(05-08-2017 06:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 05:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 05:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:37 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  It seems that you guys are discussing 2 different things. NZ is talking about basketball championships only. I think Kaplony is talking about total championships among all sports.

Exactly. We aren't bringing in just their basketball program.

But color me not surprised that the only thing a Syracuse fan thinks about is basketball.

Color me surprised that a Clemson fan suddenly cares about Olympic sports in the context of a school bringing money into a conference.

But while we're taking shots, color me unsurprised that a t-shirt Clemson fan doesn't know the difference between the world program and department. Admittedly, I didn't specify which program, but given that we're discussing money, and Georgetown doesn't field a FBS football program, I assumed that my statement had the subtlety of a very large dinosaur using a sledge hammer.

The pennies they'll bring in aren't worth the damage that they'll do to the other sports. God knows the RPI hit our baseball programs would take with them in the fold. The current lowest rpi team in the ACC is Virginia Tech at 126. Georgetown is 191 and very likely will be 200+ before the end of the season.

"Who needs millions of dollars when we can avoid a slight OOC scheduling inconvenience in a 3rd tier sport that's waning in popularity?"

I'll remember that next time you complain about ACC football :)

(05-08-2017 07:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 05:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 05:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:37 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  It seems that you guys are discussing 2 different things. NZ is talking about basketball championships only. I think Kaplony is talking about total championships among all sports.

Exactly. We aren't bringing in just their basketball program.

But color me not surprised that the only thing a Syracuse fan thinks about is basketball.

Color me surprised that a Clemson fan suddenly cares about Olympic sports in the context of a school bringing money into a conference.

But while we're taking shots, color me unsurprised that a t-shirt Clemson fan doesn't know the difference between the world program and department. Admittedly, I didn't specify which program, but given that we're discussing money, and Georgetown doesn't field a FBS football program, I assumed that my statement had the subtlety of a very large dinosaur using a sledge hammer.

The pennies they'll bring in aren't worth the damage that they'll do to the other sports. God knows the RPI hit our baseball programs would take with them in the fold. The current lowest rpi team in the ACC is Virginia Tech at 126. Georgetown is 191 and very likely will be 200+ before the end of the season.

"Who needs millions of dollars when we can avoid a slight OOC scheduling inconvenience in a 3rd tier sport that's waning in popularity?"

I'll remember that next time you complain about ACC football :)

You got a link to the millions that adding Georgetown would bring in?

No? Figured as much.

(05-08-2017 08:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 05:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 05:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Exactly. We aren't bringing in just their basketball program.

But color me not surprised that the only thing a Syracuse fan thinks about is basketball.

Color me surprised that a Clemson fan suddenly cares about Olympic sports in the context of a school bringing money into a conference.

But while we're taking shots, color me unsurprised that a t-shirt Clemson fan doesn't know the difference between the world program and department. Admittedly, I didn't specify which program, but given that we're discussing money, and Georgetown doesn't field a FBS football program, I assumed that my statement had the subtlety of a very large dinosaur using a sledge hammer.

The pennies they'll bring in aren't worth the damage that they'll do to the other sports. God knows the RPI hit our baseball programs would take with them in the fold. The current lowest rpi team in the ACC is Virginia Tech at 126. Georgetown is 191 and very likely will be 200+ before the end of the season.

"Who needs millions of dollars when we can avoid a slight OOC scheduling inconvenience in a 3rd tier sport that's waning in popularity?"

I'll remember that next time you complain about ACC football :)

You got a link to the millions that adding Georgetown would bring in?

No? Figured as much.

I actually do.

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...-MWC.aspx?

Georgetown is the top value school in a conference that makes something like $1.25 MM more than we do for the sports in which they compete, despite having a shorter contract. And that calc doesn't take into account existing rivalries and potential rivalries.

I get it though, you care about Olympic sports and don't care about revenue. Are you sure you aren't a closet UNC fan?

(05-08-2017 07:27 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The ACCN would be on in Ohio & selling advertising throughout the state & aided by ND & Louisville. As a 16 & bridge they aren't bad. Who else would be better that's not in the B12?

Who cares what ESPN wants? We are stuck with them until the 2030's!

ESPN and Fox are "pushing back" against Big 12 expansion because the schools being mentioned as the most likely additions will make the league less valuable.
-- cbssports

bigger isn't always better ...
the word's out ...
espn put the kibosh on cincinnati ...
when only the best will do ...
wait for tomorrow ...

A BRIDGE TOO FAR

(05-09-2017 10:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:27 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The ACCN would be on in Ohio & selling advertising throughout the state & aided by ND & Louisville. As a 16 & bridge they aren't bad. Who else would be better that's not in the B12?

Who cares what ESPN wants? We are stuck with them until the 2030's!

ESPN and Fox are "pushing back" against Big 12 expansion because the schools being mentioned as the most likely additions will make the league less valuable.
-- cbssports

bigger isn't always better ...
the word's out ...
espn put the kibosh on cincinnati ...
when only the best will do ...
wait for tomorrow ...

A BRIDGE TOO FAR

Agreed. I also don't think that UC fits the ACC well.

I do genuinely hope that they end up on a power conference - just not ours.

(05-08-2017 07:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The minor hit to baseball would add a University of great stature. It would also bring the ACC to six lacrosse programs. In hoops it would reignite one of the biggest hoop rivalries.

The only people who care about your Georgetown rivalry are Syracuse fans.

So we are going to screw over every other Olympic sport so Syracuse has one less reason to leave NY for non-con basketball games and get an autobid in a non-revenue sport that we don't need? Hurt national sports to prop up a regional one......makes perfect sense.

Yes..let's have a guy who knows little about college hoops define which rivalries register to the national college basketball fan base as being important.

Sorry but college lacrosse is much easier to watch on TV than college baseball. The growth of college lacrosse over the last 15 years has blown away every other college sport.

https://newwavelax.wordpress.com/2015/11...al-growth/

(05-09-2017 12:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The minor hit to baseball would add a University of great stature. It would also bring the ACC to six lacrosse programs. In hoops it would reignite one of the biggest hoop rivalries.

The only people who care about your Georgetown rivalry are Syracuse fans.

So we are going to screw over every other Olympic sport so Syracuse has one less reason to leave NY for non-con basketball games and get an autobid in a non-revenue sport that we don't need? Hurt national sports to prop up a regional one......makes perfect sense.

Yes..let's have a guy who knows little about college hoops define which rivalries register to the national college basketball fan base as being important.

Sorry but college lacrosse is much easier to watch on TV than college baseball. The growth of college lacrosse over the last 15 years has blown away every other college sport.

https://newwavelax.wordpress.com/2015/11...al-growth/

69 teams with the vast majority of them in the Mid-Atlantic and New England.

Regional niche sport.

(05-09-2017 01:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 12:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The minor hit to baseball would add a University of great stature. It would also bring the ACC to six lacrosse programs. In hoops it would reignite one of the biggest hoop rivalries.

The only people who care about your Georgetown rivalry are Syracuse fans.

So we are going to screw over every other Olympic sport so Syracuse has one less reason to leave NY for non-con basketball games and get an autobid in a non-revenue sport that we don't need? Hurt national sports to prop up a regional one......makes perfect sense.

Yes..let's have a guy who knows little about college hoops define which rivalries register to the national college basketball fan base as being important.

Sorry but college lacrosse is much easier to watch on TV than college baseball. The growth of college lacrosse over the last 15 years has blown away every other college sport.

https://newwavelax.wordpress.com/2015/11...al-growth/

69 teams with the vast majority of them in the Mid-Atlantic and New England.

Regional niche sport.

Or the fastest growing sport in the nation located in the ACC footprint?

Don't worry...you can still watch your baseball and I'll watch my Lacrosse.

fastest, but no $$$$ there.

(05-09-2017 02:00 PM)nole Wrote:  fastest, but no $$$$ there.

Exactly.

And if your wife has twins, your family is growing "faster than" Houston.

(05-09-2017 02:00 PM)nole Wrote:  fastest, but no $$$$ there.

And baseball is a cash cow?

We all know that only Football and Basketball earns any tangible amount of money.

(05-09-2017 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 02:00 PM)nole Wrote:  fastest, but no $$$$ there.

And baseball is a cash cow?

We all know that only Football and Basketball earns any tangible amount of money.

No it isn't. I never said it was.

There is football, then a little bball and the rest is pennies.

(05-09-2017 03:23 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  And baseball is a cash cow?

We all know that only Football and Basketball earns any tangible amount of money.

No it isn't. I never said it was.

There is football, then a little bball and the rest is pennies.

For basketball, which accounts for about 20 percent of television monies
-- david teel

80/20 RULE

(05-09-2017 10:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:27 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The ACCN would be on in Ohio & selling advertising throughout the state & aided by ND & Louisville. As a 16 & bridge they aren't bad. Who else would be better that's not in the B12?

Who cares what ESPN wants? We are stuck with them until the 2030's!

ESPN and Fox are "pushing back" against Big 12 expansion because the schools being mentioned as the most likely additions will make the league less valuable.
-- cbssports

bigger isn't always better ...
the word's out ...
espn put the kibosh on cincinnati ...
when only the best will do ...
wait for tomorrow ...

A BRIDGE TOO FAR

The ACC isn't the B12 & the ACC wouldn't be adding a group from the G5. In this scenario they would be #16 to ND as #15. Unlike the B12, the ACC would have ND & Louisville aiding the Ohio market along with, perhaps to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh. If WV comes to as #17 then that would help as well. Who else for 16?

SQUARE PEG IN ROUND HOLE

(05-09-2017 01:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 01:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 12:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The minor hit to baseball would add a University of great stature. It would also bring the ACC to six lacrosse programs. In hoops it would reignite one of the biggest hoop rivalries.

The only people who care about your Georgetown rivalry are Syracuse fans.

So we are going to screw over every other Olympic sport so Syracuse has one less reason to leave NY for non-con basketball games and get an autobid in a non-revenue sport that we don't need? Hurt national sports to prop up a regional one......makes perfect sense.

Yes..let's have a guy who knows little about college hoops define which rivalries register to the national college basketball fan base as being important.

Sorry but college lacrosse is much easier to watch on TV than college baseball. The growth of college lacrosse over the last 15 years has blown away every other college sport.

https://newwavelax.wordpress.com/2015/11...al-growth/

69 teams with the vast majority of them in the Mid-Atlantic and New England.

Regional niche sport.

Or the fastest growing sport in the nation located in the ACC footprint?

Don't worry...you can still watch your baseball and I'll watch my Lacrosse.

LOL You sound like the people back in the late 80's-early 90's who said "Soccer is the fastest growing sport in the country and will surpass everything in 10-15 years to become the most popular sport in the country."

You'll be dead and decomposing before there are 128 Lacrosse teams playing at the DI level.

(05-09-2017 04:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 01:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 01:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 12:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 07:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The only people who care about your Georgetown rivalry are Syracuse fans.

So we are going to screw over every other Olympic sport so Syracuse has one less reason to leave NY for non-con basketball games and get an autobid in a non-revenue sport that we don't need? Hurt national sports to prop up a regional one......makes perfect sense.

Yes..let's have a guy who knows little about college hoops define which rivalries register to the national college basketball fan base as being important.

Sorry but college lacrosse is much easier to watch on TV than college baseball. The growth of college lacrosse over the last 15 years has blown away every other college sport.

https://newwavelax.wordpress.com/2015/11...al-growth/

69 teams with the vast majority of them in the Mid-Atlantic and New England.

Regional niche sport.

Or the fastest growing sport in the nation located in the ACC footprint?

Don't worry...you can still watch your baseball and I'll watch my Lacrosse.

LOL You sound like the people back in the late 80's-early 90's who said "Soccer is the fastest growing sport in the country and will surpass everything in 10-15 years to become the most popular sport in the country."

You'll be dead and decomposing before there are 128 Lacrosse teams playing at the DI level.

Prove my claim (fastest growing sport) wrong!

BTW, there won't be 128 D-1 teams in Lacrosse...did I ever say that?

IMHO, if it wasn't for Title IX the ACC would have closer to 15 teams than 5 teams.

ND has hockey, lacrosse and baseball.

I wish Syracuse and Pitt did the same, but understand the financial and Title IX considerations.

(05-10-2017 01:08 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND has hockey, lacrosse and baseball.

I wish Syracuse and Pitt did the same, but understand the financial and Title IX considerations.

For Cuse...it makes sense to do hockey. However, could the Dome could be modified to host baseball that would be unique...not sure it is feasible.

They have played softball in the Dome...but a much smaller field

(05-09-2017 03:23 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 02:00 PM)nole Wrote:  fastest, but no $$$$ there.

And baseball is a cash cow?

We all know that only Football and Basketball earns any tangible amount of money.

No it isn't. I never said it was.

There is football, then a little bball and the rest is pennies.

I know you fb guys dont want to hear this but basketball brings in an amazing amount of money. Syracuse earns more bb revenue than some P5 fb programs. Louisville brings in more bb revenue than SU. Let that sink in. In a world where theres an ACCN, the likes of UNC, Duke, Louisville and SU, become just as valuable in selling subscriptions as FSU, Miami, Clemson and VT. Perhaps even moreso, when you consider that many subscribers would cancel subscriptions after fb season in January, but will keep the subscriptions for bb season thru April.

(05-10-2017 11:17 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I watch every ND baseball game on ACC Network Extra or on WatchND, and the Irish baseball program blows right now.

I never watch ND lacrosse, and I hear its program is pretty good.

Got beat by Carolina for the conference championship.