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RE: Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
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(05-01-2017 06:08 PM)Otacon Wrote:  I just don't see why any Big XII school would go west to the PAC... They're worse off then the Big XII already.

Very true.

As it stands, yes the PAC 12 isn't overly financial attractive. They do have the stability though in that due to their geographic location aren't really likely to lose schools to other conferences.

The Big 12 on the other hand (despite its pretty strong financial payouts to members recently) sits in/in between the footprint of several conferences and due to it's relative instability makes it the most likely to have members picked off.

That's exactly right, but unfortunate because the Big 12 is the best bridge with which to tie the PAC to the rest of us. Somehow Minnesota just doesn't seem to be as close to Washington. I know it's a perception issue because now the Big 10 is reasonably close to Colorado, but Colorado doesn't seem to signify PAC like USC or Washington. I think the PAC will fee much more distant without the Big 12, unless of course it decides to make a play for 4 to 6 more Big 12 schools.

What would it take to make the Big 12 stable? They are making decent money, so I'm sure that helps. Is it just a matter of Texas playing nice? Do they need to expand/expand with decent schools? I've wondered this on here before, but since the money is nice and expansion might help, perhaps Arizona/Arizona St wouldn't be too farfetched, particularly if there was a GOR extension into like the 40s. Arizona/St would get more money out of the deal and swap playing California for playing Texas.
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RE: Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
(05-02-2017 09:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:25 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(05-01-2017 06:42 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-01-2017 06:08 PM)Otacon Wrote:  I just don't see why any Big XII school would go west to the PAC... They're worse off then the Big XII already.

Very true.

As it stands, yes the PAC 12 isn't overly financial attractive. They do have the stability though in that due to their geographic location aren't really likely to lose schools to other conferences.

The Big 12 on the other hand (despite its pretty strong financial payouts to members recently) sits in/in between the footprint of several conferences and due to it's relative instability makes it the most likely to have members picked off.

That's exactly right, but unfortunate because the Big 12 is the best bridge with which to tie the PAC to the rest of us. Somehow Minnesota just doesn't seem to be as close to Washington. I know it's a perception issue because now the Big 10 is reasonably close to Colorado, but Colorado doesn't seem to signify PAC like USC or Washington. I think the PAC will fee much more distant without the Big 12, unless of course it decides to make a play for 4 to 6 more Big 12 schools.

What would it take to make the Big 12 stable? They are making decent money, so I'm sure that helps. Is it just a matter of Texas playing nice? Do they need to expand/expand with decent schools? I've wondered this on here before, but since the money is nice and expansion might help, perhaps Arizona/Arizona St wouldn't be too farfetched, particularly if there was a GOR extension into like the 40s. Arizona/St would get more money out of the deal and swap playing California for playing Texas.

Nothing is going to make the Big 12 stable. They've lost 4 AAU schools (Nebraska was AAU when they left). They have replaced 4 large state Flagship schools with a private and a smaller state Flagship, but one that is not remotely attached to the conference. The are getting killed in recruiting and they aren't in a position to attract other strong P5's to join. And adding from the G5 will only increase the ire and despondency of donors and alums at UT and OU.

So they are toast. It's just a matter of when the heart stops beating (Texas), or the kidneys fail (OU). Name me 1 school there besides those two which the conference could be rebuilt around? West Virginia is the outlier and not a strong enough brand to build around and receive any kind of TV revenue. It's sure not Baylor, or T.C.U., or Texas Tech. It's not Iowa State or Kansas State, and it's not even Oklahoma State, and dare I mention Kansas? Furthermore Texas and Oklahoma would earn not only more for themselves, but much more for a network if they were in any of the other P4 conferences but particularly if they were in the Big 10 or SEC.

So the networks are through with paying 10 schools just to have access to two, maybe three that they want. The fans have reached a limit in which their home schedule only has 2 big names on it a year, and Oklahoma has had enough of it because they aren't getting 15 million a year for the LHN. Oklahoma's T3 pays 7 million a year, but they have to front the overhead so it only NETS them about 3.

And the two Arizona schools would be nuts to leave a stable PAC, but if they did they are not the brands that make the UT or OU schedules more palatable.
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RE: Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
(05-02-2017 10:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(05-02-2017 08:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:25 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(05-01-2017 06:42 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Very true.

As it stands, yes the PAC 12 isn't overly financial attractive. They do have the stability though in that due to their geographic location aren't really likely to lose schools to other conferences.

The Big 12 on the other hand (despite its pretty strong financial payouts to members recently) sits in/in between the footprint of several conferences and due to it's relative instability makes it the most likely to have members picked off.

That's exactly right, but unfortunate because the Big 12 is the best bridge with which to tie the PAC to the rest of us. Somehow Minnesota just doesn't seem to be as close to Washington. I know it's a perception issue because now the Big 10 is reasonably close to Colorado, but Colorado doesn't seem to signify PAC like USC or Washington. I think the PAC will fee much more distant without the Big 12, unless of course it decides to make a play for 4 to 6 more Big 12 schools.

What would it take to make the Big 12 stable? They are making decent money, so I'm sure that helps. Is it just a matter of Texas playing nice? Do they need to expand/expand with decent schools? I've wondered this on here before, but since the money is nice and expansion might help, perhaps Arizona/Arizona St wouldn't be too farfetched, particularly if there was a GOR extension into like the 40s. Arizona/St would get more money out of the deal and swap playing California for playing Texas.

Nothing is going to make the Big 12 stable. They've lost 4 AAU schools (Nebraska was AAU when they left). They have replaced 4 large state Flagship schools with a private and a smaller state Flagship, but one that is not remotely attached to the conference. The are getting killed in recruiting and they aren't in a position to attract other strong P5's to join. And adding from the G5 will only increase the ire and despondency of donors and alums at UT and OU.

So they are toast. It's just a matter of when the heart stops beating (Texas), or the kidneys fail (OU). Name me 1 school there besides those two which the conference could be rebuilt around? West Virginia is the outlier and not a strong enough brand to build around and receive any kind of TV revenue. It's sure not Baylor, or T.C.U., or Texas Tech. It's not Iowa State or Kansas State, and it's not even Oklahoma State, and dare I mention Kansas? Furthermore Texas and Oklahoma would earn not only more for themselves, but much more for a network if they were in any of the other P4 conferences but particularly if they were in the Big 10 or SEC.

So the networks are through with paying 10 schools just to have access to two, maybe three that they want. The fans have reached a limit in which their home schedule only has 2 big names on it a year, and Oklahoma has had enough of it because they aren't getting 15 million a year for the LHN. Oklahoma's T3 pays 7 million a year, but they have to front the overhead so it only NETS them about 3.

And the two Arizona schools would be nuts to leave a stable PAC, but if they did they are not the brands that make the UT or OU schedules more palatable.

Starting to think a Texahoma package with OU, OSU, Texas & Tech would be the most financially viable expansion option. Heck, might even add KU and WVU if the numbers still work out.
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RE: Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
(05-02-2017 01:59 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:25 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  As it stands, yes the PAC 12 isn't overly financial attractive. They do have the stability though in that due to their geographic location aren't really likely to lose schools to other conferences.

The Big 12 on the other hand (despite its pretty strong financial payouts to members recently) sits in/in between the footprint of several conferences and due to it's relative instability makes it the most likely to have members picked off.

That's exactly right, but unfortunate because the Big 12 is the best bridge with which to tie the PAC to the rest of us. Somehow Minnesota just doesn't seem to be as close to Washington. I know it's a perception issue because now the Big 10 is reasonably close to Colorado, but Colorado doesn't seem to signify PAC like USC or Washington. I think the PAC will fee much more distant without the Big 12, unless of course it decides to make a play for 4 to 6 more Big 12 schools.

What would it take to make the Big 12 stable? They are making decent money, so I'm sure that helps. Is it just a matter of Texas playing nice? Do they need to expand/expand with decent schools? I've wondered this on here before, but since the money is nice and expansion might help, perhaps Arizona/Arizona St wouldn't be too farfetched, particularly if there was a GOR extension into like the 40s. Arizona/St would get more money out of the deal and swap playing California for playing Texas.

Nothing is going to make the Big 12 stable. They've lost 4 AAU schools (Nebraska was AAU when they left). They have replaced 4 large state Flagship schools with a private and a smaller state Flagship, but one that is not remotely attached to the conference. The are getting killed in recruiting and they aren't in a position to attract other strong P5's to join. And adding from the G5 will only increase the ire and despondency of donors and alums at UT and OU.

So they are toast. It's just a matter of when the heart stops beating (Texas), or the kidneys fail (OU). Name me 1 school there besides those two which the conference could be rebuilt around? West Virginia is the outlier and not a strong enough brand to build around and receive any kind of TV revenue. It's sure not Baylor, or T.C.U., or Texas Tech. It's not Iowa State or Kansas State, and it's not even Oklahoma State, and dare I mention Kansas? Furthermore Texas and Oklahoma would earn not only more for themselves, but much more for a network if they were in any of the other P4 conferences but particularly if they were in the Big 10 or SEC.

So the networks are through with paying 10 schools just to have access to two, maybe three that they want. The fans have reached a limit in which their home schedule only has 2 big names on it a year, and Oklahoma has had enough of it because they aren't getting 15 million a year for the LHN. Oklahoma's T3 pays 7 million a year, but they have to front the overhead so it only NETS them about 3.

And the two Arizona schools would be nuts to leave a stable PAC, but if they did they are not the brands that make the UT or OU schedules more palatable.

Starting to think a Texahoma package with OU, OSU, Texas & Tech would be the most financially viable expansion option. Heck, might even add KU and WVU if the numbers still work out.

Seems like that would be the best option.

We might have to sub Baylor for Tech though in order to get another league to bite on some of these other schools so that we can end it.

I'd be ok with this...

OU, OSU, UT, TT, TCU, and BU

Go to 20 and dominate the region. Let Texas have their division and capitalize on OU's brand at the same time.

WVU can go to the ACC.

The PAC can take Kansas, Kansas State, SMU, and Houston

Iowa State is the only one left out.
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Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
Waiting out the GOR does allow for contraction. Place 5 schools & we have a P4 X 15. PAC needs 3 for 15 so they get Texas, TT & TCU. ACC gets ND for 15. B1G & SEC has a shootout for Oklahoma & Kansas. For rivalry purposes, Oklahoma to the B1G for Nebraska & Kansas to the SEC for Missouri & to enhance basketball.

SEC
A&M, LSU, Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas

Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky

Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, SC, Vanderbilt

B1G
Oklahoma, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa

Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue

Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers

PAC
Texas, TT, TCU, Arizona, Colorado

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Arz State

Oregon, Washington, Wash St, Oregon State, Utah

ACC
ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Miami

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, GT

FSU, Clemson, Louisville, NC State, WF
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RE: Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:59 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  That's exactly right, but unfortunate because the Big 12 is the best bridge with which to tie the PAC to the rest of us. Somehow Minnesota just doesn't seem to be as close to Washington. I know it's a perception issue because now the Big 10 is reasonably close to Colorado, but Colorado doesn't seem to signify PAC like USC or Washington. I think the PAC will fee much more distant without the Big 12, unless of course it decides to make a play for 4 to 6 more Big 12 schools.

What would it take to make the Big 12 stable? They are making decent money, so I'm sure that helps. Is it just a matter of Texas playing nice? Do they need to expand/expand with decent schools? I've wondered this on here before, but since the money is nice and expansion might help, perhaps Arizona/Arizona St wouldn't be too farfetched, particularly if there was a GOR extension into like the 40s. Arizona/St would get more money out of the deal and swap playing California for playing Texas.

Nothing is going to make the Big 12 stable. They've lost 4 AAU schools (Nebraska was AAU when they left). They have replaced 4 large state Flagship schools with a private and a smaller state Flagship, but one that is not remotely attached to the conference. The are getting killed in recruiting and they aren't in a position to attract other strong P5's to join. And adding from the G5 will only increase the ire and despondency of donors and alums at UT and OU.

So they are toast. It's just a matter of when the heart stops beating (Texas), or the kidneys fail (OU). Name me 1 school there besides those two which the conference could be rebuilt around? West Virginia is the outlier and not a strong enough brand to build around and receive any kind of TV revenue. It's sure not Baylor, or T.C.U., or Texas Tech. It's not Iowa State or Kansas State, and it's not even Oklahoma State, and dare I mention Kansas? Furthermore Texas and Oklahoma would earn not only more for themselves, but much more for a network if they were in any of the other P4 conferences but particularly if they were in the Big 10 or SEC.

So the networks are through with paying 10 schools just to have access to two, maybe three that they want. The fans have reached a limit in which their home schedule only has 2 big names on it a year, and Oklahoma has had enough of it because they aren't getting 15 million a year for the LHN. Oklahoma's T3 pays 7 million a year, but they have to front the overhead so it only NETS them about 3.

And the two Arizona schools would be nuts to leave a stable PAC, but if they did they are not the brands that make the UT or OU schedules more palatable.

Starting to think a Texahoma package with OU, OSU, Texas & Tech would be the most financially viable expansion option. Heck, might even add KU and WVU if the numbers still work out.

Seems like that would be the best option.

We might have to sub Baylor for Tech though in order to get another league to bite on some of these other schools so that we can end it.

I'd be ok with this...

OU, OSU, UT, TT, TCU, and BU


Go to 20 and dominate the region. Let Texas have their division and capitalize on OU's brand at the same time.

WVU can go to the ACC.

The PAC can take Kansas, Kansas State, SMU, and Houston

Iowa State is the only one left out.

That's supersaturation in Texas. If we have A&M, UT-A and Tech, that's the three largest schools in the state. Can Baylor wins without signing a bunch of criminals? TCU fans are still fair weather and leave early even in big games.

Anyway, here is Arkansas Sports reporting interviewing Barry Switzer today:


Bo Mattingly @SportsTalkwBo


College football Hall of Fame coach @Barry_Switzer joins the @FSBank Hotline next!

Switzer: The Big 12 doesn’t recruit very well. Kansas, Iowa State…they don’t get the blue-chip players.
3:36 PM · May 2, 2017

Switzer: The only teams in the Big 12 that recruit well are Texas and Oklahoma.

Switzer: The players out of the Big 12 came from Texas and Oklahoma, and Nebraska, back when they were in the league.
3:37 PM · May 2, 2017

I could understand going with UT/TT/OU/OSU to secure the brands, but adding more would dilute the conference talent and possibly the payouts.
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RE: Finebaum thinks OU wants out of B12 desperately
(05-02-2017 05:59 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:59 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  What would it take to make the Big 12 stable? They are making decent money, so I'm sure that helps. Is it just a matter of Texas playing nice? Do they need to expand/expand with decent schools? I've wondered this on here before, but since the money is nice and expansion might help, perhaps Arizona/Arizona St wouldn't be too farfetched, particularly if there was a GOR extension into like the 40s. Arizona/St would get more money out of the deal and swap playing California for playing Texas.

Nothing is going to make the Big 12 stable. They've lost 4 AAU schools (Nebraska was AAU when they left). They have replaced 4 large state Flagship schools with a private and a smaller state Flagship, but one that is not remotely attached to the conference. The are getting killed in recruiting and they aren't in a position to attract other strong P5's to join. And adding from the G5 will only increase the ire and despondency of donors and alums at UT and OU.

So they are toast. It's just a matter of when the heart stops beating (Texas), or the kidneys fail (OU). Name me 1 school there besides those two which the conference could be rebuilt around? West Virginia is the outlier and not a strong enough brand to build around and receive any kind of TV revenue. It's sure not Baylor, or T.C.U., or Texas Tech. It's not Iowa State or Kansas State, and it's not even Oklahoma State, and dare I mention Kansas? Furthermore Texas and Oklahoma would earn not only more for themselves, but much more for a network if they were in any of the other P4 conferences but particularly if they were in the Big 10 or SEC.

So the networks are through with paying 10 schools just to have access to two, maybe three that they want. The fans have reached a limit in which their home schedule only has 2 big names on it a year, and Oklahoma has had enough of it because they aren't getting 15 million a year for the LHN. Oklahoma's T3 pays 7 million a year, but they have to front the overhead so it only NETS them about 3.

And the two Arizona schools would be nuts to leave a stable PAC, but if they did they are not the brands that make the UT or OU schedules more palatable.

Starting to think a Texahoma package with OU, OSU, Texas & Tech would be the most financially viable expansion option. Heck, might even add KU and WVU if the numbers still work out.

Seems like that would be the best option.

We might have to sub Baylor for Tech though in order to get another league to bite on some of these other schools so that we can end it.

I'd be ok with this...

OU, OSU, UT, TT, TCU, and BU


Go to 20 and dominate the region. Let Texas have their division and capitalize on OU's brand at the same time.

WVU can go to the ACC.

The PAC can take Kansas, Kansas State, SMU, and Houston

Iowa State is the only one left out.

That's supersaturation in Texas. If we have A&M, UT-A and Tech, that's the three largest schools in the state. Can Baylor wins without signing a bunch of criminals? TCU fans are still fair weather and leave early even in big games.

Anyway, here is Arkansas Sports reporting interviewing Barry Switzer today:


Bo Mattingly @SportsTalkwBo


College football Hall of Fame coach @Barry_Switzer joins the @FSBank Hotline next!

Switzer: The Big 12 doesn’t recruit very well. Kansas, Iowa State…they don’t get the blue-chip players.
3:36 PM · May 2, 2017

Switzer: The only teams in the Big 12 that recruit well are Texas and Oklahoma.

Switzer: The players out of the Big 12 came from Texas and Oklahoma, and Nebraska, back when they were in the league.
3:37 PM · May 2, 2017

I could understand going with UT/TT/OU/OSU to secure the brands, but adding more would dilute the conference talent and possibly the payouts.

Ideally, we'd only take Texas and Oklahoma. I don't know that that's possible. I don't know that Texahoma is possible either.

Somehow that GOR has got to be dealt with.
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(05-02-2017 06:35 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 05:59 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:59 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Nothing is going to make the Big 12 stable. They've lost 4 AAU schools (Nebraska was AAU when they left). They have replaced 4 large state Flagship schools with a private and a smaller state Flagship, but one that is not remotely attached to the conference. The are getting killed in recruiting and they aren't in a position to attract other strong P5's to join. And adding from the G5 will only increase the ire and despondency of donors and alums at UT and OU.

So they are toast. It's just a matter of when the heart stops beating (Texas), or the kidneys fail (OU). Name me 1 school there besides those two which the conference could be rebuilt around? West Virginia is the outlier and not a strong enough brand to build around and receive any kind of TV revenue. It's sure not Baylor, or T.C.U., or Texas Tech. It's not Iowa State or Kansas State, and it's not even Oklahoma State, and dare I mention Kansas? Furthermore Texas and Oklahoma would earn not only more for themselves, but much more for a network if they were in any of the other P4 conferences but particularly if they were in the Big 10 or SEC.

So the networks are through with paying 10 schools just to have access to two, maybe three that they want. The fans have reached a limit in which their home schedule only has 2 big names on it a year, and Oklahoma has had enough of it because they aren't getting 15 million a year for the LHN. Oklahoma's T3 pays 7 million a year, but they have to front the overhead so it only NETS them about 3.

And the two Arizona schools would be nuts to leave a stable PAC, but if they did they are not the brands that make the UT or OU schedules more palatable.

Starting to think a Texahoma package with OU, OSU, Texas & Tech would be the most financially viable expansion option. Heck, might even add KU and WVU if the numbers still work out.

Seems like that would be the best option.

We might have to sub Baylor for Tech though in order to get another league to bite on some of these other schools so that we can end it.

I'd be ok with this...

OU, OSU, UT, TT, TCU, and BU


Go to 20 and dominate the region. Let Texas have their division and capitalize on OU's brand at the same time.

WVU can go to the ACC.

The PAC can take Kansas, Kansas State, SMU, and Houston

Iowa State is the only one left out.

That's supersaturation in Texas. If we have A&M, UT-A and Tech, that's the three largest schools in the state. Can Baylor wins without signing a bunch of criminals? TCU fans are still fair weather and leave early even in big games.

Anyway, here is Arkansas Sports reporting interviewing Barry Switzer today:


Bo Mattingly @SportsTalkwBo


College football Hall of Fame coach @Barry_Switzer joins the @FSBank Hotline next!

Switzer: The Big 12 doesn’t recruit very well. Kansas, Iowa State…they don’t get the blue-chip players.
3:36 PM · May 2, 2017

Switzer: The only teams in the Big 12 that recruit well are Texas and Oklahoma.

Switzer: The players out of the Big 12 came from Texas and Oklahoma, and Nebraska, back when they were in the league.
3:37 PM · May 2, 2017

I could understand going with UT/TT/OU/OSU to secure the brands, but adding more would dilute the conference talent and possibly the payouts.

Ideally, we'd only take Texas and Oklahoma. I don't know that that's possible. I don't know that Texahoma is possible either.

Somehow that GOR has got to be dealt with.

That's why I suggested Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. There are many who say conferences won't go beyond 16. I'm not one who buys that.

Let's say that the ACC did go to 18 with Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Connecticut and West Virginia. The divisions really make a lot of sense:
B.C., Cincy, UConn, N.D., Pitt, Syracuse
Duke, Clemson, Georgia Tech, UNC, UVa, VaTech
F.S.U., Louisville, Miami, N.C.St., Wake, WVU

That's balanced and it paves the way for a playoff of: N.D., Clemson, F.S.U. and the best at large possibly Louisville or WVU. That's a very watchable playoff.

So to would be the SEC:
Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M
Alabama, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

So the PAC takes T.C.U. and Texas Tech for the markets and you really have enough if they either Kansas or Iowa State or both.

Then it doesn't matter if the Big 10 stays put.
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Maybe I'm just being too realistic here but if:

ESPN and FOX basically split the college world into two halves like the NFL has been divided, and the SEC and the ACC are both associated with ESPN and the B1G and the PAC are associated with FOX then:

There is no way that FOX is going to let Oklahoma end up in the SEC, no matter what the cost. Why? because they need the content. What is the pride and joy of the B1G? Michigan vs. Ohio State right? What is the BIG game for the PAC? Who knows, but I'll bet it's USC vs.somebody. So what would FOX need to tie the two ends together? If you didn't say Oklahoma vs Nebraska, you shouldn't be reading this.
So let's give the opposition some props, they aren't stupid.....they know what they need to do. But the SEC/ACC needs to be smart and make sure the only access that Oklahoma & Nebraska have to Texas talent is when Oklahoma plays Texas in the RRSO otherwise it would be smart to keep them and their kind out of the State of Texas.
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(05-02-2017 08:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  Maybe I'm just being too realistic here but if:

ESPN and FOX basically split the college world into two halves like the NFL has been divided, and the SEC and the ACC are both associated with ESPN and the B1G and the PAC are associated with FOX then:

There is no way that FOX is going to let Oklahoma end up in the SEC, no matter what the cost. Why? because they need the content. What is the pride and joy of the B1G? Michigan vs. Ohio State right? What is the BIG game for the PAC? Who knows, but I'll bet it's USC vs.somebody. So what would FOX need to tie the two ends together? If you didn't say Oklahoma vs Nebraska, you shouldn't be reading this.
So let's give the opposition some props, they aren't stupid.....they know what they need to do. But the SEC/ACC needs to be smart and make sure the only access that Oklahoma & Nebraska have to Texas talent is when Oklahoma plays Texas in the RRSO otherwise it would be smart to keep them and their kind out of the State of Texas.

If we go to a FOX vs ESPN sports world then the market model goes out the window and ESPN and FOX will not want to split add rates in large states with each other. So the new game will be whether FOX owns all of California and other large states. ESPN will want all of Florida, Texas, North Carolina, and Virginia and they'll want to dig into to FOX in Ohio with Cincinnati. New England won't be dominated by anyone, nor will New York. They simply don't have enough interested in college sports. So content has to compel them to watch. That means with a scheduling alliance some key SEC schools might be playing in Syracuse, or Pittsburgh, or even Boston. It also means that there may be some October or November games reciprocated so that those fan bases can travel South.

But fans need to think of it like the big board on election night. We want to carry all of the delegates from our states, meaning all of the advertising money.
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Caution should apply. We have discussed the public discord at Missouri by some alums and faculty. Texas, OU, and KU would create internal division making Missouri issues look like a picnic. The internal struggle would be massive, as many alumni and faculty are either looking North or West. A proposed move to the SEC would probably start a war at each school. Austin is a liberal bastion. No way they will swallow the SEC. I cannot even fathom the discord at Iowa State if that ever came to pass.
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(05-02-2017 10:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Caution should apply. We have discussed the public discord at Missouri by some alums and faculty. Texas, OU, and KU would create internal division making Missouri issues look like a picnic. The internal struggle would be massive, as many alumni and faculty are either looking North or West. A proposed move to the SEC would probably start a war at each school. Austin is a liberal bastion. No way they will swallow the SEC. I cannot even fathom the discord at Iowa State if that ever came to pass.
I disagree about Oklahoma. It's an overwhelming Red State, a football first school, and a natural fit in the SEC. I have no doubt but what Boren and some of the faculty are quite liberal, but the fan base would not be nearly as divided. And as you said the other night we all have liberal faculty. The question is how does the money lean and in Oklahoma they lean toward conservatism. God and country are still popular. With Texas I have no reason at all to quibble with you and Kansas is not a cultural fit and would not be easily assimilated no matter how long the time frame.

I have considered the combination of T.C.U. and Oklahoma and if we had to take Oklahoma State then perhaps West Virginia starts making some sense. But that's a lot of mouths to feed.
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(05-02-2017 11:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Caution should apply. We have discussed the public discord at Missouri by some alums and faculty. Texas, OU, and KU would create internal division making Missouri issues look like a picnic. The internal struggle would be massive, as many alumni and faculty are either looking North or West. A proposed move to the SEC would probably start a war at each school. Austin is a liberal bastion. No way they will swallow the SEC. I cannot even fathom the discord at Iowa State if that ever came to pass.
I disagree about Oklahoma. It's an overwhelming Red State, a football first school, and a natural fit in the SEC. I have no doubt but what Boren and some of the faculty are quite liberal, but the fan base would not be nearly as divided. And as you said the other night we all have liberal faculty. The question is how does the money lean and in Oklahoma they lean toward conservatism. God and country are still popular. With Texas I have no reason at all to quibble with you and Kansas is not a cultural fit and would not be easily assimilated no matter how long the time frame.

I have considered the combination of T.C.U. and Oklahoma and if we had to take Oklahoma State then perhaps West Virginia starts making some sense. But that's a lot of mouths to feed.

Overwhelming red state but applied to move to the blue west coast. OU has the most options and most divided fan base on where the school should land.
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(05-03-2017 02:41 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 11:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Caution should apply. We have discussed the public discord at Missouri by some alums and faculty. Texas, OU, and KU would create internal division making Missouri issues look like a picnic. The internal struggle would be massive, as many alumni and faculty are either looking North or West. A proposed move to the SEC would probably start a war at each school. Austin is a liberal bastion. No way they will swallow the SEC. I cannot even fathom the discord at Iowa State if that ever came to pass.
I disagree about Oklahoma. It's an overwhelming Red State, a football first school, and a natural fit in the SEC. I have no doubt but what Boren and some of the faculty are quite liberal, but the fan base would not be nearly as divided. And as you said the other night we all have liberal faculty. The question is how does the money lean and in Oklahoma they lean toward conservatism. God and country are still popular. With Texas I have no reason at all to quibble with you and Kansas is not a cultural fit and would not be easily assimilated no matter how long the time frame.

I have considered the combination of T.C.U. and Oklahoma and if we had to take Oklahoma State then perhaps West Virginia starts making some sense. But that's a lot of mouths to feed.

Overwhelming red state but applied to move to the blue west coast. OU has the most options and most divided fan base on where the school should land.

Well, at the time it was any port in a storm so I'm not how sure whether that tells us much about anything but their desperation at the time. They approached us too with the same package deal and got the same response. And for all of the we will go to the Big 10 stuff from their fans,and Boren's alleged comments, there has been nothing in the offing there. To me, that really explains the push for expansion that Boren made for the Big 12. If he was hot for the Big 10 and they had an offer do you think for a moment OU would still be there? The OU administration is thrashing about with regards to all of this because their top choice hasn't responded and that could well be because their presidents are well aware that OU's standards do not meet theirs and therefore an answer will not be forthcoming. And because their other options refused to alleviate them of their political problem. Therefore the "let's make the best of it in the Big12" talk was their final option and not a precursor for future action. The latest iteration of "we don't have to leave with little brother" is quite telling and probably why Paul and some others in the press haven't been speaking of OSU like they did before.

I believe the simple truth about Oklahoma is that they thought that the SEC would take OSU if threatened with the Big 10. The SEC had not yet agreed upon Missouri at the time but were certain about A&M. When Boren demanded OSU be included there was literally no way we were going to give up A&M to double down in Oklahoma, especially when nobody at that time, especially the network, was ready for us to jump to 16. ESPN may well have had other ideas right then. It is then that they shopped the PAC and were rejected. That could have been sincere or yet another ploy to get us to agree.

If you've noticed the serious moves of schools to the SEC have usually not even been rumored until the final details have been worked out. Hell the SEC home office had the Missouri announcement ready for sometime prior to Mizzou's announcement and the programmer released it early. The confusion happens when the similarity to the talk before the release matches the kind of confusion that comes from a target that can't get what they want and are throwing up smokescreens to try to shake an offer loose.

I'm sure the SEC would love to have Oklahoma and that we feel pretty confident that we can get just Oklahoma and that is why the OU inner circle apparently continues to release the "We prefer the Big 10 stuff". It didn't really help Missouri an they were qualified for the Big 10 and I don't think it will help OU, especially since they are not qualified for the Big 10. So I think we let them stew until they say "Okay, just take us."
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(05-03-2017 02:41 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 11:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Caution should apply. We have discussed the public discord at Missouri by some alums and faculty. Texas, OU, and KU would create internal division making Missouri issues look like a picnic. The internal struggle would be massive, as many alumni and faculty are either looking North or West. A proposed move to the SEC would probably start a war at each school. Austin is a liberal bastion. No way they will swallow the SEC. I cannot even fathom the discord at Iowa State if that ever came to pass.
I disagree about Oklahoma. It's an overwhelming Red State, a football first school, and a natural fit in the SEC. I have no doubt but what Boren and some of the faculty are quite liberal, but the fan base would not be nearly as divided. And as you said the other night we all have liberal faculty. The question is how does the money lean and in Oklahoma they lean toward conservatism. God and country are still popular. With Texas I have no reason at all to quibble with you and Kansas is not a cultural fit and would not be easily assimilated no matter how long the time frame.

I have considered the combination of T.C.U. and Oklahoma and if we had to take Oklahoma State then perhaps West Virginia starts making some sense. But that's a lot of mouths to feed.

Overwhelming red state but applied to move to the blue west coast. OU has the most options and most divided fan base on where the school should land.

Well, at the time it was any port in a storm so I'm not how sure whether that tells us much about anything but their desperation at the time. They approached us too with the same package deal and got the same response. And for all of the we will go to the Big 10 stuff from their fans,and Boren's alleged comments, there has been nothing in the offing there. To me, that really explains the push for expansion that Boren made for the Big 12. If he was hot for the Big 10 and they had an offer do you think for a moment OU would still be there? The OU administration is thrashing about with regards to all of this because their top choice hasn't responded and that could well be because their presidents are well aware that OU's standards do not meet theirs and therefore an answer will not be forthcoming. And because their other options refused to alleviate them of their political problem. Therefore the "let's make the best of it in the Big12" talk was their final option and not a precursor for future action. The latest iteration of "we don't have to leave with little brother" is quite telling and probably why Paul and some others in the press haven't been speaking of OSU like they did before.

I believe the simple truth about Oklahoma is that they thought that the SEC would take OSU if threatened with the Big 10. The SEC had not yet agreed upon Missouri at the time but were certain about A&M. When Boren demanded OSU be included there was literally no way we were going to give up A&M to double down in Oklahoma, especially when nobody at that time, especially the network, was ready for us to jump to 16. ESPN may well have had other ideas right then. It is then that they shopped the PAC and were rejected. That could have been sincere or yet another ploy to get us to agree.

If you've noticed the serious moves of schools to the SEC have usually not even been rumored until the final details have been worked out. Hell the SEC home office had the Missouri announcement ready for sometime prior to Mizzou's announcement and the programmer released it early. The confusion happens when the similarity to the talk before the release matches the kind of confusion that comes from a target that can't get what they want and are throwing up smokescreens to try to shake an offer loose.

I'm sure the SEC would love to have Oklahoma and that we feel pretty confident that we can get just Oklahoma and that is why the OU inner circle apparently continues to release the "We prefer the Big 10 stuff". It didn't really help Missouri an they were qualified for the Big 10 and I don't think it will help OU, especially since they are not qualified for the Big 10. So I think we let them stew until they say "Okay, just take us."
Oklahoma is definitely the most workable for the SEC. My point was in comparison to what we discussed the other day regarding Missouri. It doesn't take many noisy school faculty/alumni to create a similar appearance of discord toward the SEC.
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(05-03-2017 11:13 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 09:53 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 02:41 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 11:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Caution should apply. We have discussed the public discord at Missouri by some alums and faculty. Texas, OU, and KU would create internal division making Missouri issues look like a picnic. The internal struggle would be massive, as many alumni and faculty are either looking North or West. A proposed move to the SEC would probably start a war at each school. Austin is a liberal bastion. No way they will swallow the SEC. I cannot even fathom the discord at Iowa State if that ever came to pass.
I disagree about Oklahoma. It's an overwhelming Red State, a football first school, and a natural fit in the SEC. I have no doubt but what Boren and some of the faculty are quite liberal, but the fan base would not be nearly as divided. And as you said the other night we all have liberal faculty. The question is how does the money lean and in Oklahoma they lean toward conservatism. God and country are still popular. With Texas I have no reason at all to quibble with you and Kansas is not a cultural fit and would not be easily assimilated no matter how long the time frame.

I have considered the combination of T.C.U. and Oklahoma and if we had to take Oklahoma State then perhaps West Virginia starts making some sense. But that's a lot of mouths to feed.

Overwhelming red state but applied to move to the blue west coast. OU has the most options and most divided fan base on where the school should land.

Well, at the time it was any port in a storm so I'm not how sure whether that tells us much about anything but their desperation at the time. They approached us too with the same package deal and got the same response. And for all of the we will go to the Big 10 stuff from their fans,and Boren's alleged comments, there has been nothing in the offing there. To me, that really explains the push for expansion that Boren made for the Big 12. If he was hot for the Big 10 and they had an offer do you think for a moment OU would still be there? The OU administration is thrashing about with regards to all of this because their top choice hasn't responded and that could well be because their presidents are well aware that OU's standards do not meet theirs and therefore an answer will not be forthcoming. And because their other options refused to alleviate them of their political problem. Therefore the "let's make the best of it in the Big12" talk was their final option and not a precursor for future action. The latest iteration of "we don't have to leave with little brother" is quite telling and probably why Paul and some others in the press haven't been speaking of OSU like they did before.

I believe the simple truth about Oklahoma is that they thought that the SEC would take OSU if threatened with the Big 10. The SEC had not yet agreed upon Missouri at the time but were certain about A&M. When Boren demanded OSU be included there was literally no way we were going to give up A&M to double down in Oklahoma, especially when nobody at that time, especially the network, was ready for us to jump to 16. ESPN may well have had other ideas right then. It is then that they shopped the PAC and were rejected. That could have been sincere or yet another ploy to get us to agree.

If you've noticed the serious moves of schools to the SEC have usually not even been rumored until the final details have been worked out. Hell the SEC home office had the Missouri announcement ready for sometime prior to Mizzou's announcement and the programmer released it early. The confusion happens when the similarity to the talk before the release matches the kind of confusion that comes from a target that can't get what they want and are throwing up smokescreens to try to shake an offer loose.

I'm sure the SEC would love to have Oklahoma and that we feel pretty confident that we can get just Oklahoma and that is why the OU inner circle apparently continues to release the "We prefer the Big 10 stuff". It didn't really help Missouri and they were qualified for the Big 10 and I don't think it will help OU, especially since they are not qualified for the Big 10. So I think we let them stew until they say "Okay, just take us."
Oklahoma is definitely the most workable for the SEC. My point was in comparison to what we discussed the other day regarding Missouri. It doesn't take many noisy school faculty/alumni to create a similar appearance of discord toward the SEC.

I understand that. But remember what I said about our liberal faculty. They don't get the play in public forums down here that they would in Missouri because down here the donors are almost predominantly conservative. Oklahoman's are almost predominantly conservative as are the majority of their donors. I have no doubt but what their liberal faculty would howl, but they would be shouting into a vacuum that doesn't exist in Missouri where you border Illinois and have historical differences with Kansas. Maybe the Kansas City Star would run some anti OU/SEC articles, especially since their sports section has done so in the past both with OU and Missouri, but OU doesn't draw ratings in the Chicago Tribune. So the stress on Oklahoma would be limited to Kansas most likely. Your stress came from Chicago, Kansas City, and from within and therein lies the problem of being the truest border state in the Union. Libs at our schools can scream their heads off and all it will accomplish is a behind the scenes move by our donors to get them moved. Move a couple and the rest keep their comments inside their classrooms. I just wish we cared more about that. But apparently if they aren't seen that is enough for the donors.
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(05-03-2017 11:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 11:13 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 09:53 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(05-02-2017 11:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I disagree about Oklahoma. It's an overwhelming Red State, a football first school, and a natural fit in the SEC. I have no doubt but what Boren and some of the faculty are quite liberal, but the fan base would not be nearly as divided. And as you said the other night we all have liberal faculty. The question is how does the money lean and in Oklahoma they lean toward conservatism. God and country are still popular. With Texas I have no reason at all to quibble with you and Kansas is not a cultural fit and would not be easily assimilated no matter how long the time frame.

I have considered the combination of T.C.U. and Oklahoma and if we had to take Oklahoma State then perhaps West Virginia starts making some sense. But that's a lot of mouths to feed.

Overwhelming red state but applied to move to the blue west coast. OU has the most options and most divided fan base on where the school should land.

Well, at the time it was any port in a storm so I'm not how sure whether that tells us much about anything but their desperation at the time. They approached us too with the same package deal and got the same response. And for all of the we will go to the Big 10 stuff from their fans,and Boren's alleged comments, there has been nothing in the offing there. To me, that really explains the push for expansion that Boren made for the Big 12. If he was hot for the Big 10 and they had an offer do you think for a moment OU would still be there? The OU administration is thrashing about with regards to all of this because their top choice hasn't responded and that could well be because their presidents are well aware that OU's standards do not meet theirs and therefore an answer will not be forthcoming. And because their other options refused to alleviate them of their political problem. Therefore the "let's make the best of it in the Big12" talk was their final option and not a precursor for future action. The latest iteration of "we don't have to leave with little brother" is quite telling and probably why Paul and some others in the press haven't been speaking of OSU like they did before.

I believe the simple truth about Oklahoma is that they thought that the SEC would take OSU if threatened with the Big 10. The SEC had not yet agreed upon Missouri at the time but were certain about A&M. When Boren demanded OSU be included there was literally no way we were going to give up A&M to double down in Oklahoma, especially when nobody at that time, especially the network, was ready for us to jump to 16. ESPN may well have had other ideas right then. It is then that they shopped the PAC and were rejected. That could have been sincere or yet another ploy to get us to agree.

If you've noticed the serious moves of schools to the SEC have usually not even been rumored until the final details have been worked out. Hell the SEC home office had the Missouri announcement ready for sometime prior to Mizzou's announcement and the programmer released it early. The confusion happens when the similarity to the talk before the release matches the kind of confusion that comes from a target that can't get what they want and are throwing up smokescreens to try to shake an offer loose.

I'm sure the SEC would love to have Oklahoma and that we feel pretty confident that we can get just Oklahoma and that is why the OU inner circle apparently continues to release the "We prefer the Big 10 stuff". It didn't really help Missouri and they were qualified for the Big 10 and I don't think it will help OU, especially since they are not qualified for the Big 10. So I think we let them stew until they say "Okay, just take us."
Oklahoma is definitely the most workable for the SEC. My point was in comparison to what we discussed the other day regarding Missouri. It doesn't take many noisy school faculty/alumni to create a similar appearance of discord toward the SEC.

I understand that. But remember what I said about our liberal faculty. They don't get the play in public forums down here that they would in Missouri because down here the donors are almost predominantly conservative. Oklahoman's are almost predominantly conservative as are the majority of their donors. I have no doubt but what their liberal faculty would howl, but they would be shouting into a vacuum that doesn't exist in Missouri where you border Illinois and have historical differences with Kansas. Maybe the Kansas City Star would run some anti OU/SEC articles, especially since their sports section has done so in the past both with OU and Missouri, but OU doesn't draw ratings in the Chicago Tribune. So the stress on Oklahoma would be limited to Kansas most likely. Your stress came from Chicago, Kansas City, and from within and therein lies the problem of being the truest border state in the Union. Libs at our schools can scream their heads off and all it will accomplish is a behind the scenes move by our donors to get them moved. Move a couple and the rest keep their comments inside their classrooms. I just wish we cared more about that. But apparently if they aren't seen that is enough for the donors.
I think being conservative is not enough in this case. Missouri is pretty conservative as well. I think the problem with OU and KU is the whole Southern history thing. Kansas and Missouri still hate each other on many levels. Many on both sides are still fighting the civil war, as sad as that is. I think OU would work but I still think trouble lies beneath.
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(05-03-2017 07:13 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
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(05-03-2017 11:13 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
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(05-03-2017 02:41 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Overwhelming red state but applied to move to the blue west coast. OU has the most options and most divided fan base on where the school should land.

Well, at the time it was any port in a storm so I'm not how sure whether that tells us much about anything but their desperation at the time. They approached us too with the same package deal and got the same response. And for all of the we will go to the Big 10 stuff from their fans,and Boren's alleged comments, there has been nothing in the offing there. To me, that really explains the push for expansion that Boren made for the Big 12. If he was hot for the Big 10 and they had an offer do you think for a moment OU would still be there? The OU administration is thrashing about with regards to all of this because their top choice hasn't responded and that could well be because their presidents are well aware that OU's standards do not meet theirs and therefore an answer will not be forthcoming. And because their other options refused to alleviate them of their political problem. Therefore the "let's make the best of it in the Big12" talk was their final option and not a precursor for future action. The latest iteration of "we don't have to leave with little brother" is quite telling and probably why Paul and some others in the press haven't been speaking of OSU like they did before.

I believe the simple truth about Oklahoma is that they thought that the SEC would take OSU if threatened with the Big 10. The SEC had not yet agreed upon Missouri at the time but were certain about A&M. When Boren demanded OSU be included there was literally no way we were going to give up A&M to double down in Oklahoma, especially when nobody at that time, especially the network, was ready for us to jump to 16. ESPN may well have had other ideas right then. It is then that they shopped the PAC and were rejected. That could have been sincere or yet another ploy to get us to agree.

If you've noticed the serious moves of schools to the SEC have usually not even been rumored until the final details have been worked out. Hell the SEC home office had the Missouri announcement ready for sometime prior to Mizzou's announcement and the programmer released it early. The confusion happens when the similarity to the talk before the release matches the kind of confusion that comes from a target that can't get what they want and are throwing up smokescreens to try to shake an offer loose.

I'm sure the SEC would love to have Oklahoma and that we feel pretty confident that we can get just Oklahoma and that is why the OU inner circle apparently continues to release the "We prefer the Big 10 stuff". It didn't really help Missouri and they were qualified for the Big 10 and I don't think it will help OU, especially since they are not qualified for the Big 10. So I think we let them stew until they say "Okay, just take us."
Oklahoma is definitely the most workable for the SEC. My point was in comparison to what we discussed the other day regarding Missouri. It doesn't take many noisy school faculty/alumni to create a similar appearance of discord toward the SEC.

I understand that. But remember what I said about our liberal faculty. They don't get the play in public forums down here that they would in Missouri because down here the donors are almost predominantly conservative. Oklahoman's are almost predominantly conservative as are the majority of their donors. I have no doubt but what their liberal faculty would howl, but they would be shouting into a vacuum that doesn't exist in Missouri where you border Illinois and have historical differences with Kansas. Maybe the Kansas City Star would run some anti OU/SEC articles, especially since their sports section has done so in the past both with OU and Missouri, but OU doesn't draw ratings in the Chicago Tribune. So the stress on Oklahoma would be limited to Kansas most likely. Your stress came from Chicago, Kansas City, and from within and therein lies the problem of being the truest border state in the Union. Libs at our schools can scream their heads off and all it will accomplish is a behind the scenes move by our donors to get them moved. Move a couple and the rest keep their comments inside their classrooms. I just wish we cared more about that. But apparently if they aren't seen that is enough for the donors.
I think being conservative is not enough in this case. Missouri is pretty conservative as well. I think the problem with OU and KU is the whole Southern history thing. Kansas and Missouri still hate each other on many levels. Many on both sides are still fighting the civil war, as sad as that is. I think OU would work but I still think trouble lies beneath.

Well, maybe things will break another way.
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(05-03-2017 11:13 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 09:53 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Well, at the time it was any port in a storm so I'm not how sure whether that tells us much about anything but their desperation at the time. They approached us too with the same package deal and got the same response. And for all of the we will go to the Big 10 stuff from their fans,and Boren's alleged comments, there has been nothing in the offing there. To me, that really explains the push for expansion that Boren made for the Big 12. If he was hot for the Big 10 and they had an offer do you think for a moment OU would still be there? The OU administration is thrashing about with regards to all of this because their top choice hasn't responded and that could well be because their presidents are well aware that OU's standards do not meet theirs and therefore an answer will not be forthcoming. And because their other options refused to alleviate them of their political problem. Therefore the "let's make the best of it in the Big12" talk was their final option and not a precursor for future action. The latest iteration of "we don't have to leave with little brother" is quite telling and probably why Paul and some others in the press haven't been speaking of OSU like they did before.

I believe the simple truth about Oklahoma is that they thought that the SEC would take OSU if threatened with the Big 10. The SEC had not yet agreed upon Missouri at the time but were certain about A&M. When Boren demanded OSU be included there was literally no way we were going to give up A&M to double down in Oklahoma, especially when nobody at that time, especially the network, was ready for us to jump to 16. ESPN may well have had other ideas right then. It is then that they shopped the PAC and were rejected. That could have been sincere or yet another ploy to get us to agree.

If you've noticed the serious moves of schools to the SEC have usually not even been rumored until the final details have been worked out. Hell the SEC home office had the Missouri announcement ready for sometime prior to Mizzou's announcement and the programmer released it early. The confusion happens when the similarity to the talk before the release matches the kind of confusion that comes from a target that can't get what they want and are throwing up smokescreens to try to shake an offer loose.

I'm sure the SEC would love to have Oklahoma and that we feel pretty confident that we can get just Oklahoma and that is why the OU inner circle apparently continues to release the "We prefer the Big 10 stuff". It didn't really help Missouri and they were qualified for the Big 10 and I don't think it will help OU, especially since they are not qualified for the Big 10. So I think we let them stew until they say "Okay, just take us."
Oklahoma is definitely the most workable for the SEC. My point was in comparison to what we discussed the other day regarding Missouri. It doesn't take many noisy school faculty/alumni to create a similar appearance of discord toward the SEC.

I understand that. But remember what I said about our liberal faculty. They don't get the play in public forums down here that they would in Missouri because down here the donors are almost predominantly conservative. Oklahoman's are almost predominantly conservative as are the majority of their donors. I have no doubt but what their liberal faculty would howl, but they would be shouting into a vacuum that doesn't exist in Missouri where you border Illinois and have historical differences with Kansas. Maybe the Kansas City Star would run some anti OU/SEC articles, especially since their sports section has done so in the past both with OU and Missouri, but OU doesn't draw ratings in the Chicago Tribune. So the stress on Oklahoma would be limited to Kansas most likely. Your stress came from Chicago, Kansas City, and from within and therein lies the problem of being the truest border state in the Union. Libs at our schools can scream their heads off and all it will accomplish is a behind the scenes move by our donors to get them moved. Move a couple and the rest keep their comments inside their classrooms. I just wish we cared more about that. But apparently if they aren't seen that is enough for the donors.
I think being conservative is not enough in this case. Missouri is pretty conservative as well. I think the problem with OU and KU is the whole Southern history thing. Kansas and Missouri still hate each other on many levels. Many on both sides are still fighting the civil war, as sad as that is. I think OU would work but I still think trouble lies beneath.

Well, maybe things will break another way.
I hope so, because adding the Sooners to the SEC would be epic.
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