(05-02-2017 11:58 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 07:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 06:29 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 02:53 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  The worst thing we (we being the conference as well as UC fans) can do is refer to ourselves as G5. A G5 school, G5 program, smaller school. While referring to schools like Wake, Purdue, NW, Vandy, WSU, PITT, etc as P5 programs.

We are a P5 program and school, stuck in a tweener conference. If anyone is gonna believe that, it's gotta start with us.

There's a handful of blueblood programs. Then us mixed with a BUNCH of schools in the middle, and then like Tulane and Wake Forest and a handful of others crawling on the bottom. Just because ESPN created a term based on TV contracts, doesn't mean we have to use it, or live by it. Coach Fickell sure as sh!t isn't living by it.

As for the conference putting this out, I don't mind it. It keeps the conversation going, and that can't hurt.

Problem is that it's more than just a term. The designation is the difference between good bowl games and crap, and big media rights money and crap.

Don't care what you call yourself, when your league champ could go 12-1 and the best they can do is play in a FRISCO (TX) Bowl versus the Sunbelt on a weekday afternoon before Christmas the world fills in its own designations as appropriate.

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...34743.aspx

FIFY... The "Miami Beach Bowl" has been sold and is being relocated to a 20K soccer stadium in Frisco, TX...

Lol. Are you serious? That was Aresco's big conference bowl game he helped create. Did you know he used to be a big influential TV executive?

Well we always have Boca. Good Lord...

(05-02-2017 04:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 11:58 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 07:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 06:29 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 02:53 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  The worst thing we (we being the conference as well as UC fans) can do is refer to ourselves as G5. A G5 school, G5 program, smaller school. While referring to schools like Wake, Purdue, NW, Vandy, WSU, PITT, etc as P5 programs.

We are a P5 program and school, stuck in a tweener conference. If anyone is gonna believe that, it's gotta start with us.

There's a handful of blueblood programs. Then us mixed with a BUNCH of schools in the middle, and then like Tulane and Wake Forest and a handful of others crawling on the bottom. Just because ESPN created a term based on TV contracts, doesn't mean we have to use it, or live by it. Coach Fickell sure as sh!t isn't living by it.

As for the conference putting this out, I don't mind it. It keeps the conversation going, and that can't hurt.

Problem is that it's more than just a term. The designation is the difference between good bowl games and crap, and big media rights money and crap.

Don't care what you call yourself, when your league champ could go 12-1 and the best they can do is play in a FRISCO (TX) Bowl versus the Sunbelt on a weekday afternoon before Christmas the world fills in its own designations as appropriate.

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...34743.aspx

FIFY... The "Miami Beach Bowl" has been sold and is being relocated to a 20K soccer stadium in Frisco, TX...

Lol. Are you serious? That was Aresco's big conference bowl game he helped create. Did you know he used to be a big influential TV executive?

Well we always have Boca. Good Lord...

Sadly, yes...
http://csnbbs.com/thread-816088.html
or
http://csnbbs.com/thread-816086.html

Three and done for the Miami Beach Bowl.

The only football game played at Marlins Park, on the ground the Orange Bowl once sat — or, if you prefer, the bowl game played on a baseball field and named for a city smaller than the city in which it actually was played — has been sold by the American Athletic Conference to ESPN Events.

The game will leave the state, but take the AAC. On the opponent side, the rotation of conferences that includes FIU and FAU’s Conference USA likely will remain.

Only three Miami Beach Bowls were played. ESPN broadcast each. The AAC didn’t want to get into financial specifics of the game.

ESPN spokesman Derek Volner said the network wouldn’t elaborate on all its reasons for moving the game. A possible landing spot is Frisco, Texas, part of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, although ESPN already owns Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Bowl in that metropolitan area.

How do you know you are minor league?

1. If you get less than a Catholic Basketball only conference.
2. You sell your made up bowl from a baseball stadium to a soccer pitch. How low can you go?
3. If you have to tell others you are better than C-USA and the MAC. Even if you are right it does not mean crap.

(05-02-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Three and done for the Miami Beach Bowl.

The only football game played at Marlins Park, on the ground the Orange Bowl once sat — or, if you prefer, the bowl game played on a baseball field and named for a city smaller than the city in which it actually was played — has been sold by the American Athletic Conference to ESPN Events.

The game will leave the state, but take the AAC. On the opponent side, the rotation of conferences that includes FIU and FAU’s Conference USA likely will remain.

Only three Miami Beach Bowls were played. ESPN broadcast each. The AAC didn’t want to get into financial specifics of the game.

ESPN spokesman Derek Volner said the network wouldn’t elaborate on all its reasons for moving the game. A possible landing spot is Frisco, Texas, part of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, although ESPN already owns Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Bowl in that metropolitan area.

Let's be honest...
1) It was a terrible physical venue for the game. The fashion they had to shoe-horn the field into the baseball dimensions of that stadium was truly awkward. I generally do not prefer football games in baseball specific stadiums, but Marlins Park was worse than most. They had the field situated so that the left-infield stands were well behind the end of the end-zone, meaning that the left-outfield and outfield seats were truly unusable and most of the right-infield seats were far away (due to the bend in the baseball stands) from the field and pointed in the wrong direction. So only a very small number of seats were actually feasible to watch the game.

2) It was at a terrible time. The game was always one of the very first bowl games, meaning it was tough to scramble to get tickets and hotels lined up. It was played in the afternoon...on a mid-week day...meaning it was hard to get time to watch.

3) The match-ups were not compelling...outside of the first game. The first game was Memphis and BYU and ended in a huge brawl. But even there, it was billed by the conference as the bowl for "the highest ranked AAC team that didn't go to a NYD Bowl," meaning that nobody really "WANTED" to be there. And then, when BYU didn't re-up, it was relegated to a CUSA or Sunbelt team as the opponent. The original dream was a Pac12 match-up...which was never happening.

All of these things combined to make it a really poorly attended and watched game. Really, the Boca and even the Saint Pete have more going for them. Boca is at least played in a FB stadium near the beach. Saint Pete is usually a better time...though a wretched stadium.

The real thing in this is the move to the West... I think we rejoiced at the idea of the BE being an "eastern" conference as opposed to the more Midwestern Metro and CUSA were. But this is not even a "Midwestern" conference anymore...it feels much more of a "Western Conference" to me these days. And this is now a truly "Western" bowl game, leaving us two bowls in Florida-- Boca and Saint Pete, one bowl in Maryland--the Military, one bowl in Alabama--Birmingham, and then the rest, I think, are all west of the Mississippi River.

EDIT: I did forget the "Cure Bowl" which is slated to be played in Orlando...at the Citrus Bowl complex, I think. So, 3 Florida Bowls, which does help somewhat.

Like most Bearcat fans, I certainly have enjoyed the new enthusiasm that CLF has brought to the team and for the fans. His recruiting success has been exciting though most of those players won't see the field in 2017.

The sad case of the AAC is that we are simply playing the year for nothing. Sure if we shock the world and go undefeated it will be a miracle season with a big New Years bowl. But in all likelihood this crap league has us playing for no prize. The eventual league champ is not even guaranteed the best bowl bid against a strong P5 opponent. At least in the CUSA days, we all knew that the league champ was headed to the Liberty Bowl. Heck, the FCS teams at least have the hope of making the playoffs. Sadly, we have nothing defined.

I'll be at every home game and a couple on the road, but other than the 60 minutes of game time there isn't much to hope for. Truly our best travel experience for major college football will be the UM game in September. No wonder my ire still burns strong for the Board of Trustees that let Williams (a short timer) and Ono (the self promoter) not find a solution to the irreparable harm done to the University. Most agree on this board it will continue to get worse. Hopefully our new Prez is more solution determined than the last two circus acts.

(05-01-2017 12:32 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  

I'd like for you to propose an alternative. Count on the dysfunctional Big X (not XII) to make a decision?

I'd rather be in a conference that is sticking its chest out than feeling sorry for itself.

(05-02-2017 05:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Like most Bearcat fans, I certainly have enjoyed the new enthusiasm that CLF has brought to the team and for the fans. His recruiting success has been exciting though most of those players won't see the field in 2017.

The sad case of the AAC is that we are simply playing the year for nothing. Sure if we shock the world and go undefeated it will be a miracle season with a big New Years bowl. But in all likelihood this crap league has us playing for no prize. The eventual league champ is not even guaranteed the best bowl bid against a strong P5 opponent. At least in the CUSA days, we all knew that the league champ was headed to the Liberty Bowl. Heck, the FCS teams at least have the hope of making the playoffs. Sadly, we have nothing defined.

I'll be at every home game and a couple on the road, but other than the 60 minutes of game time there isn't much to hope for. Truly our best travel experience for major college football will be the UM game in September. No wonder my ire still burns strong for the Board of Trustees that let Williams (a short timer) and Ono (the self promoter) not find a solution to the irreparable harm done to the University. Most agree on this board it will continue to get worse. Hopefully our new Prez is more solution determined than the last two circus acts.

I posted awhile ago in some odd thread about Houston's run under Herman and how it has to be a two-year run--build upon year 1 and then enter year 2 highly ranked and with one or two blue chip games on the schedule. Since Herman was in his first year in 2015, it meant that he would almost certainly come back. With CLF, I think we can extend his staying for 4 or 5, since I truly believe that he's looking to kick ass here and wait for the job to open up I71. Houston had only one shot at that 2-year window; whereas UC might have a good 6 year window to string those two seasons together. What we need to do is start scheduling the blue chip games every year so that we could enter the season coming off a top 10 finish the prior year and then have a chance to beat an Oklahoma the way Houston did this year. Once it becomes apparent that CLF is the real deal, it'll be immeasurably harder to get a blue chip program to give us the game and risk the loss.

(05-02-2017 08:02 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 05:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Like most Bearcat fans, I certainly have enjoyed the new enthusiasm that CLF has brought to the team and for the fans. His recruiting success has been exciting though most of those players won't see the field in 2017.

The sad case of the AAC is that we are simply playing the year for nothing. Sure if we shock the world and go undefeated it will be a miracle season with a big New Years bowl. But in all likelihood this crap league has us playing for no prize. The eventual league champ is not even guaranteed the best bowl bid against a strong P5 opponent. At least in the CUSA days, we all knew that the league champ was headed to the Liberty Bowl. Heck, the FCS teams at least have the hope of making the playoffs. Sadly, we have nothing defined.

I'll be at every home game and a couple on the road, but other than the 60 minutes of game time there isn't much to hope for. Truly our best travel experience for major college football will be the UM game in September. No wonder my ire still burns strong for the Board of Trustees that let Williams (a short timer) and Ono (the self promoter) not find a solution to the irreparable harm done to the University. Most agree on this board it will continue to get worse. Hopefully our new Prez is more solution determined than the last two circus acts.

I posted awhile ago in some odd thread about Houston's run under Herman and how it has to be a two-year run--build upon year 1 and then enter year 2 highly ranked and with one or two blue chip games on the schedule. Since Herman was in his first year in 2015, it meant that he would almost certainly come back. With CLF, I think we can extend his staying for 4 or 5, since I truly believe that he's looking to kick ass here and wait for the job to open up I71. Houston had only one shot at that 2-year window; whereas UC might have a good 6 year window to string those two seasons together. What we need to do is start scheduling the blue chip games every year so that we could enter the season coming off a top 10 finish the prior year and then have a chance to beat an Oklahoma the way Houston did this year. Once it becomes apparent that CLF is the real deal, it'll be immeasurably harder to get a blue chip program to give us the game and risk the loss.

If he wins, 3 years tops.
If not, 5 years. Then MAC time.

(05-02-2017 05:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Three and done for the Miami Beach Bowl.

The only football game played at Marlins Park, on the ground the Orange Bowl once sat — or, if you prefer, the bowl game played on a baseball field and named for a city smaller than the city in which it actually was played — has been sold by the American Athletic Conference to ESPN Events.

The game will leave the state, but take the AAC. On the opponent side, the rotation of conferences that includes FIU and FAU’s Conference USA likely will remain.

Only three Miami Beach Bowls were played. ESPN broadcast each. The AAC didn’t want to get into financial specifics of the game.

ESPN spokesman Derek Volner said the network wouldn’t elaborate on all its reasons for moving the game. A possible landing spot is Frisco, Texas, part of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, although ESPN already owns Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Bowl in that metropolitan area.

Let's be honest...
1) It was a terrible physical venue for the game. The fashion they had to shoe-horn the field into the baseball dimensions of that stadium was truly awkward. I generally do not prefer football games in baseball specific stadiums, but Marlins Park was worse than most. They had the field situated so that the left-infield stands were well behind the end of the end-zone, meaning that the left-outfield and outfield seats were truly unusable and most of the right-infield seats were far away (due to the bend in the baseball stands) from the field and pointed in the wrong direction. So only a very small number of seats were actually feasible to watch the game.

2) It was at a terrible time. The game was always one of the very first bowl games, meaning it was tough to scramble to get tickets and hotels lined up. It was played in the afternoon...on a mid-week day...meaning it was hard to get time to watch.

3) The match-ups were not compelling...outside of the first game. The first game was Memphis and BYU and ended in a huge brawl. But even there, it was billed by the conference as the bowl for "the highest ranked AAC team that didn't go to a NYD Bowl," meaning that nobody really "WANTED" to be there. And then, when BYU didn't re-up, it was relegated to a CUSA or Sunbelt team as the opponent. The original dream was a Pac12 match-up...which was never happening.

All of these things combined to make it a really poorly attended and watched game. Really, the Boca and even the Saint Pete have more going for them. Boca is at least played in a FB stadium near the beach. Saint Pete is usually a better time...though a wretched stadium.

The real thing in this is the move to the West... I think we rejoiced at the idea of the BE being an "eastern" conference as opposed to the more Midwestern Metro and CUSA were. But this is not even a "Midwestern" conference anymore...it feels much more of a "Western Conference" to me these days. And this is now a truly "Western" bowl game, leaving us two bowls in Florida-- Boca and Saint Pete, one bowl in Maryland--the Military, one bowl in Alabama--Birmingham, and then the rest, I think, are all west of the Mississippi River.

EDIT: I did forget the "Cure Bowl" which is slated to be played in Orlando...at the Citrus Bowl complex, I think. So, 3 Florida Bowls, which does help somewhat.

Definitely a western conference, even more so now that Wichita State has been added to the league. All indications are that the AAC HQ will be moving from Providence to suburban Dallas in the next couple of years when the lease is up.

The city of Cincinnati's geographic location has always been an issue for us conference wise. We are technically in the Midwest but the B10 is unattainable for many reasons. We border SEC country, but that is also unattainable. Our best fit is in the ACC, but they are waiting for Notre Dame to go all in before inviting anyone else (which may never happen). Like Richard Gere's character in the movie "An Officer and a Gentleman" we got nowhere else to go.

(05-03-2017 08:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 05:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 05:16 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Three and done for the Miami Beach Bowl.

The only football game played at Marlins Park, on the ground the Orange Bowl once sat — or, if you prefer, the bowl game played on a baseball field and named for a city smaller than the city in which it actually was played — has been sold by the American Athletic Conference to ESPN Events.

The game will leave the state, but take the AAC. On the opponent side, the rotation of conferences that includes FIU and FAU’s Conference USA likely will remain.

Only three Miami Beach Bowls were played. ESPN broadcast each. The AAC didn’t want to get into financial specifics of the game.

ESPN spokesman Derek Volner said the network wouldn’t elaborate on all its reasons for moving the game. A possible landing spot is Frisco, Texas, part of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, although ESPN already owns Zaxby’s Heart of Dallas Bowl in that metropolitan area.

Let's be honest...
1) It was a terrible physical venue for the game. The fashion they had to shoe-horn the field into the baseball dimensions of that stadium was truly awkward. I generally do not prefer football games in baseball specific stadiums, but Marlins Park was worse than most. They had the field situated so that the left-infield stands were well behind the end of the end-zone, meaning that the left-outfield and outfield seats were truly unusable and most of the right-infield seats were far away (due to the bend in the baseball stands) from the field and pointed in the wrong direction. So only a very small number of seats were actually feasible to watch the game.

2) It was at a terrible time. The game was always one of the very first bowl games, meaning it was tough to scramble to get tickets and hotels lined up. It was played in the afternoon...on a mid-week day...meaning it was hard to get time to watch.

3) The match-ups were not compelling...outside of the first game. The first game was Memphis and BYU and ended in a huge brawl. But even there, it was billed by the conference as the bowl for "the highest ranked AAC team that didn't go to a NYD Bowl," meaning that nobody really "WANTED" to be there. And then, when BYU didn't re-up, it was relegated to a CUSA or Sunbelt team as the opponent. The original dream was a Pac12 match-up...which was never happening.

All of these things combined to make it a really poorly attended and watched game. Really, the Boca and even the Saint Pete have more going for them. Boca is at least played in a FB stadium near the beach. Saint Pete is usually a better time...though a wretched stadium.

The real thing in this is the move to the West... I think we rejoiced at the idea of the BE being an "eastern" conference as opposed to the more Midwestern Metro and CUSA were. But this is not even a "Midwestern" conference anymore...it feels much more of a "Western Conference" to me these days. And this is now a truly "Western" bowl game, leaving us two bowls in Florida-- Boca and Saint Pete, one bowl in Maryland--the Military, one bowl in Alabama--Birmingham, and then the rest, I think, are all west of the Mississippi River.

EDIT: I did forget the "Cure Bowl" which is slated to be played in Orlando...at the Citrus Bowl complex, I think. So, 3 Florida Bowls, which does help somewhat.

Definitely a western conference, even more so now that Wichita State has been added to the league. All indications are that the AAC HQ will be moving from Providence to suburban Dallas in the next couple of years when the lease is up.

The city of Cincinnati's geographic location has always been an issue for us conference wise. We are technically in the Midwest but the B10 is unattainable for many reasons. We border SEC country, but that is also unattainable. Our best fit is in the ACC, but they are waiting for Notre Dame to go all in before inviting anyone else (which may never happen). Like Richard Gere's character in the movie "An Officer and a Gentleman" we got nowhere else to go.

I agree with the "Nowhere else to go" and I even agree with the "Let's make the best of it..." lines of thought.

When I look at the maps with AAC members on it, what strikes me the most is that it is a donut: we've got schools all around the edges, but there is only one member school "in the middle"--Memphis. Even UC is a geographical outlier in that we're holding down the northern border of the conference.

I'm not saying anything can or should be done about the situation, but the American is largely hollow in our very composition. That is a huge challenge in trying to form a "conference identity."

And yeah...I think the Conference offices will be moving to the DFW area when the lease in Providence is up. Granted Providence makes no sense after the C7 schools left. Other potential locations have been bantered about, but DFW seems to be the most likely destination.

(05-02-2017 05:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Like most Bearcat fans, I certainly have enjoyed the new enthusiasm that CLF has brought to the team and for the fans. His recruiting success has been exciting though most of those players won't see the field in 2017.

The sad case of the AAC is that we are simply playing the year for nothing. Sure if we shock the world and go undefeated it will be a miracle season with a big New Years bowl. But in all likelihood this crap league has us playing for no prize. The eventual league champ is not even guaranteed the best bowl bid against a strong P5 opponent. At least in the CUSA days, we all knew that the league champ was headed to the Liberty Bowl. Heck, the FCS teams at least have the hope of making the playoffs. Sadly, we have nothing defined.

I'll be at every home game and a couple on the road, but other than the 60 minutes of game time there isn't much to hope for. Truly our best travel experience for major college football will be the UM game in September. No wonder my ire still burns strong for the Board of Trustees that let Williams (a short timer) and Ono (the self promoter) not find a solution to the irreparable harm done to the University. Most agree on this board it will continue to get worse. Hopefully our new Prez is more solution determined than the last two circus acts.

Rag, i love ya, but the idea that UC not getting into a major conference was a lack of effort or determination on Ono's part is one of your more insane theories. UC's failures to put itself where it needed to be were way before Ono. They can when UC never really capitalized on the Dantonio, Kelly boom to modernize Nipper and commit to the athletic depart as a whole. They came as despite those successes UC was cutting scholarships in non revenue sports and not fully funding the department. They came as programs like Louisville (who beat us out for the most recent available Power 5 spot) was investing in an amazing downtown basketball arena, had modernized Papa Johns twice and was also funding it's non-revenue sports. Ono was so far behind the eight ball when he took over and though UC had plenty to sell against most the field out there...there were simply programs too far ahead to pass. Ono couldn't make the big 12 decide to expand, and nobody else wanted to. I have no doubt Ono knocked on every door and pushed incredibly hard. He got the ball rolling on AD projects and started funding the non-revenue sports gain. Sometimes it's just that the other conferences don't see the benefit of adding another team at that time... Ono left UC in a far better spot as far as commitment to athletics than when he arrived...he helped changed the attitude and make athletics a bigger part of the university's vision... those efforts may yet pay off, but the fact that they haven't yet wasn't his failing.

(05-03-2017 11:27 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 05:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Like most Bearcat fans, I certainly have enjoyed the new enthusiasm that CLF has brought to the team and for the fans. His recruiting success has been exciting though most of those players won't see the field in 2017.

The sad case of the AAC is that we are simply playing the year for nothing. Sure if we shock the world and go undefeated it will be a miracle season with a big New Years bowl. But in all likelihood this crap league has us playing for no prize. The eventual league champ is not even guaranteed the best bowl bid against a strong P5 opponent. At least in the CUSA days, we all knew that the league champ was headed to the Liberty Bowl. Heck, the FCS teams at least have the hope of making the playoffs. Sadly, we have nothing defined.

I'll be at every home game and a couple on the road, but other than the 60 minutes of game time there isn't much to hope for. Truly our best travel experience for major college football will be the UM game in September. No wonder my ire still burns strong for the Board of Trustees that let Williams (a short timer) and Ono (the self promoter) not find a solution to the irreparable harm done to the University. Most agree on this board it will continue to get worse. Hopefully our new Prez is more solution determined than the last two circus acts.

Rag, i love ya, but the idea that UC not getting into a major conference was a lack of effort or determination on Ono's part is one of your more insane theories. UC's failures to put itself where it needed to be were way before Ono. They can when UC never really capitalized on the Dantonio, Kelly boom to modernize Nipper and commit to the athletic depart as a whole. They came as despite those successes UC was cutting scholarships in non revenue sports and not fully funding the department. They came as programs like Louisville (who beat us out for the most recent available Power 5 spot) was investing in an amazing downtown basketball arena, had modernized Papa Johns twice and was also funding it's non-revenue sports. Ono was so far behind the eight ball when he took over and though UC had plenty to sell against most the field out there...there were simply programs too far ahead to pass. Ono couldn't make the big 12 decide to expand, and nobody else wanted to. I have no doubt Ono knocked on every door and pushed incredibly hard. He got the ball rolling on AD projects and started funding the non-revenue sports gain. Sometimes it's just that the other conferences don't see the benefit of adding another team at that time... Ono left UC in a far better spot as far as commitment to athletics than when he arrived...he helped changed the attitude and make athletics a bigger part of the university's vision... those efforts may yet pay off, but the fact that they haven't yet wasn't his failing.

Are you suggesting its the Russians fault?

The one thing in your diatribe above that is accurate "Ono couldn't. Ono left."

Steger had far less and made it happen. Chancellor Nordenberg had far less and made it happen. Chancellor Boschini had far less and made it happen. Shall I go on....even up two months ago when President Bardo who had less and made it happen.

All of these University leaders bettered their institutions' athletic positioning thus generating millions more in TV revenue, alum support, ticket sales, and merchandising. Ono couldn't.

I can't believe you actually typed, "Ono left UC in a far better spot as far as commitment to athletics than when he arrived." Have you read this thread? I guess you prefer Frisco, Texas.

Is that where the Frisco burger came from? Used to love those at Hardy's after hours.....mmmmm.