB conference would offer their Olympic sports a home?
Marshall could probably get an invitation to the Horizon League if they wanted it.
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(05-08-2017 09:34 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mars...nteresting

Maybe I misread but if ASN (Sinclair) and BEIN are wanting to pullout, there is not a whole lot left. Liberty may be seing more independents joining them in football.

The writer now states that BEIN still wants to be associated with C-USA. If his source was incorrect on BEIN's intentions, I hope they were also incorrect on ASN.
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Doug Smock‏ @dougsmock · 11h11 hours ago

Update on my Monday column: An official from beIN Sports contacted me and says that network still wants to play ball with C-USA.
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